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| 14:32:42 | <wizards> | inb4 "Thanks, we know about Citizen News" |
| 14:56:22 | <@OrIdow6> | We do it because it's effective |
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| 15:24:04 | <HP_Archivist> | Downloading Bandcamp albums in batch: Is there any way to download *all* available file formats from a given album at once vs manually one-by-one? |
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| 15:42:22 | <@OrIdow6> | Latest argument for cryptocurrency: everyone's finances *should* be public so people can base their personal worth on that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29767911 |
| 15:42:35 | <@OrIdow6> | So barring this Hackint problem, how's Matrix working for you Sanqui? |
| 15:43:50 | <Sanqui> | oh, the bridge is down right now? that's sad |
| 15:45:07 | <@OrIdow6> | Yeah |
| 15:45:10 | <@OrIdow6> | Notice -Global- [Network Notice] hexa- - Sorry, the matrix bridging is currently broken and until we have some time to dig into that I've disabled the services, as messages aren't being forwarded currently. |
| 15:45:24 | <@OrIdow6> | Sorry for the ping h e x a |
| 15:45:25 | <Sanqui> | OrIdow6: matrix is OK. I'm not happy with all the technical decisions made in the project, but I do believe it is heading in the right direction, and since it is our best shot we've got at a modern decentralized chat protocol (I hope I don't need to explain what IRC is missing in this day and age), I'm going to continue supporting it |
| 15:52:02 | <@OrIdow6> | Hm |
| 15:54:10 | <Sanqui> | even just this small thing: it's honestly wild how much the conversational dynamic changes when typing notifications aren't present. I'm actively unsure whether to wait for your thoughts, or freely elaborate |
| 15:55:58 | <Sanqui> | I understand this can be subjective, and I do believe it should be possible to turn them off, but broadly speaking, the majority of people benefit from typing notifications, and conversations flow better with them |
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| 16:01:34 | <@OrIdow6> | On Matrix: Bridges do look nice, so I may look into that as I do dislike having to have 4 chats windows open all the time; "OrIdow6" will probably stay here in my IRC client, though, as barring rare occasions I only use IRC with this identity |
| 16:01:55 | <@OrIdow6> | Sorry for that, that was in good part my leaving an ambiguous message |
| 16:03:16 | <@OrIdow6> | Changing the dynamic I'll agree with; yesterday I learned via a changelog that the Telegram client I'd been using hadn't been sending "typing" messages previously, and now I'm sort of primed to reinterpret conversations I've had on there |
| 16:04:49 | <Sanqui> | Yeah, the bridges are nice. Unfortunately the other major IMs I use heavily are Telegram and Discord and I'm not too confident in the bridges keeping up with all the features in development |
| 16:05:26 | <Sanqui> | especially Telegram's mobile client is going to be hard to beat |
| 16:05:32 | <Sanqui> | but I have some semblance of hope |
| 16:06:03 | <@OrIdow6> | Discord I've heard too many horror stories about 3p clients being banned to ever use them myself |
| 16:06:19 | <@OrIdow6> | I mean, there's a bunch of near-sui generis stuff in Telegram |
| 16:06:44 | <@OrIdow6> | Stickers (though those are becoming more common) and those games that people play (bowling, darts are the ones I keep seeing) come to mind |
| 16:07:00 | <Sanqui> | it's true, the account I was using for my Discord archiver (discard) got banned at one point too. I'll be doing a deep dive into writing an archiver and ban evasion for my thesis |
| 16:07:48 | <Sanqui> | Telegram features are seldom true innovations, but they do tend to land pretty polished. Stickers were inspired by LINE, I think. Dunno about the games, but both ICQ and MSN had games back in the 2000s. |
| 16:08:10 | <Sanqui> | Stickers are quite important for conversations, but Matrix supports them to some extent |
| 16:08:15 | <@OrIdow6> | I don't know how the games technically work, but I can imagine that would be hard with a bridge |
| 16:08:17 | <Sanqui> | the sticker/animation games, I can live without |
| 16:08:31 | <@OrIdow6> | Does it let you select stickers or just see them? |
| 16:09:30 | <Sanqui> | There is some method for using stickers, but I haven't tried it yet. It's implemented via a plugin like system |
| 16:10:33 | <Sanqui> | And there is a proposal for first class support, apparently: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/blob/travis/msc/custom-stickers/proposals/1951-custom-emoji-and-stickers.md |
| 16:11:24 | <Sanqui> | so in Element there's straight up a sticker button (which I have glossed over forever) |
| 16:11:42 | <Sanqui> | It's pretty straight-forward to enable and select some sticker packs |
| 16:11:58 | <Sanqui> | and I know for a certain that somebody implemented a Telegram-to-Matrix converter for sticker packs |
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