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01:54:26<@JAA>An online store here with the tagline 'smart shopping' fucked up their pricing and is selling an Ultrastar drive at less than half the normal price. lol
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02:20:34<Jake>very 'smart' of them, hah
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03:00:53<@JAA>On another note, if anyone has experiences with Toshiba Enterprise Capacity drives, I'd like to hear about that.
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03:11:12<systwi>Is the Ultrastar a Hitachi one?
03:11:36<@JAA>Well, WD these days.
03:12:08<@JAA>Damn, that sale was over a decade ago. Time sure flies...
03:12:12<systwi>Right, just as long as it's not a Toshiba disk. IIRC IBM also made Ultrastar disks, also junk.
03:13:14<systwi>At my work we purchased 20 new 10TB Toshiba disks, only 2 out of the 20 actually worked.
03:13:18<@JAA>I mean, it's pretty much all the same tech nowadays, isn't it? When WD bought HGST from Hitachi, they had to share everything with Toshiba.
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03:14:00<@JAA>Or rather, they were forced to sell the 3.5" division to Toshiba but were allowed to keep the tech for themselves or something like that. Never really looked up the exact details.
03:14:38<@JAA>And IBM Ultrastars were back in the late 90s...
03:16:00<@JAA>What model was that?
03:16:08<@JAA>The Toshiba duds, I mean.
03:16:28<systwi>I never did either. My impression is that Toshiba, for a period of time, made disks using HGST's previous design, presumably as per some business agreement. HGST was bought by WD and now Toshiba is left to design their own disks for once. :P
03:16:35<systwi>(sorry, slow typist)
03:17:14<systwi>Yeah, now that I think about it, those IBM disks were the 90s. Maybe early 2000s? Time files.
03:17:50<systwi>I don't remember exactly, let me check.
03:18:09<systwi>^ regarding the dead Toshibas
03:20:25<systwi>Pretty sure the model for all of them was: MG06ACA10TE
03:20:51<@JAA>Yeah, introduced in 1994 by IBM, then bought by HGST in 2003, which was then bought by WD in 2011/12. Don't remember when WD stopped using the HGST branding, but it wasn't too long after that.
03:21:28<@JAA>Hmm
03:22:18<@JAA>That's air-filled but otherwise the same line as the ones I'm looking at.
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03:22:48<@JAA>MG07ACA14TE and MG08ACA16TE to be precise.
03:22:59<systwi>12 or so disks "spun up" to clicking/scraping, 3 didn't spin up at all, 3 _looked like_ they would work, but writing data to them was veeeeerrrrry slow, and they eventually clicked to death, and the remaining 2 appeared flawless.
03:23:24<systwi>Ah okay
03:23:31<@JAA>Rough shipping perhaps?
03:24:09<systwi>They were packed pretty well, from what I remember. We've gotten in far worse drives before that make the Toshibas look babied.
03:24:20<systwi>and those worked fine.
03:24:27<systwi>Granted, they were Hitachis.
03:24:32<@JAA>Mhm
03:24:51<@JAA>90% DOA rate surely isn't normal though. Doesn't sound like a very profitable business model. lol
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03:25:59<systwi>Thankfully, the remaining 18 were successfully replaced under warranty and we used them for temp disks, as in, 'who cares if this data gets lost'. :P
03:26:36<systwi>Yeah, seriously. You can only cut corners so much before it screws you.
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03:27:12<@JAA>Ah yes, /scratch :-)
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03:27:35<systwi>Absolutely :)
03:27:51<systwi>With that amount of reliability, what else are they good for?
03:27:59<systwi>s/amount/kind/
03:28:36<systwi>Re: "introduced in 1994 by IBM, then bought by HGST in 2003,..." I wonder where Toshiba fits into this.
03:28:41<@JAA>The replacements were fine?
03:29:06<@JAA>Well, Toshiba doesn't make Ultrastars.
03:29:22<systwi>It's always funny looking at the back of the drive, saying "ooh, a Hitachi disk!", flip it over and it's a Toshiba. Like eating an apple with a worm inside.
03:29:42<@JAA>But per Wikipedia: 'In March 2011, Hitachi agreed to sell its hard disk drive subsidiary, HGST, to Western Digital for a combination of cash and shares worth US$4.3 billion. Due to concerns of a duopoly of WD and Seagate Technology by the EU Commission and the Federal Trade Commission, Hitachi's 3.5" HDD division was sold to Toshiba. The transaction was completed in March 2012.'
03:29:45<systwi>Yes, the replacements ended up okay.
03:30:21<systwi>Right, but Toshiba disks, physically, share nearly the same design as their HGST, ahem, "inspiration."
03:30:30<systwi>Well, certain lines of them, I mean.
03:30:38<@JAA>'As part of the deal, Western Digital agreed to trade assets with Toshiba, with Toshiba receiving assets for the production of 3.5-inch hard drives (1, 2 and 3-platter drives produced in Shenzhen, China), in exchange for a Toshiba factory in Thailand for producing 2.5-inch drives (which had been inactive since the 2011 floods).'
03:31:30<systwi>Ooohhhh okay, gotcha.
03:31:48<@JAA>I seem to remember that they got access to HGST tech as well, but it's not mentioned in the couple Wiki articles I checked.
03:32:04<systwi>I could see Toshiba designers saying, "Wow, HGST really put that much quality into their components? Surely that's overkill."
03:32:29<systwi>I see
03:32:43<@JAA>But they did make a massive tech jump a few years ago and were the first to produce 9-platter drives IIRC.
03:33:59<systwi>If your recollection is correct, it sounds like how Seagate disks are. ST usually is the first to come out with groundbreaking storage technologies, but they're not made that well.
03:34:31<systwi>Granted, I'm somewhat biased, in favour of the disk MFGs that have screwed me the least. :P
03:34:41<@JAA>Here are all the gory details: https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/1110122/western-digital-matter
03:35:01<systwi>And yes, I know, it ultimately comes down to the models and not necessarily the manufacturers.
03:35:05<systwi>Taking a look
03:35:42<@JAA>The final order starts with 10 pages of definitions. Fun to read... :-P
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03:37:24<systwi>Admittedly, WD as of late seems to have been declining in quality too, and it kind of upsets me they purchased HGST and SanDisk.
03:39:14<systwi>But, anyway, in short, IMHO I wouldn't recommend getting those Toshiba disks, unless you plan on using them as scratch disks. Assuming those are the ones at half price, as long as they have a warranty, I'd say go for it, but I wouldn't trust them completely.
03:40:25<@JAA>No, different thing. The one with the pricing error (which would probably just get cancelled anyway) is a WD Ultrastar. The Toshibas are otherwise the cheapest per TB around here at the moment.
03:41:19<@JAA>Maybe I'll get some Seagate Exos. I've heard decent things about those.
03:41:43<systwi>Oooh, I'd spring on the Ultrastar, but yeah, like you said, it would probably be cancelled. Happened to me when I found a $16 pack of 10 new LTO-5 tapes.
03:41:46<@JAA>I'd really like the Toshiba drives to be good as well though so there's a bit more competition.
03:42:32<systwi>CONNER DISKS FOREVER!! :P
03:42:54<systwi>The Exos are pretty decent drives, and fast too.
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03:43:18<@JAA>It's half price of the normal price for that model, by the way. They aren't that much cheaper than the Toshibas or even the Exos.
03:44:18<@JAA>CHF 15.84/TB for the Ultrastar, 18.36/TB for one of the Toshibas.
03:44:42<@JAA>Ultrastar pricing is ... weird.
03:45:12<systwi>That is weird, Toshiba disks are seldom more expensive than their competitors.
03:45:50<systwi>What's the CHF/TB on the Exos?
03:45:52<@JAA>Then there's an external WD at 19/TB and an Exos at 19.07/TB.
03:46:32<systwi>Are the Exos and WD the same capacity/speed/warranty length?
03:47:01<@JAA>WD My Book vs Seagate Exos. It doesn't get much further apart than that. lol
03:47:10<systwi>Ahhh hahaha
03:47:40<systwi>Inside of those My Books are typically white-labelled drives, equivalent to WD Reds/Red Pros
03:48:24<@JAA>I'm still wondering about that equivalence (binning?), but yeah.
03:48:59<systwi>Or, equivalent to ST's Ironwolf disks.
03:49:16<systwi>By binning did you mean shucking?
03:49:54<@JAA>No, I mean that they produce Red Pros and throw the ones that don't turn out that great but are still usable into externals.
03:50:30<systwi>I would say, ST Exos = WD Gold, ST Ironwolf = WD Red(Pro)?
03:50:39<systwi>Ohh, possibly.
03:50:50<systwi>I would hope not.
03:51:05<systwi>Knowing the tech manufacturing industry I wouldn't put it past them.
03:51:21<@JAA>Yeah, something like that. Ironwolf Pro is also a thing, probably equivalent to Red Pro.
03:51:45<systwi>Didn't know about the Ironwolf Pros, but yeah, I'd say that too.
03:52:18<systwi>I would choose the Exos if I were you, especially being so close to the My Book pricing.
03:53:07<systwi>Furthermore, I can't recall if this is still applicable, but shucked WD disks will probably need that power modification done to use them outside of the enclosure.
03:54:28<@JAA>Depending on how modern your PSU is, yeah. I currently have to put them in an enclosure anyway for reasons, but yeah, I'd definitely pick Exos over My Book immediately, especially at almost exactly the same price.
03:54:43<systwi>Semi off-topic: It's a shame this technology never fully caught on: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Conner_Peripherals_%22Chinook%22_dual-actuator_drive.jpg
03:55:00<@JAA>Seagate was working on that again, weren't they?
03:55:18<@JAA>Minus the plexiglass top, which would be *awesome*.
03:55:41<systwi>I don't know about recently, but yeah, some ST drives had dual actuators.
03:56:07<@JAA>Exos 2X14 have those dual actuators.
03:56:13<@JAA>https://blog.seagate.com/enterprises/microsoft-nearly-doubles-iops-seagate-exos-mach2-dual-actuator/
03:57:38<systwi>You'd think with the typical "gamer setup," having see-through case panels and RGB buttplugs I mean components, drive MFGs would make their disks with plexiglass tops, and probably some RGB lights inside, too, because gamers.
03:58:41<@JAA>Seagate FireCuda Gaming Hub etc.
03:58:56<@JAA>But yeah, I'd love to have a disk with a plexiglass top.
03:58:57<systwi>Oooh, okay, so it did kind of catch on, albeit differently, but, cool!
04:00:25<systwi>Yes, I want to see my disk happily grinding away _without_ having to open it and, for lack of a better term, fucking shit up.
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04:01:27<@JAA>I'm sure there are many reasons why it'd be a bad idea, but at least on lower-capacity air-filled drives, it should be feasible.
04:01:31<systwi>Ohhh, maybe the plexiglass covers couldn't resist external magnetic fields like typical opaque ones do.
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04:03:44<systwi>I just realized it's pretty late, and I still need to work on my homework.
04:04:02<systwi>Nice talking with you
04:04:50<@JAA>Oh, shit, yeah, I should go to bed. lol
04:04:56<@JAA>06:04 :-|
04:05:27<@JAA>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oadjzgyT_tk
04:18:17<@JAA>+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiuHbdwjglw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noLVbircFXg https://hackaday.com/2021/05/19/transparent-hard-drive-gives-peek-at-the-platters/
04:18:29<@JAA>And now I'm off to bed. :-)
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09:06:57<systwi>Would anyone happen to know how to have grab-site properly use cookies.txt during a crawl? I've tried using: --wpull-args=--load-cookies=/absolute/path/to/cookies.txt
09:07:23<systwi>but it doesn't seem to use the file at all during the grab.
09:07:59<systwi>In other words, the cookies.txt I have is signed into an account. The resulting WARC shows me _not_ signed in.
09:16:40<systwi>Cool videos, JAA, thanks for sharing!
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10:46:14<@OrIdow6>systwi: Not familiar with cookies wpull, but with wget the format sometimes trips me up, specifically the use of tabs
10:46:40<@OrIdow6>Also, I'd call this on-topic
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11:39:11<yano>HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY!
11:39:23<yano>https://capslockday.org/
11:41:20<gazorpazorp>HTTPS://CAPSLOCKDAY.ORG *
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12:00:48<yano>CORRECT LOL
12:02:02<kpcyrd>YES
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14:43:00<IDK>HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY
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17:20:27<gazorpazorp>WHEN I WAS YOUNG I ACTUALLY TYPED LIKE THIS EVERYWHERE. IT MUST'VE BEEN PRETTY ANNOYING FOR OTHERS
17:22:41<gazorpazorp>IT ALSO SAYS THE 2ND CAPS LOCK DAY WAS CREATED IN MEMORY OF BILLY MAYS HTTPS://YOUTU.BE/watch?v=91K8MvN01b4 FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT HIS SPEAKING STYLE
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19:02:42<IDK>THATS BAD
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22:29:04<TheTechRobo>Reposting from #internetarchive:
22:29:06<TheTechRobo>TheTechRobo> Hello, is there a way to make an IA item "unlisted"?
22:29:06<TheTechRobo><TheTechRobo> Backstory: someone asked me to remove some items off the IA, but as the items use the "standard" identifier style for the type of content...
22:29:06<TheTechRobo><TheTechRobo> I think that it should just be only be able to be viewed if you have the Identifier
22:37:35<h3ndr1k>TheTechRobo: You got an answer after timing out:
22:37:35<h3ndr1k><JA A> Yes, you can set the metadata field 'noindex' to 'true'. E.g. `ia metadata $IDENTIFIER --modify=noindex:true`
22:37:57<TheTechRobo>Thanks h3ndr1k
22:38:08<TheTechRobo>My internet is being really annoying
22:41:45<TheTechRobo>is it normal to get youtube-xF55Ce67jNI - warning (400): no changes to _meta.xml ?
22:51:40<@JAA>#internetarchive is the right channel for this.
22:58:31<TheTechRobo>I've got so much stuff "to upload" to the IA lmao
22:58:52<TheTechRobo>I really need to weed through this stuff
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23:45:51<TheTechRobo>Is it jsut me or are like 99% of torrent trackers inaccessible?
23:46:21<TheTechRobo>And the ones that aren't don't connect me to the IA
23:49:03<TheTechRobo>Video: https://tmpfiles.org/142625/2021-10-2219-46-59.mkv

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