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05:56:34<webdownload>I wonder if there are any ties between the Archive Team and Vexillology Subreddit.
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11:56:10<thuban>apparently my internet went out for about an hour last night... and now that it's back i can't load _google_
11:57:44<thuban>which would be fine with me, really, except that all my work stuff depends on their services. idk what my isp is doing
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17:54:57<Wayward>j. f. chrysler ... https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07X4V2M3B
17:56:43<Wayward>i wonder if i can convince my landlord that old harddrives are a valid form of currency.
17:58:48<@JAA>Damn. After years of wanting to buy HDDs at US prices, it would finally be profitable to ship HDDs from Europe to the US. lol
18:07:40<@HCross>JAA: I presume you've not looked at courier costs
18:07:45<@HCross>no way that's cheaper
18:07:48<nepeat>jesus what, amazon ran out of stock?
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18:08:46<@JAA>HCross: HDD prices haven't moved a bit here so far, though some models aren't easily available. So even factoring te shipping costs, it'd be a healthy profit.
18:08:57<@JAA>factoring in the*
18:15:16<@JAA>There's almost a $100 difference in the product price for the WD Elements Desktop 12 TB. Shipping a 5 kg parcel with ~$3300 insurance to the US in 4-8 working days would be under $100 for me, and that can fit five of them. There are cheaper drives and shipping options as well.
18:15:22<@JAA>So yeah, profitable.
18:15:37<@JAA>Unless you only send single drives, that is.
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18:34:47<nepeat>double checking, you're looking at the third party prices instead of the sold and shipped by amazon price?
18:38:16<@JAA>Well yeah, at least on that particular model because Amazon isn't selling any apparently.
18:39:05<@JAA>I haven't checked any other models at all.
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18:49:09<Wayward>The official Amazon price still goes up $10 every 4 days, like I perviously mentioned.
18:49:24<Wayward>assuming they ever get any back in stock to sell.
18:55:47<nepeat>they eventually will
18:56:13<nepeat>likely in the warehouse sitting on pallets!
18:57:23<Wayward>hopefully all these idiots cleaning out everyone's inventory and providing them with a burst of revenue, will help to accelerate the production of higher capacity drives and push us to a new-normal 2 years in advance.
18:57:59<@JAA>Uh, yeah, no.
18:58:14<Wayward>uh, yeah... maybe maybe.
18:58:38<Wayward>they're already tooling to discontinue production of 12 TB drives in favor of 16/18 TB drives standard
18:58:58<Wayward>if all the 12/14 drives are sold out, gone, then the only thing to buy will be 16/18 going forward.
18:59:20<kiska>Yeah no that ain't happening, product segmentation is a thing :D
18:59:25<Wayward>gross simplification
19:00:11<Wayward>they still have platters they produce at spec, and old spec platters are discontinued forever in favor of new spec platters
19:00:57<@JAA>https://old.reddit.com/r/chia/comments/n2lren/thoughts_on_a_hdd_shortage_from_an_industry/
19:01:32<Wayward>Chia might just be a healthy 'laxative' to push out all the old inventory making tomorrow's technology the standard today
19:07:18<rewby>It's also a laxative for the money of anyone who needs to buy storage right now
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19:10:53<Wayward>I wonder if YouTube is still operating at a loss. Maybe they can just delete all their videos and dedicate their datacenters to Chia mining.
19:11:21<kiska>I believe with YT premium(red) they are making a slight profit
19:11:40<Wayward>So, set aside a few USB harddrives for premium content.
19:11:49<kiska>:D
19:13:43<kiska>But mostly the premise of YT premium was the removal of ads and some exclusive content
19:13:51<@JAA>From prior discussion in #youtubearchive, they're wildly profitable these days.
19:14:40<Wayward>impressive. it is genuinely impressive how google tricks so many people into buying ads after all these years.
19:15:22<kiska>I got YT premium for Google Play Music(which is now gone :( )
19:15:30<Wayward>i've never heard anyone celebrate all the money they sales they made from running online ads.
19:20:15<Wayward>another curiosity. i know for decades there's been talk about a global helium shortage and eventual depletion (and very sad clowns). i wonder if/when that'll hit harddrive prices.
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20:07:08<SCSi>Wayward: no clue, but im waiting for it
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