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00:23:43<@hook54321>"Reuters.com will remain free for a preview period, but will require users to register after five stories. It is not immediately clear when it will begin charging." - Reuters 🤔
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00:38:18<Wayward>unregistered reading just means clear cookies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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01:15:20<@OrIdow6>So it's occurred to me that, like recipe sites, most or all of the restaurant menu pages I've been to recently have been very JS-heavy
01:16:37<@hook54321>OrIdow6: https://publicdomainrecipes.org/
01:18:51<@OrIdow6>Hm, there's an exception
01:21:03<@JAA>Also Wikibooks Cookbook
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01:54:18<@hook54321>https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Toast
01:54:57<@hook54321>"Replace each slice of bread with a waffle". isn't that just a waffle?
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01:56:23<@JAA>lol
01:57:11<@JAA>I suppose there are some waffles you can warm in a toaster?
01:57:35<@hook54321>imo those are still waffles though
02:00:09<@JAA>I disagree. They're abominations. Waffles come from a waffle iron. :-)
02:00:11<@JAA>But yeah
02:00:53<@JAA>Also, thanks, now I want a waffle. :-(
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02:08:45<@hook54321>i mean, they do, they're just frozen after.
02:08:52<@hook54321>i agree they're not great though
02:09:43<thuban>they're good if you eat them still frozen, with a little bit of jam or ice cream on top
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02:32:43<Ryz>Huh, something to explore through, kinda as if a small point and click adventure o.o; - http://www.tanygraig.force9.co.uk/John/vlr/form.htm
02:39:20<thuban>adorable
02:49:35<Ryz>What an otherworldly place this is: http://www.lastplace.com/
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03:56:35<atphoenix>toaster waffles = Eggo . Not that I am a fan of them, but their TV ads were good enough to remember.
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03:57:42<atphoenix>I like real waffle iron waffles.
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04:09:52<atphoenix>I tried installing Windows on a 2.5" SMR drive that I had previously zero-wiped and/or secure-erased. No errors. But OMG was it slow to boot and use. I don't mean 5400 rpm slow. Much worse. I mean really really really slow.
04:11:02<atphoenix>a non SMR 5400 rpm drive would beat that SMR drive in any performance test.
04:12:10<Wayward>as i reported yesterday, it took me 10 to 12 days to zero wipe a 5TB 2.5" SMR over USB3
04:12:20<@JAA>Why would you install an OS on an HDD in the first place?
04:13:07<atphoenix>I was attempting to put together a laptop from my spare parts collection
04:13:17<@JAA>Ah
04:13:44<Wayward>bet it boots faster from the SD card slot
04:13:46<atphoenix>Use case was a temporary wireless to wired bridge
04:13:56<@JAA>I bet Linux would work reasonably well, assuming you put /var/logs and a few other things on tmpfs.
04:14:02<atphoenix>I ended up booting OpenWRT from a USB flash drive
04:14:23<@JAA>log*
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04:14:35<atphoenix>the drive is still in the laptop, but isn't doing anything now
04:15:00<atphoenix>https://www.techspot.com/news/84973-wd-publishes-complete-list-smr-drives-following-user.html I think it was a 2.5" WD Blue, which shows SMR for the > 1 TB size
04:16:34<atphoenix>technically, I'm using a OpenWRT fork called ROOter, from Australia, https://ofmodemsandmen.com/
04:18:08<atphoenix>the x64/x86 build includes common wifi chipset drivers by default so it is easy way to turn a laptop into a wireless to wired bridge
04:21:00<Wayward>I know what rooting means in Australian
04:21:44<atphoenix>and one use case there is to let a single upstream WiFi connection, like from a mobile hotspot, serve a whole wired network and/or another WiFi router sitting on a different channel.
04:22:27<atphoenix>I've learned that mobile hotpsot built into Android appears to be limited to 8 clients
04:22:58<atphoenix>I think this project is named after kangaroos.
04:23:54<Wayward>I've never made acquaintance with 8 people I'd share my mobile data with.
04:24:16<@JAA>Why not USB tethering?
04:25:23<atphoenix>Try sharing 1 phone's data with all your home devices and other family member's phones, and then the 8 clients limit gets hit fast
04:26:30<atphoenix>Why do it? Because you can put the 1 phone near a window with good reception, and the rest of the devices can go into mobile service deadzones.
04:27:04<atphoenix>but they'll still have data because they're in wifi range of the 1st phone
04:27:20<@JAA>No, why mobile hotspot over USB tethering? But I guess if you're very limited in where you can put the phone and can't put a computer-ish device nearby connected by cable, it makes sense.
04:28:16<Wayward>Meaning, if you've gone for the laptop solution, plug the phone into the laptop with a usb cable.
04:28:27<atphoenix>USB tethering might work with the laptop as a bridge. I haven't tried that. But then yes they need to within USB cable distance of each other.
04:30:07<atphoenix>(which they're not, in the place I've done this). I do have plans to try USB-tethering to a RPi, though, as the Rpi is small enough to be near where the phone must sit.
04:31:50<G4te_Keep3r>in the past ive had phones that gave much faster connections over wifi than usb, but haven't tried usb tethering in the past like 5 years so maybe its different now
04:32:26<Wayward>this $20 router will do client-router relays. shame I don't know of anything that accepts USB for phone teathering. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001FWYGJS
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04:37:58<atphoenix>i used a WRT54G many years ago as a client wireless to wired bridge, and a 2nd WRT54G as a wireless router that used the 1st WRT54G as it's WAN connection. That was helpful in hotels that had free Internet in the lobby but not in the rooms. I put larger antennas on on the first WRT54G so it could pick up the signal from the lobby.
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04:42:26<atphoenix>I also am kind of tired of the limitations of dedicated router platforms. and their problems. I kind of like OpenWRT on the laptop, and possibly on the RPi, as they're generic platforms that I can expect long service lifes from.
04:44:27<G4te_Keep3r>Wayward depending on how much you want to spend ($100 or $350), wifi pineapples can get internet from usb tethered phone and then send out via wireless and/or wired. And you have all the pen testing tools then too. But at that point you could probably find an old netbook on ebay for less, and being a netbook could sit under phone being tethered.
04:44:47<Wayward>up until a couple yaers ago, you could install dd-wrt and openwrt to that aformentioned N300. not anymore :(
04:45:54<Wayward>G4te_Keep3r: and a pineapple is intended to take high volume abusive traffic?
04:47:15<Wayward>imho, cheaper is better, unless i'm spending a customer's money.
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04:48:48<@hook54321>atphoenix: just casually put one in the lobby
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04:54:26<G4te_Keep3r>I have a mkV and mkVII, the mark 7 is much faster but also years newer. I do use one of them in hotels to connect all my devices, but being hotel wifi the limit is basically always the access point. That said i dont know how well they would handle high volume abusive traffic. The main thing (pre-covid) i used them for is trolling people in
04:54:26<G4te_Keep3r>starbucks and sometimes other public wifi, and a couple warwalkings but warwalking/driving has been a dead thing for so long. https://shop.hak5.org/products/wifi-pineapple Always great at defcon when all the people buy a new pineapple and turn it on so you see all the default networks.
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05:07:32<thuban>i last tried it years ago but usb tethering on android was a real mess (iirc i did not get it to work at all)
05:51:18<kiska>Um hello? https://status.budgetnode.com/779635645
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08:06:32<@HCross>atphoenix: I used one of those 4G boxes as a travel router, god it was so slow. Roamed on my UK sim in Sweden, I was able to pull 250Mbit down on my iPhone, and 2.5Mbit down on that thing
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14:32:36<@EggplantN>Happy Friday
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14:50:42<atphoenix>One thing some providers do is thottle hotspotted connections. They detect that multiple ways, one of which is that hotspot usually has a different IP address from the phone's primary connection
14:51:44<atphoenix>Reportedly some also look at TTLs or do deep packet inspection to find user agents
14:53:14<atphoenix>A fancy router in the middle can mitigate that. Or anything that makes the traffic indistinguishable from traffic originating on the phone itself.
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15:43:55<Iki>So, chromebot. Dashboard here: https://chromebot.6xq.net/
15:43:57<Iki>Results here: https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_chromebot
15:44:38<Iki>But is there a list relating job names to URLs to save locations, like here for archivebot? https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/
15:45:09<Iki>It's a bit hard for me to figure out which warcs on IA relate to which websites, though the jpg helps a bit
15:46:48<Iki>If a list exists, I might script up something with the python ia module to add metadata to the archiveteam_chromebot collection. would need to hand it to the collection owner, I think
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16:20:26<@hook54321>Iki: you'd need to talk to PurpleSym, they're only in #archivebot I believe.
16:20:57<Wayward>HCross: could also be an issue of radio band support for the region. there are a god aweful number of channels and bands and varied protocols supported on those frequencies today.
16:30:56<atphoenix>Band support is also a possibility. Also differential treatment by device IMEI numbers, where only known phones are given full speed access. Yet another reason to use a real phone as a hotspot instead of another device that takes a SIM.
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17:06:16<@HCross>atphoenix: I have an unlimited phone data sim in a router atm: https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/4533050396 which works really well for me. My carrier do sell dedicated mobile data sims as well but they’re far more expensive
17:08:28<@HCross>There’s a high school at the top of my road, and you can always feel the performance drop at the start of the day
17:10:11<AK>I'm tempted by a BT or a Three sim in a router in the future
17:10:30<AK>The only drawback for me would be latency and gaming
17:11:00<@HCross>AK: be aware that EE do weird things with IPv4 and NAT as well
17:11:05<@HCross>So some stuff may not work
17:11:25<@HCross>I wireguard all traffic from my desktop over v6 out to a VM which does it properly
17:11:32<AK>Ahh that's not a bad idea
17:11:43<AK>Ideally I'd like a business/dedicated fibre line
17:11:48<@HCross>I would do
17:11:51<@HCross>Too
17:11:56<AK>But that probably won't happen till I buy vs rent
17:12:06<@HCross>But the best Openreach can do here is 50Mbit
17:29:45<atphoenix>SoftEther can create tunnels over an HTTP proxy, which is useful for some of us, some of the time.
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19:19:40<@EggplantN>https://irc.fu.is/uploads/be7a2b2f6e5485ff/B0D50F7E-A2EB-4AF3-A396-03DA71F0EC36.jpeg
19:28:36<AK>How can we tell if Egg has been kidnapped and needs help: "I don't like beer"
19:29:28<@JAA>Or the more subtle version: after four pints, 'ok, I've had enough for tonight'.
19:48:38<@EggplantN>4 pints?
19:48:43<@EggplantN>jesus that’s fuck all
20:03:47<AK>That's the point lol
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21:54:26<masterX244>saw the planetminecraft-scrape torrent over at the the-eye discord? (https://the-eye.eu/public/Random/torrents/Planet_Minecraft_The_Archive.torrent )
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