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05:06:43<@JAA>Dear asciinema, what do you mean by 'archived'? https://asciinema.org/a/1nh23zdumvc23awthix6v6m6u
05:06:49<@JAA>Answer: deleted https://blog.asciinema.org/post/archival/
05:16:23<@OrIdow6>More or less darked and then deleted
05:16:28<@OrIdow6>Maybe they come from an alternate world where this channel is named #deleteteam-ot
05:22:26<thuban>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm_yHwnySX8
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05:42:18<Wayward->"darked"
05:45:36<atphoenix>"Archived recordings won’t be deleted, they’ll be hidden from listings and inaccessible via direct link. Actual removal from database and file store will happen some time after archival, but probably not sooner than few weeks/months after archival. For the time being we’re gonna keep them for a while, and figure out what’s a reasonable TTL for pruning them.
05:45:37<atphoenix>"
05:45:53<atphoenix>so darked and maybe deleted
05:46:13<atphoenix>the doublespeak is trong here
05:46:20<atphoenix>strongg*
05:46:48<atphoenix>strong* (yes i hate this laggy connection that is causing excessive typos)
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11:28:03<kpcyrd>apparently if I throw something in the trash it's "archived" until it's burned at the landfill
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15:51:59<@arkiver>kpcyrd: what?
15:53:14<kpcyrd>refering to asciinema in the backlog
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18:43:11<Wayward>if it takes 10 to 12 days to format (not quick format) a 5TB USB 2.5" WD Elements Portable, is there something wrong with it?
18:43:34<Wayward>format NTFS
18:45:19<Wayward>i did it on 2 different computers, same result.
18:50:25<masterX244>USB2 or USB3?
19:01:46<@JAA>I assume those are SMR?
19:16:04<Wayward>JAA: probably. masterX244: usb3
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19:17:31<masterX244>did some math earlier, Must be something else slowing the HDDs down than the USB cable so the SMR theory fits
19:18:11<@JAA>I wonder what access pattern the Windows formatting tool has. Might be horrible. Try dd or similar?
19:22:09<Wayward>i haven't tried linux, no.
19:22:39<@JAA>Just something that writes to the drive linearly I mean. I have no idea what exists in the Windows world for that.
19:23:00<Wayward>it's weird. i would hope/expect the drive's firmware could recognize when it's being formatted/zeroed out and not SMR shingle repair while doing so.
19:25:08<Wayward>but yeah, windows format is completely linear
19:29:34<@JAA>I haven't had issues with my SMR drives and large sequential writes, but they're Seagate 3.5", so they might work differently.
19:30:55<@JAA>I believe the cache takes care of that use pattern, i.e. it caches newly incoming data and then checks whether a shingle would be overwritten anyway. Not entirely sure though, and of course the manufacturers don't document this at all.
19:32:33<Wayward>plus, WD encloses whatever drives it feels like, willy nilly, depending on their given supply chain and inventory overhead.
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20:11:11<ivan>Wayward: what's the exact write speed you're getting?
20:12:07<ivan>you can use either Resource Monitor or pv in cygwin
20:14:28<ivan>hmm, that's a lot worse than even the USB 2 write speed
20:15:18<ivan>I regret my 2.5" drive purchases. worse performance and reliability
20:15:50<ivan>power over USB is not reliable enough either
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20:28:24<yano>http://www.arrl.org/world-amateur-radio-day
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21:45:20<Wayward>I think power over USB is pretty dang reliable, if your computer is newer than 15 years old.
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