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01:50:35<@hook54321>Ryz: there's firefox addons, thunderbird, seamonkey, and palemoon browsers, basically.
01:51:26<@hook54321>or something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Tiny_RSS
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02:08:57<Ryz>All this talk and browsing for RSS readers, I've been finding some of those websites haven't been updated/active for years Oo;
02:13:48<@JAA>Yeah, RSS readers have unfortunately become quite a niche thing, so there are lots of dead projects.
02:22:34<Wayward>Kids today tend to prefer JSON via "API", versus XML via "RSS".
02:26:12<@JAA>(Most) Kids today have no idea what JSON, API, XML, or RSS even are. 'It just works' (until it doesn't).
02:28:28<Wayward>It helps that JSON/API has the full backing of the likes of Apple and Google, with complete ISO/IEEE standardization. While RSS is some imaginings of one dude on EFNet from #EZTV who had his domain name stolen from him then fell off the planet.
02:29:08<@JAA>I mean, they're also completely different things, but whatever.
02:29:29<Wayward>at the same time, they're also exactly alike.
02:30:32<@JAA>Uh, yeah, no.
02:30:38<Wayward>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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02:38:34<OrIdow6>Cannot tell if you're joking with that or not
02:46:38<hexa->I can recommend miniflux. It's very lean but actively maintained.
02:58:21<@hook54321>i hope waterfox re-adds rss/live bookmarks and ftp support
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03:15:52<atphoenix>hook54321, dang over $1000 for Dr. Seuss books on auction!
03:20:07<atphoenix>why did mostly RSS die? Hard to deliver ads?
03:27:36<@hook54321>imo partly because people started moving towards "Progressive Web Applications"
03:31:49<atphoenix>another tech I'm sad to see have mostly failed is OpenID. I do think that the choice of URLs as opposed to something that looked like an email address added confusion. I know that was confusing to me when I looked into it.
03:34:44<hexa->mozilla persona
03:35:12<hexa->such a great idea that went nowhere
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06:07:41Doranwen really wishes she had her own personal non-destructive book scanner…
06:08:14<Doranwen>I've looked into the Archivist but didn't have $$ in the past and when I went to look now their store was dead, posted on the forums at least
06:18:20<Wayward>I can't read a lot of books scanned by book scanners, and wish they would have used a simple iphone on a tripod. too much bleed-thrugh showing the page reverse making for a distracting read.
06:19:55<Wayward>maybe if they scanned with a black backsheet they'd look better
06:21:21<Doranwen>anything would be better than my current scanner, which is a basic computer type one that's no larger than 8 1/2 x 11 - it's a PAIN scanning workbooks that are slightly larger, because even though there's extra white space, adjusting the book so that it's centered… :P
06:21:34<Doranwen>but I really want something along the lines of the Archivist, something with a cradle and a platen to hold the pages flat
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06:21:58<Doranwen>if I had to insert black sheets behind pages so there wasn't bleed through, that would be way simpler than the current method I've been using
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06:32:20<Doranwen>apparently the pandemic caused them to shut down production of the Archivist permanently :(
06:42:14Doranwen will have to shelve that desire, then - she's terrible at building anything hands-on and all that's left are open plans that one can use to build from
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16:16:26<atphoenix>oh no, I didn't realize that scanner was no longer available as pre-cut parts. Probably we should run stuff through AB. http://diybookscanner.org/archivist/index.html http://tenrec.builders/ https://forum.diybookscanner.org/
16:17:41<atphoenix>https://makezine.com/projects/make-41-tinkering-toys/diy-book-scanner/ has a broken link to design files, which are still available in WBM: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.diybookscanner.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/DIYBookScannerArchivistDesignFiles.zip
16:18:51<atphoenix>might also look at https://forum.diybookscanner.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3401 which is good for 600-1100 pgs/hr
16:26:24<Doranwen>I didn't either until I looked
16:26:38Doranwen would scan in so much stuff if she could, though
16:26:51<Doranwen>I have multiple public domain books I own that I'm pretty sure are not digitized anywhere
16:27:06Doranwen read through a 1910s era one the other day that she's never seen online
16:27:33<Doranwen>and I've got stuff that isn't pd that I would still want to have a digital copy of, just in case
16:30:22Doranwen wishes she'd had the money to purchase a kit when they were making them
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16:43:18<atphoenix>the scanner is supposed to be an open source, actually public domain, design, so it's only a matter of using plans and cutting and assembling parts. The kits made the job easier. E.g. side boards https://diybookscanner.org/archivist/index1a57.html?page_id=127
16:49:59<Doranwen>yeah, I'm just absolutely terrible at that stuff, seriously
16:50:08<Doranwen>hands-on building anything is NOT something I'm good at
16:50:21<Doranwen>and I wouldn't get started on any of it without someone hand-holding the whole way
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17:14:31<atphoenix>https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/euyvnj/i_built_a_book_scanner_and_scanned_all_the/ and https://imgur.com/a/RKerbJI shows someone building it.
17:24:42<Doranwen>all of that is WAY over my ability
17:24:45<Doranwen>trust me
17:25:14<Doranwen>I would more happily barter hours of work on something than try to figure that out - I would give up very quickly because I just have absolutely no idea what I'm doing about ANY of it
17:25:28<Doranwen>my brain just doesn't even think that way
17:25:51Doranwen would rather someone build it for her and have her scan in a hundred books to repay them, lol
17:26:06<Doranwen>(I'm just throwing out a random number, but you get the idea)
17:26:20<Doranwen>not that that actually is something anyone really wants, but
17:26:31<Doranwen>I have more time than I have ability to figure that out
17:26:41<Doranwen>just reading the thread, my eyes glaze over
17:29:45<Doranwen>also… I think I know exactly which school the OP is talking about
17:29:48<Doranwen>I used to live RIGHT BY IT
17:30:04<Doranwen>(but moved a few hours away now)
17:30:10<atphoenix>interesting how that sometimes happens
17:30:15<Doranwen>could be wrong
17:30:22<Doranwen>I can't get any of the pics to load right now (my terrible 'net)
17:30:27<Doranwen>so I can't look to see
17:30:54<Doranwen>but the info they gave on it matches up perfectly
17:31:00<Doranwen>down to how long it's been around
17:31:25<Doranwen>LOL YE
17:31:26<Doranwen>YES
17:31:28<Doranwen>it IS
17:31:50<Doranwen>I saw their link to the yearbooks on IA
17:31:54<Doranwen>it is the same one
17:31:59<Doranwen>wow, what a small world
17:32:04<Doranwen>that is not a huge school either
17:42:55Doranwen also suspects any community scanning option near her would be unavailable due to the pandemic
17:43:09<@EggplantN>It's America though
17:43:15<@EggplantN>Surely one is open lol
17:43:22<Doranwen>in my state?
17:43:23<Doranwen>lol
17:44:39<@EggplantN>What state?
18:08:46<Wayward>Hmm. Time to buy up copies of Dr. Suess books. 6+ have been canceled for waysism and have gone "out of print" overnight.
18:09:30<Doranwen>EggplantN: Washington
18:11:03<Doranwen>and I don't live anywhere near Seattle either, much more smaller town/country area
18:11:56<Wayward>The books are "And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street", "If I Ran the Zoo", "McElligot's Pool", "On Beyond Zebra!", "Scrambled Eggs Super!", "The Cat's Quizzer"
18:15:10<Wayward>And now lots of rumblings over just about any other book/film that features anthropomorphic animals who are grouped together and discriminated against for their species' /typical characteristics/.
18:15:41<Wayward>Of note, Netflix just bought the rigts to Redwall which is 110% "species racism."
18:22:25<atphoenix>Can't call it canceling if the copyright holder decides to stop printing more. That's free market choice by the owner.
18:22:53<atphoenix>Might call it canceling if third parties force a stop.
18:23:52<Wayward>atphoenix: It's called 'canceling' if the expressed reason for the decision to stop printing isn't self-motivated, but due to rabid foaming pressure of a vocal minority.
18:24:42<Wayward>It's the same thing as a group of people tweeting for organization to fire someone or retract their award, and the organization then doing so.
18:25:08<Wayward>Which we *do* call 'canceling'
18:26:08<atphoenix>Not the same thing. I own property X. I can choose to sell property X if I like. If market conditions mean there isn't a demand for property X, I am fully within my rights to stop production. Free market.
18:26:39<Wayward>It's the same thing, bruh. Nobody said that canceling was a violation of rights.
18:26:49<atphoenix>Calling for award retractions and firing is not property ownership.
18:27:19<Wayward>You think people own exclusive rights their awards and achievements? nope.
18:28:01<Wayward>Awards Inc. owns property X
18:32:18<Wayward>You can also find Dr. Seuss book solidarity book burning videos on twitter. I'll check my public library to see if these books have been pulled down.
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18:37:58<atphoenix>I don't care much what people do with their private copies (assuming they're not the last copies). Agitators and memes and fads affect all sorts of products. Destroy/Smash-my-PS2/3/iPhone videos are out there. Videos of folks doing the same with certain Seuss books is similar. They want attention/views/clicks/likes/retweets. If you don't like it, don't give it to them. The best way to respond is to ignore them.
18:39:31<Wayward>The best way to respond is to ridicule them and to ridicule cancel culture, and push back. Today, Hasbro responded that they will no longer be taking advice from the American Woke Council and will continue to sell Mr. and Mrs. gender-binary Potato Head. A big win for Americans.
18:39:34<atphoenix>(and maybe buy up remaining copies if you think the item is about to go scarce, as if supply falls below demand prices will go up)
18:39:45<Wayward>That's the advice I would give to you is to push back.
18:42:45<Wayward>Plus, now we have all these amazing new 3D printable Mr. Potato Head bits and pieces from all the publicity.
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18:48:41<@JAA>Reddit now has a 'let other users see my online status' option. I haven't seen it before, so I assume it's new. Couldn't find any announcement though. It was enabled without any prompt even for old users.
18:50:39<@JAA>https://old.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lx08r2/announcing_online_presence_indicators/
19:03:22<atphoenix>There is no such thing as an 'American Woke Council', and I don't see any announcements from today. https://corporate.hasbro.com/en-us/articles/create_your_potato_head_family_launching_this_fall is from Feb 25 and clearly states the gender-binary products will continue. The saved from from Feb 25 says the same . http://web.archive.org/web/20210225210804/https://corporate.hasbro.com/en-us/articles/create_your_potato_head_family_launchi
19:03:23<atphoenix>ng_this_fall
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19:33:39<@hook54321>1) They're potatos. 2) As far as I know the change was always only about changing the brand name from Mr. Potato Head to Potato Head, the characters still exist and haven't changed. 3) A publisher deciding to stop publishing something isn't "book burning", and it's not the same thing as libraries removing it. 4) Many conservatives like to portray themselves as not putting pressure on companies or society, which isn't true.
19:34:06<@hook54321>I haven't really looked at the books
19:41:33<Wayward>hook54321: the means of getting from point A. to point B. is what makes it defined as 'cancel culture'. Not the actions themselves in a vacuum.
19:43:15<Wayward>atomizing things down to a particular mundane activity in the whole chain-of-events does not make it reasonable or redeemable.
19:44:17<@EggplantN>tbf i think its shocking and needs to be reverted it makes my collectable Mr & Mrs Potato Head collection incomplete now and I bet they're gonna charge a ton
19:45:29<Wayward>I want my children and other people's children to still be exposed to gender binary archtypes, and not have to read about these archtypes in history books and museums.
19:46:49<Wayward>Not that they're criticized and ridiculed for still using that ancient title prefix on their resumes and business cards.
19:47:43<spirit>if you plug in headphones with builtin microphone to an android tablet, will the mic be used by the system?
19:48:15<spirit>3,5mm, not something fancy
19:48:17<Wayward>spirit: it probably depends on the device, but in my Samsung phone and tablet, no.
19:49:37<Wayward>With newer USB-C -to- 3,5mm adapted devices, it might not necessarily be a physical hardware cutoff but a software decision
19:52:16<Wayward>but maybe even still accessable at a driver/hardware level, with the built-in noise cancellation microphones
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20:48:22<thuban>a friend and i tried to build the archivist from the open plans and had a horrible time--a number of the components are non-standard and/or unavailable, the slide mechanism was iffy, and the scan control software would not work even with cameras the underlying lib was supposed to support well
20:48:49<thuban>we had to make a number of changes before putting the project on hold due to quarantine and it's still not finished
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23:45:48<Doranwen>atphoenix: yeah, except there's no kits left, unless someone has one they bought but never built :(
23:55:12<atphoenix>Considering that the pandemic means more people are at home, it seems that the demand for book scanners might have increased? Yet production is stopped?

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