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04:19:30<@hook54321>https://twitter.com/brewster_kahle/status/1364018616488710145
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04:25:20<OrIdow6>Going about as well as I expected
04:29:44<OrIdow6>I did get a sort of "we're going to show you rubes how it's really done" feeling from this after it was discussed in -bs yesterday
04:35:14<OrIdow6>Oh, didn't even see they were using the EU flag
04:43:54<Craigle>Well, you don't understand. He's some guy, from some company, and he's like a billionaire, so he could totally do it if he wanted to.
04:44:16<Craigle>Also, he works at Nintendo, and totally gives me all the new games before they come out
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05:46:34<atphoenix>oooof. Kiska do you know if this is common across .au? https://www.renovateaustralia.com/2020/06/19/australia-says-goodbye-to-the-backyard/
05:47:58<@kiska>Looks about right
05:49:42<atphoenix>at that single home density, almost without yard, I think townhomes/rowhomes or condominiums would be better.
06:03:31<atphoenix>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlpyNTfX0ic Interview with the Inventor of the Turbo Thermo-Encabulator Max - Joseph Lstiburek of Building Science Corporation
06:04:18<flashfire42>https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/bd0e8a33573a3f42/image.png
06:04:20<flashfire42>BRUH
06:04:58<atphoenix>flashfire42, where is that from?
06:05:08<flashfire42>https://archive.eu/
06:05:26<flashfire42>I mean good on them but thats gonna save fuck all in todays internet
06:05:58<atphoenix>no kidding. But it'll save space!
06:07:08<atphoenix>they could just move the word HTML into the first sentence, and remove the last sentence.
06:07:15<atphoenix>then the whole internet might fit on a floppy
06:09:02<thuban>the lost secret of jan sloot!
06:10:51<@kiska>At first when I saw archive.eu I thought the IA setup some sort of eu domain thing
06:11:15<@kiska>But yeah... https://twitter.com/PamelaSamuelson/status/1364054540681572352 :D
06:25:27<@JAA>I love their 'we chose our name independently' defence. lol
06:28:35<atphoenix>Jan Sloot's compression algorithm may have something in common with write-only, read-never memory. I have unlimited capacity in /dev/null. Or maybe it worked like a book...you read 8 kB of words, and your brain makes the movie.
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08:08:04Wayward wonders if that .ods will prove useful to anyone. took ages to scrape.
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08:12:58<Wayward>atphoenix, those aerials of australia look like mexico, without the bleached concrete.
08:16:52<atphoenix>proposed motto: "Moving forwards, by moving backwards". Also applies to the linking fight with Google and FB.
08:17:34<Wayward>so much for their migration policy: "There's room for everyone!"
08:17:54<atphoenix>well, it started as a prison colony...
08:18:18<atphoenix>via 'transportation'
08:28:36<Wayward>♪ ♫ back to back, belly to belly, it's a housing jamboree ♪ ♫
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09:01:29<atphoenix>Rant: articles that do not understand the difference between energy (kWh, calories, gallons of fuel) and power (kW, calories per hour, fuel burn rate) bother me. Especially when they try to explain things. If you really *know* these concepts, reading such articles may drive you mad as you try to deduce what they're really intending to say. At the same time, such articles add additional garbage into the information pool making it all
09:01:29<atphoenix>the harder for those who want to learn the difference, or understand how to make sense of it all. There is a parallel in tech: bandwidth vs latency. Without further adieu: https://activerain.com/blogsview/4193068/what-are-the-electrical-energy-users-in-your-house-
09:14:42<Wayward>It surprises me how many people can't wrap their head around kWh. And this coming from someone who admididly struggles with ohms law.
09:16:29<Wayward>fortunately, the bandwidth and latency duality are getting public awareness as the government and SpaceX talk about rural broadband and funding requirements (speed > 100 Mbit, latency < 32 ms.. i think)
09:18:13<Wayward>While Amazon reviews are still littered with millions of complaints about "Only getting 10.5 TB but the listing says 12 TB!!! F--"
09:22:29<atphoenix>I think the 'hour' in 'kwh' throughs people off. They try to say per-hour but that is meaningless there. Might be easier to just use kilojoules (kJ) instead of kWh. AND to also use that unit for other things too to show energy content.
09:24:13<Wayward>I explain it to people thusly, and it seems to automatically make sense to them, or they pretend to agree. "Well, your space heater uses 1500 watts, or 1.5 kW, constantly. After one hour of use, that's 1.5 kWh added to your electric bill, or about 35 cents per hour."
09:26:04<atphoenix>or $15 in TX, if you have power and Griddy is your electric retailer, and you didn't understand that wholesale rates carry additional risk with them and are only suitable if you have your own backup power supplies.
09:26:11<Wayward>hehehe
09:26:33<Wayward>yeah, that shit's insane. $9 kWh
09:26:58<Wayward>I can't wait to see the $10,000 electric bills at the end of the month
09:27:01<atphoenix>I wouldn't mind the Griddy plan myself...IF I had enough backup power for my critical loads.
09:27:23<Wayward>it's almost like living in Europe!
09:27:34<atphoenix>and had an automatic way to switch my loads over upon price spikes
09:27:50<Wayward>"here's one nanolitre of petrol sir, that'll be 9 metric dollars."
09:27:57<atphoenix>Europe rates are a bargain compared to $9/kWh
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09:38:33<atphoenix>TX chose to run their electric system the way they did. TX can figure out if, and how, they'll respond to the system weakness, and whether they'll bail out (retail) customers caught up in the wholesale price spike. I bet many Griddy customers did not clearly understand the downside of devil's bargain that is wholesale electric rates, and that's compounded by not understanding the difference between kWh and kW, and the inability to
09:38:34<atphoenix>read, or focus more than 15 seconds on anything.
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09:48:05<Wayward>Californian ex-pats brought their rolling blackouts with them. It's a cultural thing.
09:54:40<atphoenix>not in this case. This is all on TX. Actually California's blackouts in the early 2000s were also on TX, by way of Enron.
10:06:11<Wayward>I thought California's blackouts were ongoing, without pause, for decades now.
10:07:55<OrIdow6>The big blackouts of the early 2000s were caused by Enron
10:08:55<Wayward>But yeah, Texas has grown 33% in those 20 years. It was doing fine as a "lone" star state.
10:09:17<Wayward>from 20 million to 30 million
10:10:49<OrIdow6>Blackouts still happen now, but (from what I know) they're rarer, and happen when everybody runs their AC at once, or when they don't want to start fires
10:12:20<Wayward>I think the overall US population growth only raised from 300 to 330 million, or 10% (vs 33%)
10:14:13<Wayward>Texas should think about building houses like they do in Australia
10:15:39<Wayward>oh wait, 20 to 30 million is 50% growth ain't it
10:15:45<Wayward>yikes
10:21:33<atphoenix>Gov and social and operating policies that work fine in low-density areas and low populations do not automatically translate to working well in high-density areas and high populations. This can be seen all over the world. Similar patterns can be seen in managing heat and cooling of electronics... pack a lot of GPUs or hard drives in a tight case without extra cooling fans, and they'll quickly heat up to the point of probably damaging
10:21:33<atphoenix>themselves. Spread them out and no extra fans will be required. These are broadly known as scaling problems.
10:22:15<Wayward>Reasons to review immigration policy for a sustainable future.
10:23:17<Wayward>"We don't have the resources nor infrastructure to accomodate everyone. Please wait for your application to be approved."
10:32:34<atphoenix>"Please wait for your application to be approved." ... this part is very expensive (thousands to tens of thousands) and very slow (years to decades) . Most Americans have no understanding of what is involved in the process. Native born US Citizens can wait *years* for spouses to get permission to enter the US.
10:48:57<Wayward>It costs thousands to immigrate to any European country. In fact, they'll require you to deposit $40,000 into a bank account to prove you won't be a burden upon society.
10:49:15<Wayward>This is normal, necessary, even vital to survival.
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10:53:24<atphoenix>Is Lady Liberty obsolete?
10:53:31<Wayward>perhaps
10:53:54<Wayward>lots of things are supposedly obsolete
10:56:33<Wayward>Texas will not sustain a 50% growth every 20 years. It's amazing millions didn't freeze to death from the power outage. It's no big thing when millions die in an earthquake or flood in Indonesia, and I don't want it to become no big thing when that happens in Texas. Another statistic example of over population amidst crumbling infrastructure.
10:57:59<Wayward>actually the previous 50% population growth took 40 years, so the next 50% growth should happen in 2030, and again in 2035, then 2037.
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13:55:01<VerifiedJ>European Internet Archive has rebranded to European Web Archive. https://twitter.com/ArchiveEu/status/1364205904481124355
14:16:48<hexa->hm, is that *the* joaquinito? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/114090/files#diff-aebf0349dab77be61d9e020e5ca72a390837913cc7d3a96c0965541051a67f76R37
14:32:31<Aoede>yeah, prolly him
14:38:44<hexa->ok, thanks
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15:48:28<Sanqui>"[The European Web Archive] is operated by Intelligence X, a search engine & data archive. We are not funded by the EU."
15:48:34<Sanqui>"For security reasons, pictures, videos, JavaScript, and other potentially dangerous codes and external references are removed. Therefore historical versions may appear "blank"."
15:48:49<Sanqui>yeah, move on, this thing is dead-on-arrival.
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16:26:03<atphoenix>No pictures, no videos, no JS, no external references....that's not the web. Might have been okay in 1994.
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16:37:11VerifiedJ gives European Web Archive the award for the most useless archive.
16:43:29<VerifiedJ>And we can pretty much just assume they are not using the WARC format.
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16:53:19<@HCross>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56172496 how do we archive a 99 year old man?
17:03:06<@JAA>< Wayward> I can't wait to see the $10,000 electric bills at the end of the month -- That already happened. A story was making the rounds on Reddit the other day of a retired guy in his 70s who got a $16k bill from Griddy and is now bankrupt.
17:04:30<VerifiedJ>Treat them like any other ancient fossil and 3D scan them?
17:04:38<VerifiedJ>or did you want sensible suggestions?
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19:21:55<atphoenix>this is fun https://theoldnet.com/ via https://ia801203.us.archive.org/13/items/ArchiveExperiments/index.html via https://archivelab.org/
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19:23:59<atphoenix>http://theoldnet.com/~rich/ "my name is rich, and I don't like this new internet anymore."
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20:37:31<Wayward>JAA: That fast? It's only been a week
21:05:14<OrIdow6>Yeah, heroku-mirahaze is Joaquinito
21:22:01<atphoenix>where was our favorite troll last spotted?
21:25:08<atphoenix>oh fun on github!
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22:07:49<@JAA>Wayward: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/20/us/texas-storm-electric-bills.html
22:08:00<@JAA>Billing cycles aren't always at the end of a month.
22:12:48<Wayward>How the hell did these people use over 700 to 1000 kWh in a 4-5 day period, yet have the audacity to say "we only used the bare minimum." 700 kWh is 1 space heater running continuosly for 20 days.
22:13:04<Wayward>on high
22:14:01<Wayward>I've never need 4 space heaters on full blast, let alone 6 or 8 of them
22:19:17<Wayward>5 days huddled up next to a space heater under a pillow/blanket fort to stay alive while your neighbors die, uses 180 kWh or a cost of $1620 tops.
22:21:06<thuban>careful, fire risk
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