| 00:00:18 | <Jake> | (regarding tucows, it seems like the new version hasn't been updated yet) https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1352765779410825217 |
| 00:01:02 | <@JAA> | Nice |
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| 02:38:23 | <@JAA> | https://support.2k.com/hc/en-us/articles/360038371534 'Will I still be able to play Battleborn in any fashion (e.g. the single-player campaign, peer-to-peer games) after the servers go offline? No, once the servers are offline on January 31, 2021, Battleborn won’t be playable in any way.' God, I hate modern games. |
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| 02:46:55 | <Jake> | That's super stupid. |
| 02:52:21 | <@JAA> | Yup, game requires internet connection to even just launch. Digital Restriction Management at its best-worst. |
| 03:01:20 | <Ajay> | https://preview.redd.it/iwzamkwnxm961.png |
| 03:01:46 | <Ajay> | fixed url https://i.redd.it/iwzamkwnxm961.png |
| 03:03:50 | <SpikedCola> | hey all, getting "Exception: No usable Wget+At found. |
| 03:03:50 | <SpikedCola> | " with the latest docker image, on project "mediafire". |
| 03:04:21 | <SpikedCola> | found a github issue that talks about this https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/seesaw-kit/issues/102 |
| 03:05:06 | <SpikedCola> | but in the issue, the commenter was using a vm, and chfoo says the projects arent compatible with the VM |
| 03:05:27 | <SpikedCola> | i'm running the docker image directly so that shouldnt be the cause. |
| 03:05:38 | <SpikedCola> | (for arguments sake I also tried the vm image under xen, and get the same errors) |
| 03:05:55 | <SpikedCola> | any suggestions would be appreciated |
| 03:06:55 | <SpikedCola> | (perhaps #warrior a better place to ask? the topic says not to ask about project-specific problems) |
| 03:09:22 | <Ajay> | SpikedCola: is that using the warrior docker image or the mediafire docker image? |
| 03:10:27 | <SpikedCola> | Ajay, using the warrior docker image |
| 03:10:32 | <SpikedCola> | "archiveteam/warrior-dockerfile |
| 03:10:32 | <SpikedCola> | " |
| 03:10:38 | <SpikedCola> | ack damn newlines heh |
| 03:10:58 | <Ajay> | SpikedCola: warrior docker image does not work with any projects except for url team, you need to use a project-specific docker image |
| 03:11:11 | <SpikedCola> | ahh i see |
| 03:11:19 | <Ajay> | atdr.meo.ws/archiveteam/mediafire-grab |
| 03:12:51 | <SpikedCola> | do you happen to have a list of project-specific docker images? |
| 03:13:15 | <SpikedCola> | i was hoping to donate some internet/cpu cycles to the general "warrior" project |
| 03:13:48 | <Ajay> | replace the last part with the <blank>-grab from a github repo https://github.com/archiveteam |
| 03:14:11 | <Ajay> | I think there is one image that switches between projects if you have watchtower installed, I'll look for it |
| 03:14:50 | <SpikedCola> | cool, thanks! |
| 03:16:43 | <Ajay> | I can't find it, but someone else might now |
| 03:16:52 | <SpikedCola> | no worries |
| 03:17:14 | <Ajay> | *know |
| 03:24:26 | <@JAA> | atdr.meo.ws/archiveteam/defaultproject-grab:latest |
| 03:26:40 | <SpikedCola> | thanks JAA! will give it a whirl |
| 03:37:44 | <SpikedCola> | sorry, dumb question (i have no real docker experience) |
| 03:37:59 | <SpikedCola> | i was able to pull the image no problem |
| 03:38:21 | <SpikedCola> | im running it with `docker run --detach --publish 192.168.10.13:8002:8001 --restart always --env DOWNLOADER="SpikedCola" atdr.meo.ws/archiveteam/defaultproject-grab:latest` |
| 03:38:35 | <SpikedCola> | but `docker ps` shows that it just keeps restarting |
| 03:38:50 | <SpikedCola> | `docker logs <containername>` shows "run-pipeline3: error: the following arguments are required: DOWNLOADER |
| 03:38:50 | <SpikedCola> | usage: run-pipeline3 [-h] [--concurrent N] [--max-items N] [--stop-file FILE] |
| 03:38:50 | <SpikedCola> | [--disable-web-server] [--keep-data] [--address HOST] |
| 03:38:50 | <SpikedCola> | [--port PORT] [--http-username USERNAME] |
| 03:38:51 | <SpikedCola> | [--http-password PASSWORD] [--context-value VALUE_PAIR] |
| 03:38:53 | <SpikedCola> | [--version] [--auto-update] |
| 03:38:55 | <SpikedCola> | PIPELINE DOWNLOADER" |
| 03:39:05 | <SpikedCola> | i thought "--env downloader..." would specify that? |
| 03:53:52 | <SpikedCola> | looks like i need to rtfm: https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Running_Archive_Team_Projects_with_Docker |
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| 04:47:25 | <atphoenix> | Re: DRM-laden software/hardware...I have the opinion that the only versions that will survive long term will be the cracked versions that no longer are tied to the central server |
| 04:48:51 | <atphoenix> | and streaming games like those on Stadia are almost guaranteed to die, only to be preserved as recorded videos |
| 04:51:01 | <OrIdow6^2> | Even uncracked disk images etc. may stick around, though that requires people that are preservation-oriented instead of entertainment-oriented to spread/copy them |
| 04:51:32 | <OrIdow6^2> | Heard of "Stadia", didn't know it had video games that ran completely on the server side |
| 04:52:17 | <OrIdow6^2> | Case in favor of the AGPL |
| 04:54:11 | <OrIdow6^2> | *That resided completely on the server side |
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| 05:58:36 | <atphoenix> | my understanding is that Stadia is 100% streaming video of the game the player is playing. No local processing. Think Remote Desktop, but to a game console hosted by Google. |
| 06:00:52 | <atphoenix> | As such, the content/code is not available outside of the datacenter, and because it is really just an interactive streaming video, there is nothing local that can be preserved (besides the resulting video stream, and whatever the handheld controller is) |
| 06:06:26 | <atphoenix> | I bought Factorio; a major factor there was it is actually usable offline, without DRM encumbrance. I have no interest in spending time gaming on platforms like Stadia that will leave me with nothing when they eventually shutdown. |
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| 06:39:27 | <Jake> | I love Factorio :), but yeah, Stadia and platforms like it I feel are a bad idea. Something that is more interesting to me is Geforce NOW, just cloud computing for existing steam games. |
| 07:03:32 | <atphoenix> | If the Wikipedia is correct, Geforce NOW is the same thing as Stadia... cloud gaming where the game is really just a livestreamed video you intereact with. |
| 07:06:38 | <atphoenix> | well maybe not exactly the same, if it lets you load games of your own choosing (bring your own games). The implementation details matter. |
| 07:07:20 | <atphoenix> | I bought Factorio directly from the devs, because I didn't want a Steam dependency |
| 07:38:45 | <OrIdow6^2> | That was that thing that Sanqui made, wasn't it? |
| 07:40:07 | <OrIdow6^2> | Or at least "some form of involvement", according to R y z |
| 07:43:04 | <OrIdow6^2> | On "Stadia": question I have, for archiving purposes, is whether there are video games you can use there, which you can not effectively download from there |
| 07:43:11 | <OrIdow6^2> | From what you're saying, sounds like this is the case |
| 07:44:30 | <OrIdow6^2> | See,s like it would be a risk to someone making a game to tie it to "Stadia", and offer copies through no other channels - especially considering (as we are all too familiar with here) Google's tendency to kill products |
| 07:45:59 | <OrIdow6^2> | Seems like for about half the software products mentioned in AT channels, someone here is either directly involved in it, or knows someone who is |
| 07:46:25 | <OrIdow6^2> | Obviously excluding archiving software, that would make it trivially true |
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| 08:04:15 | <atphoenix> | what did Sanqui make? |
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| 10:10:39 | <@kiska> | So... Need advice on coming out to my parents about being gay |
| 10:20:12 | <flashfire42> | Are they real traditionalist asian parents kiska? I know you are an asian dude I wanted to check that before I give suggestions |
| 10:23:45 | <@kiska> | Yes my data is very traditionalist |
| 10:23:58 | <@kiska> | My mum less so and knows about it with mothers intuition |
| 10:24:42 | <flashfire42> | I mean in that case just take your mum aside and tell her gently if she kinda already knows. then you can decide together how best tell your dad without him freaking out |
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| 10:59:23 | <Sanqui> | kiska: in my case I realized that my mother is not homophobic per se but rather greatly afraid for the safety of her "child". maybe that might help with perspective. |
| 11:01:56 | <jut> | My parents biggest concern was that they wouldn't have grandchildren, my advice would be to just tell them and then see what happens, you might be surprised |
| 11:03:25 | <Sanqui> | that is probably also the case as I'm an only child, but they didn't say it out loud. |
| 11:04:30 | <Sanqui> | funny thing is, I've had to since explain that my gay relationship has turned into a straight one...technically. |
| 11:06:13 | <jut> | how independent are you kiska? It's not worth telling them if you risk homelessness |
| 11:07:42 | <jut> | I only told them when I got a place at a uni dorm and had a job. |
| 11:13:57 | <flashfire42> | Sanqui I have no idea how that would even begin to work lol |
| 11:14:37 | <Sanqui> | flashfire42: transgender people exist |
| 11:14:50 | <flashfire42> | Yes thats true I had a brain moment |
| 11:15:09 | <Sanqui> | lol it's fine |
| 11:15:19 | <Sanqui> | it's funny |
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| 16:40:28 | <@hook54321> | different for everyone, but when i came out i preferred to message them while they were at work, that way they would have time to process it before saying something they might regret, and it was easier for me. |
| 16:41:27 | <@hook54321> | to some parents it might seem impersonal to do it like that i'd imagine though |
| 16:44:56 | <Sanqui> | I didn't come out with a letter, but I did choose to share some other uncomfortable news with a letter. Just a warning if you decide to go this route, my mom nearly had a heart attack because she thought it was going to be a suicide note, which is not something I anticipated (I don't have troubles that would suggest that, but my mom tends to think about the worst case scenario). Overall it was not favorable. |
| 16:49:09 | <@hook54321> | i've heard some people give it to them wrapped up on christmas or a birthday or something |
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| 21:40:39 | <Wayward> | SketchTheCow: I want to do a spicy thing, but under the Internet Archive brand, that garners media attention and fresh new traffic. Let me do a spicy thing. |
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