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| 07:27:15 | <systwi> | "Wanna bikeshed about the topic?" |
| 07:27:16 | <systwi> | No |
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| 08:06:58 | <hexa-> | http://solarleaks.net/ |
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| 14:10:12 | <AK> | Wondering why I can't get something to work properly, finally see in the logs I got 429ed. Oh shit, it's hosted on github and they've rate limited this server. Doh |
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| 14:15:41 | <jut> | FYI america is now deciding if causing an insurection is bad |
| 14:16:52 | <Dallas> | jut: is the senate debating it yet? |
| 14:17:41 | <jut> | no the house of representatives |
| 14:18:06 | <Dallas> | ohh, what channel can I watch it on ? |
| 14:18:12 | <jut> | https://www.c-span.org/video/?507879-1/house-session |
| 14:18:34 | <Dallas> | ty |
| 14:19:42 | <Dallas> | They're praying? I thought the US was all "separation of church and state" ?!?! |
| 14:20:40 | <jut> | Yeah that cought me off guard too, but what do I a filthy european know :) |
| 14:21:22 | <Dallas> | Oh I think it's live on CNN now |
| 14:21:31 | <Dallas> | Yeah same |
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| 14:22:04 | <Dallas> | I'm from the UK and I think they can pray at the start of a session (maybe) but I've watched a lot of parliament and never seen someone stand up and lead a prayer |
| 14:22:38 | <Dallas> | "filthy european" we're all filthy liberal communists or something apparently looool |
| 14:23:51 | <jut> | I remember realising that in america they have to pay if they go to an emergency room in the hospital |
| 14:23:59 | <jut> | That seemed nuts to me |
| 14:25:24 | <Billy549> | Parliament would probably be unhappy if you tried to start praying |
| 14:25:25 | <OrIdow6> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplain_of_the_United_States_Senate#Constitutionality |
| 14:27:17 | <OrIdow6> | In any case separation of church & state is usually applied more carefully to things that affect people rather than symbolic things like this |
| 14:28:28 | <PhantomTypist> | Pretty sure it's not "they are deciding if causing an insurrection is bad", the whole point is whether or not they should impeach old orange |
| 14:38:47 | <Dallas> | Does this guy have a slit in his mask ? |
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| 14:41:35 | <PhantomTypist> | the old guy with white hair? |
| 14:42:58 | <Dallas> | Tom Cole, red & whitemask |
| 14:43:04 | <PhantomTypist> | missed it |
| 14:43:14 | <Dallas> | This Hoyer guy looks like he's gonna kneel over any moment ! |
| 14:47:22 | <Dallas> | Oh he's geared up, I like him! |
| 14:47:40 | <PhantomTypist> | like shark smelling blood |
| 14:48:13 | <Dallas> | Exactly, I was fooled in to thinking he was frail but he's on it now |
| 14:49:09 | <PhantomTypist> | did you listen to the full georgia phone recording of orange? |
| 14:49:21 | <PhantomTypist> | it's pretty bad for him... like the nixon tapes |
| 14:49:38 | <Dallas> | I listened to all of it WaPo put up on tiktok lol |
| 14:49:54 | <PhantomTypist> | i'm not sure what planet he lives on |
| 14:50:02 | <Dallas> | Normally I get news from actual sites but it was conveniently on my fyp |
| 14:50:51 | <PhantomTypist> | i kind of whish Veep was still around as a show. they'd have so much good material you can't dream up |
| 14:51:24 | <Dallas> | My grandad had dementia before he died and honestly trump talking does remind me of him waayy to much |
| 14:51:59 | <Dallas> | I've been meaning to watch that, I watched a load of house of cards but then Kevin Spacey got metoo'd and I dipped :/ |
| 14:52:20 | <PhantomTypist> | it's little known, but trump's mother had some form of dementia |
| 14:52:35 | <PhantomTypist> | i really think he has had onset dementia even back in 2016 |
| 14:53:21 | <Dallas> | oh rlly, yeah it runs in families, it would not surprise me |
| 14:53:27 | <PhantomTypist> | i was at College Point years ago and saw his mother there near one of the stores. she was going crazy (she already had dementia at that point). she assault a cop when they finally came and she got taken away. |
| 14:53:45 | <PhantomTypist> | she never got jail time though because of the family being connected |
| 14:54:11 | <Dallas> | no way wtf |
| 14:54:15 | <PhantomTypist> | dead serious |
| 14:54:46 | <PhantomTypist> | when you live in NYC you know what the family looks like |
| 14:54:51 | <Dallas> | I dated a girl from NYC once and she was telling me how everyone in new york hated trump and knew he was a crook so they where shocked the rest of the country took him so seriously lol |
| 14:55:02 | <PhantomTypist> | oh yeah, it's true |
| 14:55:09 | <PhantomTypist> | very few people liked them |
| 14:55:54 | <PhantomTypist> | my family was in construction and i'd always hear stories of how trump screwed over company X or Y for not paying their bills, and then in court trump would win due to some loophole he put in his contracts. |
| 14:56:04 | <Dallas> | Not surprised, his building is ... garish |
| 14:56:13 | <PhantomTypist> | it got to a point very few people would do business with the trump org |
| 14:56:35 | <Dallas> | Oh yeah, I watch John Olivers show every now and then and they went through soooo many cases like that he'd been involved in |
| 14:56:37 | <PhantomTypist> | let me find a video for you |
| 14:57:01 | <PhantomTypist> | and just replace the words trump is saying with what he is saying now.... same exact thoughts and angle though |
| 14:57:08 | <Billy549> | it's funny cause |
| 14:57:11 | <PhantomTypist> | he hasn't changed his motive since the 80's |
| 14:57:14 | <Billy549> | i doubt he's gonna be able to loophole his ass through this one |
| 14:57:17 | <Dallas> | And trump uni and trump steaks, man he loovves slapping his name on shit |
| 14:57:23 | <Billy549> | he's egotistical |
| 14:57:25 | <Billy549> | anyone can see that |
| 14:57:40 | <Billy549> | that might be a way he wins people over though, because if he shows he's so successful and his name is everywhere some people want that |
| 14:57:42 | <Dallas> | Billy549: if he does surely everyone will lose complete faith in the government and process |
| 14:57:46 | <Billy549> | not me, I'd rather just help out |
| 14:57:56 | <Billy549> | Dallas: everyone's already losing faith in it, that's why this impeachment article etc is importan |
| 14:57:58 | <Billy549> | *important, sorry |
| 14:58:14 | <Billy549> | I try not to pay tooooooo much attention to US politics - i have coursework to do, or sleep |
| 14:58:39 | <Dallas> | People assume big building = rich af |
| 14:58:39 | <Dallas> | but you can have a big building and be in millions of debt |
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| 14:59:18 | <Dallas> | Oh same! but this is like massive, we have enough political chaos in the UK to keep up with without the US drama too |
| 14:59:33 | <Dallas> | Oh god I wanna give Al a hug O.O |
| 14:59:38 | <Dallas> | He sounds so sad |
| 14:59:39 | <Dallas> | awww |
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| 15:00:25 | <PhantomTypist> | well fuck. someone got WNET to take down the video |
| 15:01:08 | <jut> | Billy549 had my last exam of the semester today so I have penty of time to watch c-span |
| 15:01:15 | <Billy549> | jut: lucky you :P |
| 15:01:22 | <Dallas> | PhantomTypist: didn't you archive it lool |
| 15:01:27 | <Billy549> | I'm doing some webdev stuff :( |
| 15:01:28 | <PhantomTypist> | it was an 11th Hour episode. night of the NYC mayoral election. I think 1988 or 1989. Robert Lipsyte interviewed trump at the end |
| 15:01:37 | <PhantomTypist> | i did |
| 15:01:38 | <Dallas> | jut -.- I'm "Working" now |
| 15:01:40 | <PhantomTypist> | gotta go find it |
| 15:01:42 | <Dallas> | eyyy ofc |
| 15:02:37 | <Billy549> | I'm "working" on my webdev stuff |
| 15:02:44 | <Billy549> | we were meant to start our big assignment today, not happening |
| 15:02:51 | <Dallas> | Is this guy trying to say not impeaching trump is "putting people before politics" ? |
| 15:03:17 | <jut> | Why are the republicans talking about a comission of some sort? |
| 15:03:24 | <Dallas> | omg he's actually saying "if we ignore the nazis I'm sure we'll all become friends" |
| 15:03:32 | <Billy549> | just ignore the problem |
| 15:03:37 | <Billy549> | put the problem in a box in the corner |
| 15:03:41 | <Billy549> | PROBLEM SOLVED! |
| 15:04:01 | <Dallas> | They want a commission to work out how security was breached, which I guess is a good idea but also impeach the guy who called for it wtf |
| 15:04:11 | <PhantomTypist> | ok, i got the video :D |
| 15:04:21 | <Billy549> | ...i forgot sugar in my tea. :( |
| 15:04:21 | <PhantomTypist> | should i post it to youtube, lol |
| 15:04:28 | <Billy549> | no put it in ABot ;) |
| 15:04:40 | <PhantomTypist> | no clue what that is |
| 15:04:54 | <Billy549> | archivebot |
| 15:08:13 | <PhantomTypist> | almost up |
| 15:08:41 | <PhantomTypist> | but man, when you listen... it sounds so similar to him now... but 30+ years ago |
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| 15:09:16 | <Dallas> | Oh cnn stopped covering it |
| 15:09:21 | <Dallas> | Is it on cspan? |
| 15:09:22 | <PhantomTypist> | https://archive.org/details/trump-11th-hour-wnet-interview-1989-wojdg-d-8-cb-9g |
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| 15:10:13 | <PhantomTypist> | Robert Lipsyte _HATED_ trump. he would always grill him when interviewing him. WNET was a local NYC channel and they fucking hated trump. |
| 15:10:48 | <PhantomTypist> | enjoy :D |
| 15:11:35 | <PhantomTypist> | lol, back in the day he was blaming Japan and Germany for our bad economy. just swap out the words for China and Mexico |
| 15:12:43 | <Dallas> | cool my C-Span stream has NO SOUND |
| 15:12:44 | <PhantomTypist> | "America is being ripped off by the richest countries in the world", lol, sounds familiar |
| 15:13:00 | <Dallas> | Oh ty, I'll watch that while I wait for c-spam to come back |
| 15:13:44 | <Dallas> | nvm back already I added that to my watch list PhantomTypist ty |
| 15:19:42 | <Dallas> | This whole yielding time system is confusing the hell outta me ngl |
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| 15:28:03 | <jut> | I want to hear what the republican reperesenatative who supports Qanon has to say |
| 15:30:20 | <Dallas> | I doubt they're letting him speak loool |
| 15:31:09 | <Dallas> | So does the way this work is that each party has x amount of time they have to split between the people they want to speak ? |
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| 15:32:03 | <jut> | Thats what I thought |
| 15:32:21 | <jut> | This like an american civics lesson |
| 15:34:26 | <PhantomTypist> | @jut, which one? |
| 15:34:50 | <PhantomTypist> | there's multiple that believe in Qanon, including one new lady, very young and she likes to bring guns everywhere |
| 15:35:32 | <PhantomTypist> | they actually want to arrest her because they just found out during the insurrection this representative was tweeting the location of pelosi, lol |
| 15:35:37 | <PhantomTypist> | like how fucking dumb you gotta be |
| 15:35:53 | <jut> | Yeah I was thinking of her |
| 15:35:54 | <PhantomTypist> | her name is Lauren Boebert |
| 15:36:10 | <Dallas> | PhantomTypist> they actually want to arrest her because they just found out during the insurrection this representative was tweeting the location of pelosi, lol |
| 15:36:10 | <Dallas> | SHE FUCKING WHAT! |
| 15:36:20 | <Dallas> | Surely that is criminal |
| 15:36:24 | <PhantomTypist> | apparently she got into a huge argument today with the cops because she wanted to bring in her gun |
| 15:36:41 | <PhantomTypist> | yeah, it is... i think the mood is they want her to resign as wel |
| 15:37:39 | <PhantomTypist> | she doesn't have all the cups in her cupboard |
| 15:37:41 | <Dallas> | ohh the hammer has been hit |
| 15:38:07 | <Dallas> | This was a fun one https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/newly-elected-illinois-congresswoman-mary-miller-says-e2-80-98hitler-was-right-on-one-thing-e2-80-99-at-pro-trump-rally-in-dc/ar-BB1cx2RH |
| 15:39:21 | <PhantomTypist> | yeah, we got some crazies |
| 15:39:30 | <Dallas> | I'm glad DC is on the east coast or I'd have to be up so fucking late to watch this shit |
| 15:39:41 | <Dallas> | Can you guys recall representatives ? |
| 15:40:13 | <PhantomTypist> | probably not the exact word we use, but yeah, there's methods |
| 15:40:31 | <PhantomTypist> | they usually pressure them to resign first |
| 15:40:31 | <Dallas> | here if at least one in ten voters in the constituency sign a petition to recall, a new election is triggered |
| 15:40:57 | <PhantomTypist> | they can also be censured, which means they can never hold office at the federal level again |
| 15:41:02 | <Dallas> | Yeah but that requires them having some honor lol |
| 15:41:17 | <Dallas> | oh damn, hopefully a few of the nazi ones get hit with that lol |
| 15:41:23 | <PhantomTypist> | some of them resign, ones with half a brain |
| 15:41:53 | <PhantomTypist> | thats why they want to impeach orange. if you succeed with impeachment you can then censure the person |
| 15:42:00 | <PhantomTypist> | ^for the president level |
| 15:43:41 | <Dallas> | I mean good him having any office again sounds terrifying |
| 15:45:14 | <PhantomTypist> | so, this is the crazy people we gotta deal with https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/rep-lauren-boebert-loads-gun-walks-around-dc-in-new-video/ |
| 15:45:52 | <PhantomTypist> | you can't make this shit up. it's almost like an SNL satire skit |
| 15:46:06 | <PhantomTypist> | at first you think "this is just comedy, right?" |
| 15:46:58 | <Dallas> | omg, if she'd had her gun do you reckon she'd have been pointing it at the terrorists or the democrats ? :/ |
| 15:47:23 | <Dallas> | s a european seeing someone just casually holding a gun like that and walking around is terrifying |
| 15:47:31 | <PhantomTypist> | she's actually the reason why they started searching and metal detectoring all the congressmen/women yesterday. |
| 15:47:54 | <PhantomTypist> | they think she was bringing her gun with her.... which is basically what she said in the video. it's actually illegal in the capitol |
| 15:48:25 | <PhantomTypist> | and i guess she actually brought her gun today and they told her it wasn't allowed in there. on top of that, she was messaging the location of pelosi during the insurrection. |
| 15:48:50 | <PhantomTypist> | pretty sure she's gonna lose her job |
| 15:48:50 | <jut> | As a Lithuanian the craziest, crazies of our parliament seem harmless compared to this |
| 15:49:08 | <PhantomTypist> | it never was this crazy until the Qanon conspiracy stuff came along |
| 15:49:37 | <PhantomTypist> | mad props to russia though. well played |
| 15:50:26 | <jut> | Yeah you are way behind in combating russian propaganda |
| 15:50:43 | <PhantomTypist> | i heard all the eastern european countries are very on top of that |
| 15:50:59 | <PhantomTypist> | like there's fucking nightly TV shows that debunk this crap |
| 15:52:10 | <PhantomTypist> | i'm a firm believe that most humans are just plain fucking dumb. you gotta combat campaigns of misinformation otherwise the dumb people drink it up |
| 15:55:44 | <jut> | The independent TV station Laisvės TV had a series on Russian propaganda and how it works, they had experts from the government and accademia to dive very deeply in to how it works. |
| 15:55:51 | <jut> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRCz5O4HesM&list=PL8TBk5U1IzT6Aeb4HqqjzyYDOVhrYEg2p |
| 15:56:04 | <jut> | Sadly no english subtitles available |
| 15:56:23 | <PhantomTypist> | we need something like that here. |
| 15:58:12 | <PhantomTypist> | this one govt group back in the 80's did research and came up with what they think the FSB disinformation playbook steps are for campaigns. |
| 15:58:40 | <PhantomTypist> | one of the "steps" was finding a quote, "useful idiot" to perpetuate the information |
| 15:58:50 | <PhantomTypist> | lol, they found many useful idiots this time |
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| 16:02:55 | <jut> | The series 13 parts cover: Conspiracy theories,(1991) January 13th (the day russians attacked), Propaganda through religion, Propaganda through sport, Ways of kremlin propaganda, Propaganda through humour, Molotov-Ribentrop pact, The West is Evil, Trolls and Bots, Russian Culture, Propaganda about the Lithuanian military, Illegal Lithuanian state, Forrest brothers (Lithuanian |
| 16:02:57 | <jut> | seperatist) as criminals. |
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| 16:29:51 | <Dallas> | Finding idiots is easy, twitter gives you a live search of outspoken people to find them in |
| 16:32:18 | <Dallas> | Unfortunately misinformation tends to be a lot more interesting than actual information |
| 16:35:40 | <Dallas> | Damn US medical ads always throw me right off haha |
| 16:37:44 | <Billy549> | US medical ads are *weird* |
| 16:37:45 | <Billy549> | NHS <3 |
| 16:38:22 | <Dallas> | until it's dismantled completely :/ |
| 16:39:02 | <Dallas> | There was some tiktok where a guy went round london asking people how much they thought it cost to have a baby in the US and everyone was shocked it wasn't free |
| 16:43:03 | <Billy549> | if the Conservatives manage to fuck with NHS Wales I'd be surprised |
| 16:43:09 | <Billy549> | We still have free prescriptions, never changed |
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| 17:04:04 | <Dallas> | :( |
| 17:04:17 | <Dallas> | As someone in london I'm jealous |
| 17:11:19 | <PhantomTypist> | i honestly wouldn't mind paying higher taxes to just plain not have to worry about medical bills |
| 17:16:45 | <kiiwiiwastaken> | So when making a warc of a website, it compresses it into a gzip archive, do y'all think I could get more compression by using zstd or should I not recompress it? |
| 17:18:30 | <OrIdow6> | It may, don't know what tools support zstd |
| 17:18:52 | <OrIdow6> | Because you need one stream per record |
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| 17:19:28 | <kiiwiiwastaken> | oh |
| 17:19:38 | <AK> | Some of the urls I spot us archiving makes me laugh: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-US&q=chicken+wings&content=1 |
| 17:19:52 | <atphoenix> | There are a certain set of goods and services most of us desire. Health care/medical care is one of them. Police and fire protection is another. If the cost of paying for these via taxes (think economy of scale) is less than the cost of paying for them individually, I'd rather pay for them via taxes. After all, that would mean I'm left with more discretionary income in the end. Also, health care needs to be decoupled from |
| 17:19:52 | <atphoenix> | employment. They're only tied together at the hip due to a WWII wage freeze. |
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| 17:21:31 | <atphoenix> | (Note: that comment is written from a US context, but the principle goes beyond it.) |
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| 17:28:22 | <brabo> | atphoenix: i agree that it needs to be decoupled. where i have my residency it doesn't matter what your employment status is, everyone pays same extremelly low amount for state healthcare |
| 17:29:12 | <brabo> | there is private healthinsurances some employers offer as a bonus, which mostly is hospitalization insurance that pays every cent of your own part for you, and sometimes pays extra for things as a single room or so |
| 17:30:11 | <brabo> | it doesn't come out of taxes either, but is fully paid by employers in the form of social contributions (which are often higher than the wages before taxes..) |
| 17:32:30 | <kiiwiiwastaken> | Alrighty, I'mma recompress them as .zstd and when I need to access them I'll simply decompress it |
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| 17:36:08 | <atphoenix> | eh, I don't think it really matters whether the funds come from employers (who then pay less in wages) or instead from employees (who could receive more in wages but pay higher taxes) . I'm fine with an approach where one can pay for bonus services (like ensuring single rooms) that aren't directly related to access/quality/level of care. |
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| 20:01:17 | <Dallas> | The nhs isn’t perfect but I’ve never had had to decide between paying rent or getting a broken bone fixed so I’m cool with |
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| 20:10:40 | <atphoenix> | In the US, people *die* because they can't afford healthcare. And many rely on the most expensive (from a societal perspective) form of healthcare (emergency rooms) because ERs are required to stablize patients (although not required to do anything more than stabilize a situation). So ERs become revolving doors for certain uninsured patients where they are minimally treated, released, and then their condition gets worse |
| 20:10:40 | <atphoenix> | again, and they return. |
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| 21:15:17 | <EggplantN> | NHS is a fuck nest |
| 21:15:21 | <EggplantN> | *fest |
| 21:15:23 | <EggplantN> | but we love it |
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| 21:30:37 | <yano> | nest? |
| 21:30:39 | <yano> | lol |
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| 22:13:28 | <atphoenix> | it's almost like that is a typo the world intended us to see |
| 22:21:44 | <Billy549> | EggplantN: NHS is awful because the Conservative govt try to keep it awful |
| 22:21:46 | <Billy549> | but I would NEVER let it go |
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| 22:37:02 | <Billy549> | https://twitter.com/colinwmd/status/1349485018549276676?s=20 |
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| 22:52:28 | <Dallas> | So like did tiktok ban him bc the fucking irony if that's the only platform left for him |
| 22:52:49 | <Dallas> | Also no tumblr ban, and a rando has the realdonaldtrump blog and was shit posting last I saw |
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| 23:14:49 | <atphoenix> | he has all his business domain names and http://trumptower.ru/ is for sale ... |
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| 23:29:05 | <AK> | Anyone had any experience with Hetzner forgiving debts and unlocking accounts after 11 months? :/ |
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