| 00:03:41 | <OrIdow6> | In any case, this is too important for -ot |
| 00:03:54 | <OrIdow6> | Too on-topic, I should say |
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| 00:59:36 | <DogsRNice> | i mean to be honest i dont see much distenction between them so its hard to tell where i should put something |
| 01:00:20 | <@JAA> | Discussion about archiving things should go into -bs, discussion about just about anything else goes here. |
| 01:01:07 | <Doranwen> | DogsRNice: if you're talking about a site that's going down and needs saving, then -bs is the place to talk about that - if you're talking about anything that's not specifically "this needs archiving" or how to archive it, then this is the channel for that |
| 01:01:17 | <Doranwen> | JAA: lol sorry, I typed too slow, you beat me ;) |
| 01:02:08 | <@JAA> | :-) |
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| 03:05:23 | <flashfire42> | man australian licencing folks are fucking tight asses I dont want to watch texas chainsaw massacre 2 or evil dead 2 I want to watch the first movies in the series first |
| 03:06:01 | <@JAA> | Arrrr! |
| 03:06:15 | <flashfire42> | I try and avoid piracy but they dont make it easy to not pirate shit |
| 03:06:33 | <flashfire42> | I say that having 7 movie torrents running |
| 03:07:28 | <flashfire42> | these ones are for my little sister cause mum wont let me put a VPN on her laptop to jump around netflix geoblockers |
| 03:07:39 | <@JAA> | Movie companies: build platforms and licencing schemes that make it annoying for people to consume content legitimately. |
| 03:07:44 | <@JAA> | People: don't put up with that shit. |
| 03:07:52 | <@JAA> | Movie companies: surprised_pikachu.png |
| 03:08:58 | <flashfire42> | Exactly. To this day I still havent seen REC 2 3 and 4 because they were only available on japanese netflix in japanese and I am not spending $40 on a single DVD because nobody wants to sell a movie for a reasonable price to me |
| 03:09:05 | <@Fusl> | reminds me on the usual "lets watch movie xyz" where movie "xyz" isnt available for streaming, buying, etc. or costs 200-300+ euros on amazon for a sd dvd version |
| 03:09:13 | <@JAA> | Maybe they'll learn some day. Until then, every torrent download is equivalent to murdering a newborn or something. |
| 03:09:14 | <flashfire42> | Exactly |
| 03:10:17 | <flashfire42> | As much as having one company have a monopoly over streaming is bad I would rather that than the 20 streaming companies that have popped up |
| 03:10:39 | <@JAA> | Another thing that annoys me is when some releases of a movie are obviously much worse quality than others. I haven't been following things lately, but in the past, Japanese BDs consistently had a higher video and audio quality than European or US ones. |
| 03:11:22 | <flashfire42> | Dont get me started on bluray "Remasters" that completely butcher the originals |
| 03:11:54 | <flashfire42> | https://www.boredpanda.com/disney-animated-movies-ciderella-blu-ray-restoration-ruined-detail/ ignore the fact it is on bored panda but this is actually fucking horrifying |
| 03:12:29 | <flashfire42> | https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/disney-animated-movies-ciderella-blu-ray-restoration-ruined-detail-5dc51ed00bd8a-png__700.jpg |
| 03:12:33 | <flashfire42> | wtf even is this |
| 03:13:51 | <flashfire42> | that and upscaling I think its called dont get me started on a rant on that too |
| 03:14:34 | <@JAA> | For extra fun, look into ESIR's Planet Earth hybrid encode from some years ago. The publishers couldn't be bothered to make any one good release. Instead, the various releases all had some sort of video encoding issues, but all in different scenes. So ESIR took all that and combined the different sources into the best possible video stream. It's insane how much work went into that. |
| 03:15:22 | <flashfire42> | I mean australias solution to fighting anime piracy and at the same time the dreaded Child Exploitation was to ban all hentai imports. Because thats not gonna drive the market underground. |
| 03:15:24 | <atphoenix> | there is a societal/moral problem when a civil/economic concern is deemed of higher importance and with greater penalties than causing physical harm to another person |
| 03:15:36 | <@JAA> | The description for that release had like 1000 screenshots for comparison between the different versions. |
| 03:16:18 | <flashfire42> | atphoenix I could get less time in prison for kicking a homeless man unconscious in the street than for being caught with a hard drive full of pirated movies with active torrents running |
| 03:16:30 | <@JAA> | Ah yes, that's another fun one, flashfire42. Because prohibition has always worked greatly. |
| 03:16:50 | <atphoenix> | flashfire42, yes, that is an example of what I'm referring to. |
| 03:17:26 | <flashfire42> | In theory all of these ideas are great but its fucking awful put into practice. These days people are actively discouraged from buying physical releases and getting their content all digital but then when you try and do that YOU CANT FUCKING FIND IT |
| 03:18:00 | <@JAA> | Kicking a homeless man unconscious? Try pedophilia and terrorism. No, really: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140904/06173628411/australian-movie-studio-says-piracy-is-equivalent-pedophilia-terrorism.shtml |
| 03:18:11 | <atphoenix> | market fragmentation is happening again too...Netflix vs Amazon Prime Video vs Hulu vs DisneyPlus vs ____ |
| 03:18:51 | <atphoenix> | fragmentation creates incentives to buy 1, pirate the rest, or simply say 'F it, pirate all' |
| 03:19:18 | <atphoenix> | and that's not counting the regional fragmentation |
| 03:19:38 | <@JAA> | Oh, also, if you have a BD player, it might just suddenly stop playing back new movies because fuck you. |
| 03:19:59 | <flashfire42> | actually disney now owns Hulu by a majority share holding but they still charge you separately because something something illusion of choiec |
| 03:22:56 | <flashfire42> | atphoenix you want to talk about regional issues let me jump to another thing that makes me angry. Playstation now never reached australia so I have to rely on emulation or actual old hardware plugged in but of course the hardware isnt designed to last that long and emulation is another piracy thing and we all know piracy is as bad as pedophillia |
| 03:22:57 | <flashfire42> | and terrorism |
| 03:26:51 | <flashfire42> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_Australia also banned films because CENSORSHIP FUCK YEAH |
| 03:27:41 | <atphoenix> | so...is there a consensus on which country has the most sane set of laws in regards to these matters, or matters in general? The US clearly does not qualify. |
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| 03:30:40 | <flashfire42> | I mean Iran doesnt give a fuck at all when it comes to piracy and I think the country JAA is in is alright |
| 03:31:25 | <@JAA> | Swiss laws are pretty good in that unlicenced downloads are legal as is sharing copyrighted content with few people, e.g. close friends, family, etc. |
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| 03:33:07 | <@JAA> | It's also legal to circumvent copy protection mechanisms for private use. Well, to be precise, it isn't, but it can't be enforced under those circumstances, so whatever. |
| 03:35:15 | <flashfire42> | I mean afaik what I am doing right now could land me a fine of several thousand dollars and that is just putting a movie that I have bought onto a hard drive so my little sister can watch it easily |
| 03:42:20 | <atphoenix> | Upscaling for the sake of upscaling is ridiculous. "But it's 4K!" they say. (roll eyes). Now, if techniques like superresolution are being applied...maybe there is a point. |
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| 04:13:52 | | Topic: Wanna bikeshed about the topic? | We can't be back on our bullshit if we were never off our bullshit FOREHEADTAP.GIF |
| 04:13:52 | | Topic set by Fusl at 2019-09-06 21:43:25Z |
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| 04:20:31 | <Ryz> | 2020 in a nutshell: https://i.imgur.com/8NYNMsa.gif |
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| 13:41:20 | <themadpro> | Here's an idea: Why not share some of the gems I send to #youtubearchive on here as well |
| 13:41:50 | <themadpro> | if a tree falls and no one hears it and all, am I right? |
| 13:42:36 | <themadpro> | Kicking things off, here's an 8-bit cover of Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyIsBo4Hj6g |
| 13:42:40 | <themadpro> | [FULL ALBUM] |
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| 16:07:27 | <atphoenix> | themadpro, that reminds me of Amiga mod files. https://modarchive.org/ . Also the MOD4WIN player. MODs had wonderfully light CPU requirements compared to MP3s. A 386 could play them without any problem, and they were usually very small. |
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| 17:16:15 | <themadpro> | 🆒 |
| 17:17:54 | <Doranwen> | mm, Amiga <3 |
| 17:18:10 | | Doranwen has many fond memories of the one from her childhood - which she still has in boxes somewhere |
| 17:19:08 | <Doranwen> | (the only thing I'm bummed about is a friend helped transfer disks to adf files or whatever they are - and goofed somehow and ended up partially overwriting the boot disk, so now I can never use it and I have no idea how one can get a fixed copy) |
| 17:33:34 | <wessel1512> | dus some one known what's going on with rsync://hel1.kurt.gg:8875 |
| 17:34:09 | <wessel1512> | i cant offload my containers to it |
| 17:37:29 | <atphoenix> | I have the same problem wessel1512. max connections errors. |
| 17:37:52 | <atphoenix> | I think Kaz runs that one |
| 17:38:32 | <wessel1512> | non of my containers are uploading so it isn't a ip thing |
| 17:38:32 | <atphoenix> | Doranwen, your Amiga bootdisk is overwritten? Do you mean Kickstart? |
| 17:46:14 | <Doranwen> | yeah |
| 17:46:21 | <Doranwen> | atphoenix: that's what I mean, I think |
| 17:46:40 | <Doranwen> | it was one of the Amiga disks you insert in, just had "boot disk" written on it |
| 17:46:49 | <Doranwen> | half the games required that |
| 17:47:01 | <Doranwen> | so I could still boot up some of the ones that didn't, but not the rest |
| 17:54:41 | <atphoenix> | I bet that was a Kickstart (ROM) disk. There are multiple versions of it. You can read more at http://www.amigakickstart.com/ amongst other places. Now you have some search terms to work with :) |
| 18:26:10 | <atphoenix> | wessel1512, my container is now uploading |
| 18:26:34 | <wessel1512> | same |
| 18:39:40 | <wessel1512> | and its dead |
| 18:42:36 | <Doranwen> | atphoenix: that's not the problem - the problem is I don't have the equipment to put a good copy back on the disk |
| 18:42:55 | <@JAA> | wessel1512: This doesn't belong here. Since it affects multiple projects, -bs. |
| 18:42:56 | <Doranwen> | nor really the time or money to pay for someone to do it, lol |
| 18:43:18 | <Doranwen> | so it just sits in boxes in my storage space in our garage |
| 18:43:42 | <wessel1512> | one if my containers stopped mid upload |
| 18:44:33 | <wessel1512> | ist overloaded i tink |
| 18:45:23 | <@JAA> | wessel1512: This doesn't belong here. Since it affects multiple projects, -bs. |
| 18:45:24 | <wessel1512> | ore it cant upload fast enough to archive.org |
| 18:46:08 | <wessel1512> | ok i will take it to bs |
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| 23:26:40 | <betamax> | Doranwen: what model of Amiga? I have two 500s and a 2000, although the 2000 has battery corrosion and needs serious repair |
| 23:29:42 | <Doranwen> | I honestly cannot remember now… I would have to go find the box and see |
| 23:33:38 | <betamax> | one way to narrow it down is if you remember if the computer is integrated into the keyboard or in a separate box |
| 23:35:30 | <betamax> | this is, of course, of no consequence, so please don't go digging it out now on my account :P |
| 23:39:19 | <atphoenix> | whatever you do, don't discard it. There is plenty of interest in old Amigas. |
| 23:48:33 | <betamax> | not sure if you were talking to me or Doranwen, but if it was me, don't worry - I'm.... very good at not getting rid of things (looks across at shelving unit full of old Macs, Amigas, Amstrads, and a BBC Micro) :P |
| 23:50:06 | <Doranwen> | oh I definitely do not intend to discard the Amiga |
| 23:50:23 | <Doranwen> | I want it back to working condition, lol |
| 23:50:41 | <Doranwen> | and iirc the computer is behind the keyboard in a single unit |
| 23:51:02 | <Doranwen> | but it was upgraded some from the original so it's not the most basic version of it |
| 23:51:58 | | Doranwen used to play Discovery Spell and Hole-in-One and Major Motion and Donald Duck's Playground - among other things, lol |