| 00:09:32 | <h2ibot> | Usernam edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine (+201): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=63154&oldid=63118 |
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| 00:30:25 | <apergos> | probably extremely late to the party, but is it safe to assume that people are already aware of the shutdown at the end of the month of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DataLounge ? |
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| 01:22:58 | <mindrecent> | apergos: it's on deathwatch but I haven't seen anything else about it (I'm new though). |
| 01:30:57 | <IDK> | love how data.world is returning 429 even on brand new IP |
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| 01:40:23 | <Tom1992> | Excuse me, how can I find a recent status of archiving https://fami-net.no-ip.org/mirrors/qt/unofficial_builds? |
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| 04:46:29 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Distributed recursive crawls (+75, Candidates: Add https://www.militar.org.ua/): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=63155&oldid=63142 |
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| 09:09:26 | <@arkiver> | nicolas17: doesn't AB do that? i'm not sure |
| 09:09:39 | <@arkiver> | #Y can let you do that eventually, but remember there is a bloom filter |
| 09:10:05 | <@arkiver> | hmm but i think i can add an option to turn the bloom filter off but then disallow recursive archiving |
| 09:10:11 | <@arkiver> | nicolas17: what do you think of that? ^ |
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| 10:10:31 | <Yna> | Getting 429'd hardcode from dataworld |
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| 11:44:43 | <h2ibot> | Brad edited WhatsApp (+147, Added more technical infomation and 3rd party…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=63156&oldid=52461 |
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| 12:46:04 | <fuzzy80211> | arkiver may want a few more retries. the few l9gs i had before the code update looked like i generally needed between 5 and 10 minutes to get past the 429. new code is aborting after 4 mins |
| 12:46:49 | <fuzzy80211> | on dataworld |
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| 13:03:13 | <@arkiver> | fuzzy80211: understood, adding that |
| 13:11:10 | <Yna> | Yeah, submitting very little so far |
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| 14:02:02 | <Yna> | Nevermind, it does not appear to be working at all |
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| 14:09:17 | <h2ibot> | Cruller edited Data.world (+987, Organized the shutdown into a section. (To make…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=63157&oldid=63144 |
| 14:11:17 | <h2ibot> | Cruller edited Deathwatch (-14, /* 2026-07 */ Changed data.world into an…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=63158&oldid=63128 |
| 14:11:19 | <@arkiver> | thanks cruller |
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| 14:15:57 | <cruller|irc> | :D |
| 14:16:17 | <cruller|irc> | BTW, I found another archival discussion/project: Quick! Let's save our TV Time discussions, together, before they're gone (July 15th) https://old.reddit.com/r/TVTime/comments/1usu5k1/quick_lets_save_our_tv_time_discussions_together/ |
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| 14:57:35 | <klea> | Uhh, that's a deadline of 1d? |
| 14:58:04 | <Yna> | Sounds reasonable |
| 14:58:39 | <@arkiver> | looking into audioleaf.com for a project |
| 14:59:41 | <@arkiver> | for nicotalk, does anyone just get the nicotalk.com string on http://www.nicotalk.com/ ? |
| 14:59:44 | <@arkiver> | not sure if it's still up |
| 15:00:03 | <Yna> | Yes |
| 15:00:41 | <justauser> | Same for me. |
| 15:01:04 | <@arkiver> | i ee |
| 15:01:06 | <@arkiver> | i see |
| 15:01:54 | <nicolas17> | arkiver: afaik archivebot doesn't deduplicate data unfortunately (if two URLs in the same list return identical files, the data will be stored twice in the warc) |
| 15:02:01 | <@arkiver> | look like datalounge (shutting down end of this month) was archived with AB https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/2026062605192221mqp |
| 15:02:27 | <@arkiver> | nicolas17: yes and also since each URL is an individual item, #Y would not work |
| 15:03:06 | <justauser> | Doesn't really work in AB. |
| 15:03:17 | <justauser> | JAA wanted to qwarc it? |
| 15:03:43 | <klea> | Wget-AT would also work, but it needs someone with collection:web access to do it. |
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| 15:10:40 | <@arkiver> | JAA: is it correct AB does not deduplicate records URL-agnostically? |
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| 15:14:46 | <klea> | AB only dedupes URLs from the same job, and even if on the same job, if there's two different URLs which return the same content, it'll store the same content twice. (AFAIK) |
| 15:18:27 | <@arkiver> | understood |
| 15:19:05 | <@arkiver> | disk space is so expensive nowadays, i wonder if we should start calculating duplicate data per AB job and potential savings |
| 15:19:16 | <@arkiver> | then run somethig to deduplicate URL-agnostically when savings can be high |
| 15:19:32 | <klea> | Note IIRC it will refetch on non successful status codes a few times IIRC?, not exactly sure how that works, but IIRC some codes are considered success when sometimes that's not desired, and then people need to ask JAA to requeue stuff. |
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| 15:20:14 | <klea> | IIRC there's an issue for certain URLs to be ran only once, and they are added to a ignore set when possible. |
| 15:20:39 | <nicolas17> | oh yeah that too |
| 15:20:54 | <klea> | (The badvideos ignore set) |
| 15:20:55 | <nicolas17> | there's stuff like Google Fonts which are archived on multiple jobs |
| 15:21:01 | <@arkiver> | are the response records with bad status code saved in the WARC? |
| 15:21:06 | <klea> | IIRC yes. |
| 15:21:08 | <justauser> | I think so. |
| 15:21:11 | <nicolas17> | and now WBM has thousands of copies of each (same URL) |
| 15:21:38 | <justauser> | 404 and 403 are considered successes and are not retried. |
| 15:22:30 | <justauser> | #jseater has a global deduplication database IIRC. |
| 15:22:50 | <klea> | warcprox to be specific does that. |
| 15:23:26 | <klea> | IIRC JAA's #UncleSamsArchive project for the Epstein files also has a dedupe db, or makes revisit records. |
| 15:24:03 | <klea> | Also, it'd be neat to have the source code for the qwarc jobs for that, but the source is included in the warcs, which are ARId, so that's fun. |
| 15:25:54 | <klea> | https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot/issues/443 Is the dedupe for specific URLs (currently those URLs are thrown into the badvideos ignore set, but there's a queue of stuff to add to the ignore sets because time) |
| 15:25:54 | <klea> | https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot/issues/464 Refused connections not retried. |
| 15:25:54 | <klea> | No issue (I think?) for the 403 and 404 as success. |
| 15:27:34 | <nicolas17> | hm I agree with arkiver that we should measure the extent of the problem first... |
| 15:27:46 | <klea> | True. |
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| 15:31:11 | <cruller|irc> | arkiver: That URL http://www.nicotalk.com/ has been in that state for a very long time. The site is alive. It's a very small site, but the internal links aren't working, so I'll collect the URLs and share them. |
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| 15:34:48 | <@arkiver> | ah |
| 15:34:52 | <@arkiver> | hopefully that can go into AB |
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| 16:14:27 | <c3manu> | can someone here help me with this S3 bucket thing? the manuals for Oneplus aren't discovered due to the JS-heavy website |
| 16:14:52 | <c3manu> | i downloaded a PDF using this URL, and would like to get a list with all of them :) https://s3.eu-west-3.amazonaws.com/par-sow-cms-oppo-com/cms/userManual/manual/fee86647-7fe1-4de9-a522-873a998e41ff/OnePlus%2015%20Quick%20Guide.pdf |
| 16:15:04 | <c3manu> | found that specific PDF from https://service.oneplus.com/dk/user-manual#/detail?equipmentModelId=1979231480117637121 |
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| 16:21:23 | <c3manu> | i know about the scripts in little-things, but i don't know which one expects what kind of URL |
| 16:22:28 | <justauser> | The bucket doesn't appear open? |
| 16:24:12 | <c3manu> | what would it looks like if it weren't? |
| 16:24:29 | <justauser> | Like a list of files in XML. |
| 16:24:43 | <c3manu> | on which URL? |
| 16:24:52 | <c3manu> | https://s3.eu-west-3.amazonaws.com/par-sow-cms-oppo-com/ ? |
| 16:25:19 | <justauser> | I think so... |
| 16:26:28 | <klea> | Oh, another possible use of the deduped thing would be for S3 buckets, which have two different URLs. |
| 16:26:56 | <c3manu> | dangit |
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| 16:29:17 | <klea> | Sample open buckets: https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/umbrella-static/ (also available as https://umbrella-static.s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/) |
| 16:30:23 | <c3manu> | thanks you both |
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| 16:38:16 | <c3manu> | i'd be open for suggestions on how to gather a list of those pdf files for #archivebot ...one that's better than "manually" :) |
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| 16:39:02 | <c3manu> | mostly for the manuals/pdfs on https://service.oneplus.com/ |
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| 16:45:20 | <fuzzy80211> | arkiver on dataworld, not sure how long one should wait. still seeing aborts after waiting 28 minutes |
| 16:46:19 | <@arkiver> | fuzzy80211: i am starting to get the feeling there is some kind of global limit, either in general, or with one of our headers or something |
| 16:46:31 | <@arkiver> | which means i should probably decreasse item rate |
| 16:46:39 | <@arkiver> | will do that now and see what happens |
| 16:46:57 | <fuzzy80211> | with sleeping that long, not sure rate limit has a practical affect |
| 16:48:14 | <@arkiver> | perhaps, but maybe they count 429 responses as well in their limit |
| 16:48:54 | <fuzzy80211> | if thats the case, should you put in a higher429 immediately instead of starting at 2s |
| 16:49:14 | <fuzzy80211> | start at 120? |
| 16:59:43 | <Yna> | Yeah im having trouble getting anything |
| 17:02:21 | <justauser> | Transfer bork? |
| 17:02:45 | <justauser> | 500 on uploads. |
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| 17:12:31 | <edideaur7> | hi, wanted to let y'all know krakenfiles.com is shutting down as per their announcement 2 days ago. Thank you. |
| 17:14:21 | <justauser> | Announcement link? |
| 17:21:28 | <Yna> | Not seeing one, either |
| 17:25:38 | <edideaur7> | used to be on their site, not sure what happened to it. uploading a screengrab now, |
| 17:28:42 | <edideaur7> | getting 500 errors from transfer.archiveteam.org, https://files.catbox.moe/q6o0iz.png |
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| 17:30:45 | <edideaur7> | either way, i'm not sure if distributed archival is possible as they enforce CAPCHA on download pages. |
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| 18:04:00 | <@JAA> | arkiver: AB doesn't currently write revisit records under any circumstances (including when the same URL is fetched multiple times, e.g. via redirects). |
| 18:05:52 | <pokechu22> | AB also uses gz, not zstd |
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| 18:08:00 | <HP_Archivist> | https://transfer.archivete.am down for anyone else? won't accept an upload |
| 18:09:45 | <pokechu22> | I've seen others say that yeah |
| 18:11:23 | <klea> | I got "Could not save metadata" when testing it now. |
| 18:11:28 | <klea> | JAA ^ |
| 18:12:05 | <@JAA> | Yep, already investigating. |
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| 18:21:30 | <@JAA> | Should be fixed. |
| 18:25:07 | <klea> | Seems to work. |
| 18:30:41 | <HP_Archivist> | Thank you JAA |
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| 20:09:39 | <Webuser843256> | Hi! I don't know how this all works but I was wondering if you could help me with a request. I'm trying to track down the contents of a Storify.com link from 2015 and was told that ArchiveTeam scraped Storify before it went down. The link is http://storify.com/KIRORadio/shutdowna14-protests-block-streets-in-downtown-se. Any help/leads would be much |
| 20:09:39 | <Webuser843256> | appreciated! |
| 20:21:56 | <@JAA> | Webuser843256: Hi, I'm the one who ran that back in the day. That post should be archived, but it's not currently accessible in any sensible way. But if this content is extremely important to you and you have a very high pain tolerance, I can give you some hints at where to dig. Make sure to bring a big showel or, better, an excavator... |
| 20:26:34 | <Webuser843256> | Hey, thanks so much! Any hints would be amazing. |
| 20:27:52 | <Webuser843256> | I know a guy with a backhoe... |
| 20:28:59 | <@JAA> | It's in the 650 GiB tar in https://archive.org/details/Archiveteam_Storify_Raw_Data_2018 and probably closer to the beginning (i.e. lower WARC number) than the end. Should've been archived at about 2018-05-10 09:50. |
| 20:30:25 | <@JAA> | I still want to sort that data out and get it into the WBM, but it's not a trivial task. |
| 20:35:38 | <klea> | hmm, why is the data in a tar to avoid getting WBM indexed? |
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| 20:40:31 | <Webuser843256> | Yeah it doesn't sound trivial! Thank you. I'm looking at the file listing and it only shows timestamps from June 2018, which aren't the same as the capture dates (if it was captured in May). I figure you don't have the WARC number for that capture...? |
| 20:41:32 | | klea downloads the entire tar, to untar and gencdx it. |
| 20:42:26 | <@JAA> | I don't. You can try to look at the beginnings of each file to figure out which one contains the right time window. |
| 20:42:42 | <@JAA> | The timestamps are 'wrong' due to an intermediate transfer of the data. |
| 20:42:47 | <@JAA> | (IIRC) |
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| 20:43:07 | <@JAA> | Preserving file metadata is hard. |
| 20:46:05 | <klea> | fun, ETA 19h |
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| 20:49:05 | <c3manu> | excavator for JAA on christmas, got it *checks notes* |
| 20:49:57 | <@JAA> | :-) |
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| 21:03:27 | <Webuser843256> | Thanks all! I'm going offline for a bit but I'll watch the logs of this channel & let you know if I have any luck. 👷♀️ |
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| 22:02:24 | <klea> | c3manu: curl -X POST https://sow-cms-fr.oneplus.com/oppo-api/officialWebsiteEquipmentUserManual/v1/list --data-binary '{}' -H 'Content-Type: application/json' |
| 22:03:10 | <klea> | https://transfer.archivete.am/dIVzF/sow-cms-fr.oneplus.com_oppo-api_officialWebsiteEquipmentUserManual_v1_list.json.zst |
| 22:04:17 | <klea> | Then make a bunch of POSTs to https://sow-cms-fr.oneplus.com/oppo-api/officialWebsiteEquipmentUserManual/v1/detail with a json like {"region":"en","equipmentModelId":"1996263580649701377","langId":"3082","isoLanguageCode":"en-US","sourceRoute":"1","brandCode":"12"} but changing the equipmentModelId. |
| 22:08:30 | <klea> | The list seemed to be incomplete with {}, so I replaced it with {"region":"es","equipmentModelId":"1996263580649701377","langId":"3082","isoLanguageCode":"en-US","sourceRoute":"1","brandCode":"12"} and made https://transfer.archivete.am/oyoqG/sow-cms-fr.oneplus.com_oppo-api_officialWebsiteEquipmentUserManual_v1_list_parms_browser.json |
| 22:08:31 | <eggdrop> | inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/oyoqG/sow-cms-fr.oneplus.com_oppo-api_officialWebsiteEquipmentUserManual_v1_list_parms_browser.json |
| 22:11:33 | <klea> | From that I did `jq -r '.data[][].equipmentModelId'|sort|uniq`, making https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/Kn5io/oneplus_modelids.txt (zst) |
| 22:18:52 | <klea> | I put a script to run to get the jsons for each item, will go to eep now. |
| 22:27:54 | <klea> | And I made https://transfer.archivete.am/tI7tN/oneplus.tar.zst, with the list in oneplus/urls.txt, left it there because it has some ' ' and I'm not sure how AB needs it. |
| 22:27:54 | <eggdrop> | inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/tI7tN/oneplus.tar.zst, |
| 22:29:00 | <klea> | I hope that's useful. :) |
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