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02:51:16<nicolas17>do WARCs record IP addresses?
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02:58:53<pokechu22>It records the IP address of the server you're connected to as https://iipc.github.io/warc-specifications/specifications/warc-format/warc-1.1/#warc-ip-address. Your own IP address might be recorded if the server embeds it somewhere but that's not always the case.
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09:25:10<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/active (+95, https://383.su/ is alive): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62805&oldid=62796
09:25:11<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/lost (-141, https://383.su/ is alive): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62806&oldid=62784
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10:43:34<triplecamera|m>Hi. Is there a way to archive Bilibili opus links?
10:43:34<triplecamera|m>Example: https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1212513544520597513
10:46:32<triplecamera|m>grab-site can't handle the JavaScript parts (avatar, images, comments), so I just assume that ArchiveBot would be the same.
10:47:01<triplecamera|m>Previewing WARC created by grab-site: https://transfer.archivete.am/sc1ET/Screenshot%202026-06-23%20at%2018-44-53%20Archive%20of%20%E8%80%BF%E5%90%8C%E5%AD%A6%E8%AE%B2%E6%95%85%E4%BA%8B%E7%9A%84%E5%8A%A8%E6%80%81%20-%20%E5%93%94%E5%93%A9%E5%93%94%E5%93%A9%20ReplayWeb.page.png
10:47:03<eggdrop>inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/sc1ET/Screenshot%202026-06-23%20at%2018-44-53%20Archive%20of%20%E8%80%BF%E5%90%8C%E5%AD%A6%E8%AE%B2%E6%95%85%E4%BA%8B%E7%9A%84%E5%8A%A8%E6%80%81%20-%20%E5%93%94%E5%93%A9%E5%93%94%E5%93%A9%20ReplayWeb.page.png
10:47:37<triplecamera|m>SPN can run JavaScript, but it is blocked by a captcha.
10:47:50<triplecamera|m>https://web.archive.org/web/20260621161353/https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1212513544520597513
10:48:11<triplecamera|m>Screenshot doesn't work either: https://web.archive.org/web/20260621161405/http://web.archive.org/screenshot/https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1212513544520597513
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11:23:52<masterx244|m>can the information used by the javascript derived from the HTML response? if yes a 2-pass capture is needed. first doing the HTML stuff and then at the second pass a extracted list of the JS-assets fed into a non-recursing grab-site as a URL list unless a qwarc-based process is easy to setup (qwarc allows the custom link-extraction with custom code thats run after a file is dl'd)
12:01:12<cruller>Aside from the CAPTCHA issue, brozzler seems to work well: https://mnbot.very-good-quality-co.de/item/a52c7c45-965c-4a12-8d40-25cd343d4a84
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12:08:38<cruller>Those requirements include several POST requests, but simply wpulling them isn't a bad idea.
12:09:11<cruller>s/requirements/requisites/
12:17:43<klea>POST to separate URLs?
12:21:48<cruller>Ah, I wanted to say writing all the requisite urls to input.txt and running "wpull -i input.txt".
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12:48:25<cruller>Another simliar method: "Copy all as cURL" and run them through warcprox.
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12:53:52<cruller>Generally speaking, my methods are inferior to brozzler. However, they can be used when neither Brozzler nor a custom downloader is available, or for analysis purposes when creating a custom downloader.
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14:33:54<triplecamera|m>koichi: brozzler indeed works well. Screenshot looks good.
14:34:51<triplecamera|m>Is there a way to download the WARC? Or is there a way to upload it to the Internet Archive and make it appear in the Wayback Machine?
14:35:18<klea>#jseater uploads it to IA, but it doesn't go into the WBM.
14:37:30<triplecamera|m>masterx244: I think it can be derived, but this requires some reverse-engineering work. Unfortunately I'm not very good at this.
14:37:41<cruller>Yes, "Data is uploaded to @thetechrobo3641's archive.org account": https://archive.org/details/@thetechrobo3641
14:40:49<triplecamera|m>klea: koichi: Thank you. I just joined #jseater.
14:52:27<cruller>BTW, if you want WBM to include the page (or other scripty pages with captcha), perma.cc is also worth a try.
14:53:13<cruller>It is a paid service, but for that very reason, the IP might not be on denylists.
14:54:10<klea>Does the Italian (was it that country)'s SPN service send warcs after a year to IA?
14:54:19<klea>If yes, that's also worth a try.
14:57:10<justauser>Arquivo.pt? I think their pipeline is very slow.
14:58:03<justauser>And JS ability varies - for example, I think it can't do Discourse.
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15:00:09<klea>Yeah, Arquivo.pt.
15:00:43<klea>IIRC They do a blackout (how was the correct term called, I forget) of a year for data, instead of the aprox. 1m of SPN.
15:01:27<klea>(Not sure if SPN changed, but an old document I read on WBM from IA said they did do such things to make lawyers go away.)
15:01:35<justauser>embargo?
15:01:53<justauser>I think there is a year before it gets included in their own replayer.
15:02:16<klea>Yeah, embargo.
15:02:32<justauser>IA uploads are lagging behind that.
15:02:33<klea>Yes, embargoed for a year for their own replayer, and I suppose the same time for IA.
15:02:36<klea>Ah
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15:03:21<klea>hmm, IA is 502ing now on the main domain~
15:05:31<justauser>Latest item, uploaded 2025-02-03, is for captures from 2019.
15:06:34<klea>hmm
15:06:44<klea>IA down :(
15:07:00<klea>Thankfully you can still get ARCs from https://arquivo.pt/browser/files/IA/arcs/2/10/FCCN-PT-HISTORICAL-ia400137.20080826122117.arc.gz :p
15:09:09<klea>Back up.
15:14:22<cruller>AFAIK, WARC files generated by https://arquivo.pt/services/archivepagenow aren't available on either https://archive.org/details/portuguese-web-archive or WBM. However, it is unclear whether this is due to an embargo or a delay, or if there is a more serious cause.
15:17:27<cruller>One potential concern is the use of pywb: https://sobre.arquivo.pt/pt/grave-paginas-no-arquivo-pt-com-o-savepagenow/
15:22:52<klea>Huh, does pywb include PII about the requester of an archive?
15:23:58<justauser>It's known to be broken for writing, unless they fixed something.
15:24:16<justauser>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/The_WARC_Ecosystem
15:25:20<klea>Ah
15:30:11<cruller>However, the webrecorder software used by arquivo may have been modified from the original version: https://github.com/orgs/arquivo/repositories
15:31:37<klea>https://sobre.arquivo.pt/en/cdxj-index-files-are-available-to-suppport-bulk-access/#:~:text=Arquivo%2Ept%20begun%20making%20all%20its%20CDXJ%20index%20files%20publicly%20available%20in%20real%2Dtime%20to%20facilitate%20the%20bulk%20download%20of%20web%2Darchived%20data%2E%20Learn%20how%20at So they don't embargo the CDX (formatted in json), but the pages they do. Weird
15:31:37<klea>approach.
15:43:07<justauser>klea: How do you make links like this?
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15:43:40<klea>justauser: Firefox, select text, and click "copy link to highlight"
15:43:45<klea>s/Firefox/Librewolf/
15:44:06<justauser>Hmm, mine doesn't offer that...
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17:22:17<cruller>justauser: Did you try Fluxzy? https://irclogs.archivete.am/archiveteam-bs/2026-01-08#l49569cfe
17:22:32<cruller>(inspired by #jseater)
17:26:46<justauser>No.
17:29:09<cruller>OK.
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17:39:52<cruller>Is it a bad idea to archive SSLKEYLOGFILEs and pcap files, anticipating future standard developments (i.e. giving up on WARC 1.1)? Being forced to use HTTP 1.1 can sometimes be a pain.
17:40:57<cruller>For independent web archivists, rather than for AT.
17:41:55<klea>There's a way to embed the keys into pcaps.
17:44:50<cruller>I still need to consider the details, including that aspect. In any case, I think publishing pcaps as-is is both risky and pointless.
17:45:10<klea>I mean, depends.
17:45:31<klea>(see some more context in #jseater)
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17:48:12<cruller>Thank you. Incidentally, several pcap-to-har tools already exist: https://pts-project.org/pcapng-utils/index.html
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18:04:38<cruller>Also, shouldn't I write about anti-antibot techniques on public spaces (like the wiki)? I don't want to needlessly accelerate this cat-and-mouse game, but it's already fast enough.
18:05:22<justauser>I don't believe AT is a significant player in this game.
18:05:39<justauser>And AI companies have money to do their own research.
18:06:18<cruller>Yeah, definitely.
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18:10:07<cruller>In the first place, it’s strange that libraries and archivists are being forced to play this game...
18:13:40<justauser>Few people want to store others' junk for free and with no business plan...
18:19:17<IDK>and then when someone does they get accused of letting AI scrape their archives...
18:40:52<masterx244|m>the AIssholes did that initially, thats why archive.org had to do the draconian ratelimits and a few collections got bolted down entirely (most of AT was openly accessible until the AI crap started)
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19:48:18<c3manu>masterx244|m: wait, what has been restricted exactly?
19:51:56<c3manu>wait, is it correct that the #archivebot collection is only ~9PiB in size? o_o
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19:52:57<pokechu22>A lot of the DPoS collections are restricted; AB isn't
19:56:01<klea>Correct, almost all DPoS collections.
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19:56:15<klea>(I think, I didn't keep the lists I made for updating the wiki)
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