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00:18:18<h2ibot>Klea edited Talks (-41, Use [[Template:Wikipedia|]] and resolve…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62466&oldid=59563
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00:38:41<@hook54321>how do we serve the wayback machine captures as a fallback when the wiki is down? another group is interested in doing something like that
00:39:48<klea>There's a few common software used to playback warcs, most commonly people use https://github.com/webrecorder/pywb or the custom proprietary IA WaybackMachine.
00:40:45<@hook54321>We just directly serve it from IA
00:41:13<klea>I remember the CloudFlare panel having a button to do something like what you said, but I'd rather not recommend CF.
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00:42:49<klea>Their feature is called "Always Online": https://www.cloudflare.com/always-online/
00:45:34<klea>Hmm
00:46:18<klea>I guess one could configure their web server to redirect to https://web.archive.org/web/9/$url if there's some error. (Tune to whatever error code happens when stuff breaks.)
00:46:30<klea>Don't know how JAA would configure Caddy to do that.
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00:49:18<@JAA>I'm not sure this is actually possible with the current setup of the wiki. It's in a managed system kind of thing.
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00:52:58<klea>Sad, JAA not managing PHP.
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00:53:36<@JAA>That setup is also why I can't quite tell what's going on with these outages. I have a suspicion but nothing concrete.
00:54:22<klea>Why not move to host it in our infra?
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00:54:39<@hook54321>oh, does it not fallback to the WBM anymore?
00:54:49<@hook54321>klea: i'll pass that along, thanks
00:55:21<klea>You're welcome.
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00:56:06<klea>If using CF, I'd also recommend making a rule to allowlist ArchiveBot, but AFAIK rules are limited on the Free Plan (which is also mostly useless since apparently it won't run most pages for you via SPN anyways.)
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00:58:51<@hook54321>klea: i'm guessing cloudflare is probably not an option for us as it somewhat conflicts with the project's values and the userbase wouldn't like it.
00:59:24<klea>!karma ButtFlare
00:59:24<eggdrop>[karma] "ButtFlare" has -319 karma
00:59:50<@JAA>Definitely not.
01:00:37<@hook54321>oh, here, no way. i mean this other project.
01:00:51<@JAA>Ah yeah
01:01:28klea points both hook54321 and JAA have a little at before their nicks, so they're both speaking for both projects. /silly
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01:05:26<@JAA>Generally, the wiki has been very stable since we moved it to this current place years ago. These outages are a very recent development.
01:06:06<klea>Ah, I guess it's the same setup from when Jason moved it?
01:06:38<klea>Also, didn't you have some kind of shell for the daily dumps?
01:06:45<@JAA>No, it was moved off Jason's stuff then.
01:07:14<klea>I mean, when Jason moved it to some other provider who offered hosting it for free (IIRC).
01:07:28<@JAA>Negative
01:07:43<klea>https://opencollective.com/archiveteam/updates/paying-for-archiveteam-hosting
01:07:47<@JAA>I have a shell, but that's not how the daily dumps work.
01:08:36<@JAA>I think that's from before the move, yeah.
01:08:50<@JAA>The move was either late 2020 or early 2021.
01:08:51<klea>Is it on that provider or on some new one?
01:09:04<klea>Ah. Post from March 2020.
01:09:19klea wonders if it's some kind of cursed thing like something hitting some php script JAA setup with the shell access.
01:09:37<klea>Or probably crontab.
01:09:42<@JAA>Lots of things about this setup are cursed, but not that part.
01:09:44<@JAA>Yep, crontab
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06:10:34<@arkiver>yzqzss: yes that is not a good idea
06:10:59<@arkiver>(good you're checking in about that)
06:19:47<Dango360>do we know what's causing the website to go down so often?
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07:47:33<h2ibot>Bzc6p edited Talk:Main Page (+268, /* Hello */): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62467&oldid=62429
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08:42:59<Exorcism>arkiver: in #down-the-tube https://irc.digitaldragon.dev/uploads/0139744b7d1f2eb6/image.png https://transfer.archivete.am/AIwLG/all-videos-from-unlistedvideos.com.txt
08:43:00<eggdrop>inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/AIwLG/all-videos-from-unlistedvideos.com.txt
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09:30:08<h2ibot>Manu edited Webring (+30, Exorcism found https://dsring.neocities.org/): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62468&oldid=62456
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09:32:08<h2ibot>Klea edited Template:ArchiveBot (+82, Have the template link to itself rather than…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62469&oldid=59987
09:33:08<h2ibot>Klea edited Template:ArchiveBot (+27, Don't show the text on this page itself): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62470&oldid=62469
09:36:14<h2ibot>Exorcism edited Webring (+41, add https://neocities.org/browse?tag=webring): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62471&oldid=62468
09:37:50<klea>I think doing the same to the others using [[Template:Navbox]] might be a good idea.
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12:57:31<triplecamera|m>klea: What you are trying to do is very similar to separating the template itself and its documentation
13:00:59<triplecamera|m>Are you familiar with MediaWiki templates and documentation?
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13:27:07<klea>triplecamera|m: No, I want to make those templates not link to any page, since else the pages using those templates will be linking to every page on the template, which makes finding real pages that link to pages linked there harder.
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14:45:03<h2ibot>Manu edited Anubis/uncategorized (+25, www.scribus.net uses Anubis): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62472&oldid=62444
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15:07:18<h2ibot>Exorcism created Webring/DSring (+2669, Created page with "Here is the list of websites…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?oldid=62473
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15:12:24<h2ibot>Manu edited Webring (+33, found https://gummyring.neocities.org/): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62474&oldid=62471
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15:12:50<c3manu>Exorcism++
15:12:51<eggdrop>[karma] 'Exorcism' now has 15 karma!
15:14:28<h2ibot>Exorcism edited Webring (+61): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62475&oldid=62474
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15:22:29<h2ibot>Exorcism edited Webring (+47): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62477&oldid=62475
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20:43:41<h2ibot>Exorcism edited ArchiveBot/Governments/France/list (+39): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=62485&oldid=61970
20:48:40<@JAA>klea: My opinion is that these nav boxes are rarely useful and we should rather use categories more generously instead.
20:49:21<klea>Yeah
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