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02:54:41<pabs>ZoeB: looks like the highest auction number is https://spheremusic.com/Bargaindtl.asp?Item=30514
02:55:05<pabs>ZoeB: anything over 30514 redirects to /Session.asp for me
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03:04:01<pabs>also, looks like /Bargainqa.asp needs an artificially added ?Item= too, otherwise you just get the one from your session cookie
03:06:07<pabs>oh, and there is some JS to contend with
03:10:18<pabs>oh, and the News page uses POST
03:10:37<nicolas17>/o\
03:10:53<pabs>can't fake it with GET params either
03:13:51<pabs>the news pagination is JS + POST...
03:14:16<pabs>at least the news items themselves are GET based
03:15:02<pabs>oh noes, found an ODBC error https://spheremusic.com/Modeldtl.asp?Model=738
03:20:28<pabs>ugh, some broken links like https://spheremusic.com/%3Chttp://www.dynaudioacoustics.com
03:23:26<pabs>oh, www. is the canonical domain, but some parts link to non-www urls
03:24:02<pabs>and the FAQ is JS/POST too :/
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03:35:47<pabs>gah, the gallery items are JS based
03:41:24<pabs>oh, ?Lg=F sets a cookie to make the UI French
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04:18:02<pabs>ZoeB: https://transfer.archivete.am/p557w/spheremusic.com-archivebot-plan.txt
04:18:02<eggdrop>inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/p557w/spheremusic.com-archivebot-plan.txt
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05:01:18<h2ibot>PaulWise edited Obstacles (+158, add HTTP POST issue, smolnet protocols): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60549&oldid=60474
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07:22:42<h2ibot>Hans5958 edited Main Page/Current Projects (+203, Complete Open Diary and add Roblox Groups): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60550&oldid=60380
07:23:21<ZoeB>@pabs That sounds very likely about the highest auction number. And wow, thank you, that file looks about right, and far more thorough than mine would have been!
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08:02:23<skankhunt42>hey there! Is it worth to spin up more containers for the opendiary grab or would I just hit the tracker limit? I am using a /64 ipv6 subnet and a single ip for each container. I can spin up like 1000 containers easily, just wondering if it is worth it
08:04:41<skankhunt42>just wanted to help to get this done before they shut down
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09:10:17<pabs>do we have anything other than Mnbot that can save HTTP POST requests to WARC?
09:13:00<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/archived (+100, Queued discourse.pi-hole.net): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60551&oldid=60544
09:14:00<h2ibot>Manu edited Distributed recursive crawls (+80, Candidates: Add www.tsp.gob.cu): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60552&oldid=60539
09:22:44<pabs>ZoeB: running now http://archivebot.com/?initialFilter=spheremusic
09:22:58<ZoeB>Wonderful, thank you so much!
09:23:12<pabs>shit, forgot to add the ignores. restarting
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09:30:11<ZoeB>Is it possible to slow it down a bit without restarting it? I don't want to get them slapped with a bandwidth bill or anything.
09:31:01<pabs>sure
09:31:18<pabs>how slow do you want it?
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09:37:28<ZoeB>Well it's 30,000 items and we have at least 30 days, so we don't need more than 1,000 items a day. With 86400 seconds in a day, we can wait up to a minute per item. Maybe something like 10 seconds per item would be sensible?
09:39:34<ZoeB>Ah, I forgot each item can have multiple images... though I think most are less than 6, so somewhere in the region of 5-10 seconds per item should work, I think...
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10:05:37<ZoeB>Much better, thanks again!
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14:14:44<hexagonwin>this seems really unrelated to the topic, but I'm unable to find out myself.. does anyone know how archiveteam warrior does concurrent uploading using rsync?
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14:29:34<TheTechRobo>pabs: qwarc can do it, I had a spec file that could take an input file with URLs + post data and write a WARC with all of it
14:31:33<justauser>skankhunt42: OpenDiary is currently limited on tracker, too easy to overload. Might be welcome at other projects, though.
14:32:21<skankhunt42>justauser: got it, will scale down then and shift the resources to another project :)
14:32:59<justauser>I suspect Wget-at can do POST, but I don't have it running (yet?).
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14:49:48<h2ibot>Justauser edited Obstacles (+261, /* Protocol choices */ Reworded a bit,…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60553&oldid=60549
15:08:26<TheTechRobo>justauser: For your [citation needed], see https://github.com/iipc/warc-specifications/issues/106
15:09:48<justauser>Oh, nice.
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15:41:55<h2ibot>Justauser edited Obstacles (-5, /* Protocol choices */ Citation provided by…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60554&oldid=60553
15:48:57<justauser>Looking for tools similar to !ao < but with LIFO queue, ideally deployed at AT.
15:49:50<justauser>I want to grab Plague Inc. custom scenarios, but their download is:
15:50:00<justauser>https://s.ndemiccreations.com/plague/scenarios_play?id=10000
15:50:20<justauser>You make a request and get a link that expires in a few seconds.
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16:59:25<GodzFire>pokechu22 sorry for not following up sooner. Did Cloudflare ever cooperate again so you could backup that sound effects Wikia?
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17:03:24<@arkiver>i remember some information about tenor was posted before, did we have a rough size estimate?
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17:10:27<justauser>GodzFire: Doesn't look like it.
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17:11:15<justauser>arkiver: Someone made a dump of images with old-style IDs.
17:11:42<@arkiver>yeah, the one on IA
17:11:44<@arkiver>justauser: ^
17:12:28<justauser>2 TB of images and it's expected to be over 90% of total Tenor.
17:12:41<@arkiver>2 TB seems very small
17:12:43<justauser>Only JSON descriptions were uploaded for now IIUC.
17:13:59<justauser>Actually, I probably invented that 90% number.
17:14:18<justauser>But it's probably that order of magnitude.
17:16:10<justauser>I read the chat as "I got 10 of the 11 million images", but it's actually not like that.
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18:08:18<applebeechandpie>yo guys
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18:13:22<justauser>Hello?
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21:57:57<h2ibot>Nyakase edited Tenor (+84, /* Media */ gifpreview note): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60555&oldid=60193
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22:08:13<nyakase>arkiver: Assuming 11 million medias that are the same size as https://tenor.com/view/17847364 (which is very long, 30sec) and every non-sticker-only media format is downloaded from all three domains, it clocks in at.. 3 PB I guess? 93MB * 11,000,000 * 3
22:08:29<nyakase>Most GIFs are not anywhere near that long, I deliberately chose a long one. See https://transfer.archivete.am/iRArW/du.txt for the sizes of the different media formats
22:08:30<eggdrop>inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/iRArW/du.txt
22:10:05<klea>arkiver, justauser, nyakase: Topics regarding Tenor —> #losttenure .
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23:01:30<billybobbyjoe>helloooo
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23:09:05<billybobbyjoe>i would like to archive classification.gov.au; very large site documenting every single film ever distributed, exhibited, sold or prohibited in Australia in the last 50+ years. it's very poorly represented on wayback and is also extremely important, i am surprised it isn't already up fully. completely new to this so help would be much appreciated
23:09:06<billybobbyjoe>thanks :)
23:13:27<billybobbyjoe>only just noticed it dropped in my IP lmao, good thing I'm on a VPN
23:16:46<pokechu22>billybobbyjoe: Huh, I assumed most of the Australian government sites would have coverage via NLA, which generally ends up on web.archive.org too via e.g. https://archive.org/details/NLA_2025_Spring
23:17:11<nicolas17>might be scripty or something
23:18:06<pokechu22>hmm, now the site is giving me reset connections
23:18:20<pokechu22>but e.g. https://www.classification.gov.au/titles/xcom-chimera-squad has no AB coverage right now, picking randomly
23:19:09<pokechu22>ugh, https://www.classification.gov.au/ like most of .gov.au is Akamai... but I've never had Akamai do this to me in a browser; I've only seen it happen to archivebot
23:19:32<pokechu22>it works in firefox nightly but not firefox, so it's definitely a block of some sort
23:19:35<pokechu22>Akamai--
23:19:35<eggdrop>[karma] 'Akamai' now has -224 karma!
23:20:24<billybobbyjoe>classification.gov.au/classification-ratings/latest-classification-decisions legit i fed a few random numbered pages into SavePageNow and almost every single listing is absent
23:21:12<pokechu22>Does https://www.classification.gov.au/sitemap.xml exist? They're blocking nightly for me now too, but I at least was able to confirm that https://www.classification.gov.au/titles/xcom-chimera-squad doesn't rely on javascript
23:22:05<billybobbyjoe>yes it does, but without the actual individual listings just anything else
23:22:26<pokechu22>I also see a notice at the top saying "PORTAL UPDATE: For enhanced security, CAPTCHA is coming soon to the Classification Portal." so if we're going to save it it probably would need to happen soon :|
23:23:50<nicolas17>sitemap exists
23:24:07<nicolas17>I made a request with curl and got connection reset, browser works fine though
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23:24:55<billybobbyjoe>pokechu22: exactly, that's partly why i noticed it but also like, it's the entirety of film as a medium sorted into a nice neat list by how it's classified by the Australian government
23:25:02<nicolas17>browser UA works
23:25:18<nicolas17>oh weird
23:25:26<nicolas17>in curl I had to use browser UA and --compressed
23:25:56<nicolas17>pokechu22: 261 entries in sitemap.xml
23:26:56<nicolas17>"Showing 1 - 20 of 171745 results" oof
23:27:29<nicolas17>now getting connection refused in browser
23:27:46<pokechu22>Refused or reset?
23:27:56<nicolas17>reset sorry, it seems the request does get sent
23:28:08<nicolas17>weirdly the curl request for the sitemap still works lol
23:28:16<pokechu22>https://web.archive.org/web/collections/20230601000000*/https://www.classification.gov.au/about-us/research-and-publications/classification-publications-films-and-computer-games-spherex-classification-tool-approval-2022 only shows a few older NLA captures - I'm guessing whatever aggressive banning I'm running into also affects the NLA crawler (or maybe NLA just doesn't
23:28:18<pokechu22>recrawl everything like that, but they did recrawl the home page)
23:28:57<nicolas17>deleting my cookies made it work again
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23:29:38<nicolas17>maybe it didn't like that I used the same ak_bmsc cookie in curl once
23:29:47<pokechu22>No, I got a random ban just browsing normally
23:30:24<pokechu22>firefox devtools wants me to manage cookies for about:neterror instead of the site itself -_-
23:31:22<pokechu22>ah, but I can do it from a different tab that's still showing the site properly, and deleting cookies does work
23:32:35<nicolas17>yeah I had to go back to the sitemap to get a proper dev tools for the real domain
23:32:37<nicolas17>-_-
23:33:10<nicolas17>ok seems I need --compression and non-curl UA to get the sitemap, but I need the ak_bmsc cookie to get other parts of the site
23:33:51<pokechu22>https://www.classification.gov.au/classification-ratings/latest-classification-decisions?field_rating%5B1%5D=1 says "Showing 1 - 20 of 3840935 results" but it seems like it does paginate fully, to https://www.classification.gov.au/classification-ratings/latest-classification-decisions?field_rating%5B1%5D=1&page=192046
23:34:14<nicolas17>ah I was filtering for movies
23:37:38<nicolas17>if they wanted to reduce server load maybe they shouldn't so aggressively disable caching
23:37:50<pokechu22>This might be doable with qwarc; JAA had success with that on justice.gov which has similar akamai weirdness (though there, the archivebot user-agent is whitelisted except in URLs containing ?page= and gives 403s otherwise, instead of resetting connections)
23:38:08<nicolas17>I'm successfully getting pages so far
23:38:43<nicolas17>(bash loop calling curl, hope they don't ban me for not reusing connections)
23:40:44<billybobbyjoe>the list updates on a regular basis (26th most recently); currently there are 3840935 titles total (https://www.classification.gov.au/classification-ratings/latest-classification-decisions?field_rating%5B1%5D=1). ONLY 17321 of them have ever been archived !!!
23:40:44<billybobbyjoe>(https://web.archive.org/cdx/search/cdx?url=classification.gov.au/titles&collapse=urlkey&matchType=prefix)
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23:42:56<billybobbyjoe>be sure to toggle on 'include 'adult and Refused Classification material', otherwise the ~30k pornographic or criminalised title records would be left out
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23:46:32<billybobbyjoe>3.8 million pages dawg, holy
23:48:32<nicolas17>hm weird one
23:48:37<nicolas17><a class="c-classifiction-title__text" href="/node/3872932" title="𝐒𝐇𝐀𝐃𝐎𝐖 𝐑𝐏 - 𝐕𝟐 - 🏙" rel="bookmark">𝐒𝐇𝐀𝐃𝐎𝐖 𝐑𝐏 - 𝐕𝟐 - 🏙</a>
23:48:41<nicolas17>all others go to /titles/something
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23:51:08<pokechu22>I'm guessing drupal does that if it can't generate a slug
23:53:47<nicolas17>wonder if drupal explains why each request is taking me 1 second... or if it's just the local akamai node -> australia latency
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23:54:46<pokechu22>Every page has a /node/ redirect (e.g. https://www.classification.gov.au/node/2024524 -> https://www.classification.gov.au/titles/xcom-chimera-squad), visible as "currentPath":"node\/2024524" (I think archivebot recursive jobs also extract that)
23:55:00<billybobbyjoe>pokechu22: the nla is not great with web archives in my experience in academia here. not in the sense they aren't trying, but like it's extremely incomplete.
23:56:09<billybobbyjoe>my advice would be to do a deep and comprehensive crawl of *.gov.au because there is a fuckton of mostly minor but often incredibly significant missing data
23:57:48<pokechu22>Annoyingly most of .gov.au generally doesn't work due to the same akamai issues I'm seeing here (maybe they only apply to non-Australian IPs or something, though? The site seems pretty unusable otherwise). I think we did some state-level stuff during previous elections though
23:59:00<nicolas17>each page is like 100KB so I have 160MB of HTML and this isn't even 1% of it

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