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| 00:32:33 | <klea> | btw, JAA if you give dir-to-ia a folder with a file that has no content it will fail as dirty because IA doesn't allow files with no content-length |
| 00:33:09 | <klea> | A request of the requested method PUT requires a valid Content-length. |
| 00:38:54 | <katia> | We archiving empty files now ig |
| 00:39:54 | <klea> | no, but i noticed that it marked it as dirty when i accidentally left an empty file from test. |
| 00:39:54 | <@JAA> | Reasonable |
| 00:40:13 | <@JAA> | I mean, I could make it fail locally instead. |
| 00:40:27 | <klea> | you could make it not mark it as dirty, or is that a bad idea? |
| 00:40:35 | <katia> | Doesn’t seem better |
| 00:40:39 | <katia> | Fix your empty files |
| 00:41:01 | <klea> | yeah, that is also a good idea |
| 00:41:13 | <klea> | and having dir-to-ia add a marker when it has successfully finished uploading would be possible? |
| 00:41:17 | <@JAA> | This might actually be a bug in ia-upload-stream though. You can upload empty files to IA. |
| 00:41:23 | <klea> | oh. |
| 00:41:37 | <katia> | klea: have a patch? |
| 00:41:48 | <klea> | katia: i can create patch if JAA wants. |
| 00:41:53 | <@JAA> | A significant percentage of DPoS items have an empty .tar. |
| 00:42:10 | <@JAA> | Random example: https://archive.org/download/archiveteam_urls_20260125001525_d9e94fa7 |
| 00:42:17 | <klea> | JAA: we can't see. |
| 00:42:22 | <klea> | oh wait what |
| 00:42:27 | <@JAA> | Of course you can. |
| 00:42:52 | <klea> | huh |
| 00:45:26 | <c3manu> | bookdown.org is still running, but by now i queued all the books listed on https://www.bookdown.org/home/archive/ (i don't think i missed any, i went through them manually) |
| 00:46:07 | <c3manu> | i mean the ones that are hosted on domains other than bookdown.org |
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| 01:24:11 | <klea> | i wonder why JAA choose the hextable approach rather than strtol or strtoul: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10324/convert-a-hexadecimal-string-to-an-integer-efficiently-in-c |
| 01:24:24 | <klea> | from #archiveteam-ot (i was told that was off topic there) |
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| 01:25:10 | <@JAA> | I didn't write that code. But I suspect a static array lookup is faster than a function call. |
| 01:25:35 | <steering> | especially when that function call is gonna do a bunch of math on it |
| 01:25:40 | <klea> | oh. |
| 01:25:50 | <steering> | (and a ton of branches) |
| 01:26:00 | <steering> | https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=stdlib/strtol_l.c;h=ac53312ba87f48a86ca7a6e494ea8ae0838e0b6e;hb=HEAD#l236 |
| 01:26:13 | <@JAA> | Anubis-- |
| 01:26:13 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'Anubis' now has -14 karma! |
| 01:26:15 | <klea> | anubis-- |
| 01:26:15 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'anubis' now has -15 karma! |
| 01:27:03 | <klea> | i was too far away from keyboard to type a uppercase a (also was going to type it with the wrong hand) |
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| 01:27:25 | <@JAA> | Yeah, fun function |
| 01:30:19 | <PC> | is #photosucket dead? i've got some image URLs that aren't saving (and since it may be a free account, they might not be around forever, but i think they'll last a few months), but the channel seems pretty quiet |
| 01:31:03 | <@JAA> | Channels for inactive projects tend to be quiet. It's the right channel. |
| 01:32:14 | <PC> | nods. so inactive currently? wondering what the best way to get those images on the WBM would be. (i'm also curious if that'll fix them where they're embedded, since i've got a livejournal post with a bunch of them that are just showing as broken images) |
| 01:33:45 | <klea> | JAA: how bad of an idea is running this script in a loop somewhere as long as i won't have dir-to-ia folders in the dir-to-ia directory that will be getting new files in a incremental manner? <https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/vAP6T/clean-dir-to-ia.sh> |
| 01:40:11 | <@JAA> | klea: I can't be bothered to think about the interactions with the current version of dir-to-ia, but regardless, you'd be relying on implementaiton details that might change at any time. |
| 01:40:34 | <klea> | could you expose things that aren't implementation details that won't change? |
| 01:40:49 | <@JAA> | Those are in the config file. |
| 01:41:00 | <@JAA> | And in the --help text. |
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| 01:41:33 | <klea> | that doesn't allow me to hook into jobs failing, or jobs completing succesfully |
| 01:41:53 | <klea> | i wanted to delete just the .dir-to-ia metadata files and then the directory they're in. |
| 01:41:53 | <@JAA> | Correct |
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| 02:12:19 | <@Fusl> | klea justauser: update just in case youre wondering, jason pointed me to a discord server with people that archive old gaming magazines and similar stuff, im talks with them now |
| 02:12:33 | <klea> | ah |
| 02:12:56 | <klea> | Fusl: if you could, and the discord seems to not be too small, could you consider giving a invite to #discard for archival? |
| 02:15:41 | <@Fusl> | klea: sure, just did |
| 02:15:47 | <klea> | thanks |
| 02:15:53 | <@Fusl> | ofc! |
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| 02:42:01 | <kiska> | Fusl as someone who works in freight, do not send those magazines internationally. They will experience the most horrific things that happen when a worker has to move up to 1.2k cartons per hour |
| 02:51:46 | <nicolas17> | many years ago I had a subscription to a weekly electronics magazine, which came with components |
| 02:52:25 | <nicolas17> | in a little bag together attached to the magazine |
| 02:52:32 | <nicolas17> | all the way from Spain to Argentina |
| 02:52:35 | <nicolas17> | there wasn't a single issue where the integrated circuits came intact, I always had to un-bend the pins |
| 02:54:04 | <klea> | i wonder what company did that. |
| 02:54:51 | <nicolas17> | klea: well a few years ago I scanned every single of the 1200 pages so here you go https://archive.org/details/fg-electronica-modular/ |
| 02:55:01 | <klea> | huh |
| 02:55:04 | <klea> | how did you do those scans? |
| 02:55:30 | <nicolas17> | flatbed scanner |
| 02:55:53 | <nicolas17> | the pages were pretty much designed to be detached and put into a binder |
| 02:56:01 | <klea> | oh |
| 02:56:50 | <that_lurker> | IA has some interesting magazines stored |
| 02:57:04 | <klea> | btw, how did you load it to archive? |
| 02:57:28 | <klea> | oh simply electronica-modular-NN_images.zip files? |
| 02:57:31 | <nicolas17> | yes |
| 02:57:36 | <klea> | nice |
| 02:58:00 | <nicolas17> | the format is simply a zip with image files, which should have filenames that sort correctly |
| 02:58:20 | <that_lurker> | nicolas17: you should add the scanner to the item metadata :-) |
| 02:58:37 | <@Fusl> | nicolas17: flatbed scanner is probably also how im going to archive mine if i cant find anyone who will do it for me but its going to be a lot of work to go through all of them :/ |
| 02:59:42 | <klea> | nicolas17 apparently went trough 1200 pages :p |
| 02:59:42 | <nicolas17> | that_lurker: it's unclear to me what the 'scanner' metadata property is supposed to mean |
| 03:00:18 | <klea> | <https://archive.org/developers/metadata-schema/index.html#scanner> |
| 03:00:43 | <nicolas17> | given that the uploader likes to stick "Internet Archive HTML5 Uploader 1.7.0" there |
| 03:01:18 | <klea> | i suppose it should be the physical flatbed scanner that you used. |
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| 03:29:18 | <h2ibot> | Klea edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine/Partial exclusions (+246, Add…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60331&oldid=60321 |
| 03:35:04 | <cruller> | That reminds me, is [[ArchiveCorps]] still alive? |
| 03:36:46 | <klea> | given the last actual edit with actual changes that aren't gramatical, automated changes, or changes in style was in 2015-08-30, i'd say no. <https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ArchiveCorps&oldid=24132> |
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| 03:37:13 | <klea> | i should've used the Special: revision link format. |
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| 03:44:23 | <cruller> | Their site was accessible as of last August, but was not being actively updated. https://web.archive.org/web/20250101000000*/http://www.archivecorps.org/ |
| 03:47:44 | <klea> | domain got parked 2025-09-08 so likely expired. <view-source:https://web.archive.org/web/20250908154038if_/http://www.archivecorps.org/> |
| 03:47:57 | <klea> | smh |
| 03:48:01 | <klea> | (*) <https://web.archive.org/web/20250908154038if_/http://www.archivecorps.org/> |
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| 05:14:52 | <@Fusl> | kiska: yeah i dont intend to send them internationally and much rather prefer to drive them somewhere tbh |
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| 14:37:30 | <justauser> | It'd be neat to do something with https://enigma-dev.org/, but with all the software down here (wiki, forum, bugtracker, etc), some of it custom, I'm afraid to simply let AB loose on it. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:36:15 | <h2ibot> | Klea uploaded File:Wtf-delete.png (…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=File%3AWtf-delete.png |
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| 18:51:29 | <h2ibot> | Justauser edited Twitter (+375, /* Archives */ - updates): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60333&oldid=59351 |
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| 19:07:34 | <h2ibot> | Klea created Tally (+895, Created page with "{{underconstruction}} …): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Tally |
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| 21:24:52 | <pokechu22> | Can someone with experience in Chinese tell if https://mingpaocanada.com/tor/ is specifically shutting down on January 31, or just ceasing publication? The banner at the top says "明報加拿大網站將於2026年1月17日停止更新。即時新聞便會更新直至2026年1月31日" which Google translates to "Ming Pao Canada website will cease updates on January 17, 2026. |
| 21:24:54 | <pokechu22> | Breaking news updates will continue until January 31, 2026." presumably referring to https://www.mingpaocanada.com/realtimenews/tor/list_CANADA_NEW.cfm?m=0 but I don't see anything that specifically references shutdown. I also don't see any equivalent notice on https://mingpaocanada.com/van/ although it has stopped updating |
| 21:27:14 | <pokechu22> | both archivebot jobs seem unlikely to finish before Jan 31 |
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| 21:32:01 | <klea> | relating to bento, i went to https://bento.me/selim and got some beeps for exif locations on <https://storage.googleapis.com/creatorspace-public/users%2Fclb3ofthr0006jw08spl04a9x%2FfjlnKqpC4SzuTnWa-IMG_8616%25202.jpg> and <https://storage.googleapis.com/creatorspace-public/users%2Fclb3ofthr0006jw08spl04a9x%2F1kGNU3gSiguyq5gQ-IMG_1958.JPG> which seem to be on a public s3 |
| 21:32:01 | <klea> | bucket,, should i ask in AB to get <https://storage.googleapis.com/creatorspace-public/>/ |
| 21:32:07 | <klea> | s/\/$/?/ |
| 21:33:04 | <klea> | asked in #archivebot . |
| 21:34:08 | <pokechu22> | listing that bucket now |
| 21:36:39 | <klea> | thanks |
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| 22:13:20 | <PC> | klea: can you add this link to that twitter batch from earlier? https://twitter.com/zunkome2/status/1713581981420618067 i'd appreciate it! (i also found a few from that batch that seem to just be 404s nows, let me know if that matters) |
| 22:13:20 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://nitter.net/zunkome2/status/1713581981420618067 |
| 22:13:39 | <klea> | PC: from what i know it'd just show that those failed on #jseater |
| 22:14:04 | <pokechu22> | I saw one earlier that I think didn't show up as failed - twitter is too scripty to have real 404s |
| 22:14:09 | <klea> | oh |
| 22:14:11 | <klea> | shitty |
| 22:14:13 | <klea> | aaa |
| 22:14:14 | <PC> | rip |
| 22:14:31 | <klea> | well, it'd just archive the not found page :( |
| 22:15:05 | <PC> | no worries, if it's gone, it's gone |
| 22:16:33 | <PC> | ugh, the annoying thing with one of my links though is that it's been marked as mature (it's a completely SFW pokemon drawing...), which means it shows up as a 404 when logged out... no idea how to get that one, but it explains why it's been breaking on archive.is (my temporary backup option) |
| 22:16:42 | <PC> | i think ghostarchive can handle those because it seems to use a dummy account |
| 22:17:16 | <PC> | (the link: https://twitter.com/maruyaki45/status/1198978911444451328 ) |
| 22:17:16 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://nitter.net/maruyaki45/status/1198978911444451328 |
| 22:18:35 | <PC> | i've also got 36 links that don't seem to be marked as mature or anything, but are failing on archive.is for an unknown reason... at less of a risk of getting deleted than some other ones on my list though (i lost one since i first made it a month ago </3) so as long as they can get picked up /somehow/ in a WBM-able way, all will be good |
| 22:23:50 | <nicolas17> | unknownsrc: I'm still in disbelief that sites like linktree actually convince people to give them money |
| 22:56:07 | <klea> | btw, PC i believe outlinks from those urls aren't getting grabbed, if that's what you were interested in. |
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| 23:02:07 | <PC> | i was hoping to have the image embedded in the page (i have the actual image up on the WBM already, it's just nice to have it visible when loading the tweet) |
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| 23:02:28 | <PC> | (that is, to have the image URL reachable in some way from just the tweet URL) |
| 23:02:33 | <PC> | that's all really |
| 23:02:59 | <PC> | (aside from the tweet text and metadata, obviously) |
| 23:04:05 | <klea> | the images that are loaded as part of jobs are archived. |
| 23:04:08 | <klea> | what aren't is outlinks |
| 23:05:03 | <klea> | like for example: <https://mnbot.very-good-quality-co.de/item/77bac3df-2eba-4ab6-a49b-22a4437eb8c7> has the image that's shown in the screenshot: <https://mnbot.very-good-quality-co.de/item/77bac3df-2eba-4ab6-a49b-22a4437eb8c7> but it hasn't by itself made any query for archival of https://ctccomic.com/comic/498/ |
| 23:05:15 | <klea> | and also, the image won't appear on the WBM. |
| 23:05:23 | <klea> | because jsbot isn't approved there. |
| 23:06:16 | <PC> | re: the outlinks, that's fine! i'm gonna handle those separately at some point |
| 23:06:21 | <klea> | oh ok |
| 23:06:49 | <PC> | hmm, that's rough re: the images. i will have likely already gotten that same URL up on the WBM so we can see if it'll show up embedded anyway? |
| 23:08:01 | <PC> | ah, damn, just checked and nope, seems that's grabbing the name=small versions. i could get those up manually if it's always name=small? and hope it embeds when it's up |
| 23:08:30 | <PC> | it's a pain to dig through HTML to find the image url and them check which version of it has been archived just to see what it looked like, otherwise |
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| 23:09:09 | <klea> | PC: do they appear on the urls in the job on the webpage, iirc there's an api for it |
| 23:09:26 | <PC> | they're under requisities it seems |
| 23:09:49 | <klea> | ok, then i believe it could be automated out. |
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| 23:12:41 | <PC> | ! that'd be great! |
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| 23:14:42 | <klea> | could you tell me the other name? |
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| 23:14:51 | <klea> | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAEJ5VaVoAAwETR?format=jpg&name=small i suppose https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAEJ5VaVoAAwETR?format=jpg&name=big? |
| 23:14:55 | <PC> | large |
| 23:15:00 | <klea> | thanks |
| 23:15:06 | <PC> | that's the largest size for images that aren't 4096x4096 (those are rare) |
| 23:15:10 | <PC> | i've already saved all of those though! |
| 23:15:14 | <PC> | for all of the links i've got |
| 23:15:54 | <PC> | i've also saved medium ones where those would be the ones popping up when clicking on the image and opening it in a new tab |
| 23:15:57 | <PC> | but not the small ones |
| 23:16:16 | <@JAA> | name=orig is supposed to return the original size. |
| 23:16:28 | <PC> | oh yes! i've not saved those but could if needed |
| 23:17:05 | <PC> | since orig is equivalent to the largest size the image fits in (large, 4096x4096, sometimes medium or 900x900 for smaller images, small is rare since images are rarely that small) |
| 23:17:34 | <PC> | i can come up with a list of the orig variants of the images, if that'd be helpful |
| 23:17:37 | <klea> | oh |
| 23:17:48 | <klea> | i was going to do large only, i guess i'll do two. |
| 23:18:03 | <PC> | those are i think the ones that are being embedded in the generated versions of the twitterarchive ones |
| 23:18:28 | <PC> | orig would catch both large images and ones that are 4096x4096, though i've already gotten those at the 4096x4096 where they exist |
| 23:18:41 | <PC> | and all the smaller ones at large, so those are all up on the WBM |
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