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01:12:19<h2ibot>Nintendofan885 edited Sandbox (+67, no index since it's not meant to be valuable): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60306&oldid=58263
01:13:19<h2ibot>Nintendofan885 edited Sandbox (-12, actually, mainspace so it has no effect): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60307&oldid=60306
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08:22:45<filipp>Hi gang! Does anybody know if there's a browser-based emulation solution out there that can run both Windows and Mac? For late-nineties/early 00s software.
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09:03:57<filipp>Infinite Mac is awesome, but Mac-only and also seems to depend on Cloudflare
09:06:23<filipp>so far qemu seems the only true "universal" emulator, but I haven't yet tested it's WASM ports which appear to be very much experimental
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12:14:39<justauser>WASM ports of QEMU work. But they are horribly slow.
12:14:39<justauser>Some references: https://copy.sh/v86/ https://bellard.org/jslinux
12:14:39<justauser>I suspect you may be better off getting a NoVNC session to some server with a "normal" VM...
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13:33:06<filipp>@justauser! Thanks
13:33:38<filipp>the NoVNC approach was on my radar as well
13:34:00<justauser>I've seen people do it. There are a couple of public WinXP VM's...
13:34:22<filipp>but then I discovered all this WASM stuff and thought "this is the way".
13:34:25<filipp>roger
13:35:14<filipp>I'm actually thinking if this whole thing would be better off as a desktop app... this is supposed to be a media archive, but no reason why it should be centralized. In fact, plenty of arguments against that.
13:36:48<justauser>Media archive on its own doesn't need an emulator.
13:36:58<filipp>sry, software archive :)
13:37:20<filipp>these are interactive CD-ROMS. So called "new media" :)
13:37:25<filipp>from late 90s
13:37:26<justauser>You can always make it BYOVM.
13:37:34<justauser>Interactive CD-ROM...
13:38:48<justauser>I'd imagine shipping a couple of OS ISOs here, but no emulator.
13:39:01<justauser>Let people choose what works for them.
13:39:23<justauser>Given that, e.g. VirtualBox is typically faster than QEMU but limited in its abilities.
13:39:35<filipp>hmm...
13:41:53<filipp>not entirely sure how that would work. I'd like this to be a somewhat turnkey solution. Sounds like too much work for the end-user. That's why I really liked Infinite Mac with their archive.org et al integration. Just getting data into a VM is too much work for most users.
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13:48:15<justauser>OK, second idea - an OVA (or QCOW2 if you ship QEMU inside a hypothetical desktop app) with everything already inside.
13:48:49<filipp>I think I'd like to couple this with a bittorrent "backend". That whatever you throw into this thing you could also seed to people you trust. It's been over 20 years since I've looked into this stuff... are Torrents still "non-editable"? Ie, I would have to generate a new torrent every time I update a directory?
13:49:03<filipp>that would work! Or maybe a Docker thing?
13:49:07<justauser>OS ready, app installers piled inside at something like D:\Archive.
13:49:13<filipp>yup
13:49:37<justauser>I don't think editable BitTorrents are supported by much clients, but you can choose one here.
13:49:53<justauser>IPFS might work better than BitTorrent.
13:50:08<filipp>ideally, they should be able to run both Mac and Windows versions of those things tho... I'll have to think about that one...
13:50:12<justauser>Isn't Docker only for Linux-on-Linux?
13:50:58<justauser>Two VM images with a selector, each having its programs inside.
13:51:20<justauser>Check whether you want some rollback ability and how to implement it.
13:51:53<justauser>Simplest way is to have the disk image read-only on the host and force installing onto a RAM disk.
13:52:22<justauser>But maybe go full snapshots.
13:52:56<filipp>yup
13:53:13<filipp>very interesting ideas... I need to digest this a bit...
13:53:15<filipp>big thanks!!!
13:55:20<filipp>IPFS seems a bit too unproven for me still... plus, I can't even use it on my current laptop (macOS 11). I'd like to build the most sustainable solution possible and hence would rather pick stuff that's proven to work already for a couple of decades :)
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13:56:59<justauser>For fetching updates without centralized server, you may try going Keyoxide-style.
13:57:28<justauser>Let clients know a PGP public key and occasionally refresh it against public keyservers.
13:57:46<justauser>I think SKS pool is still sorta alive?
13:58:09<justauser>And embed a magnet link to the latest version as a UserID.
13:59:17<justauser>Freenet/Hyphanet is another decades-proven option, but heavy and potentially controversial.
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14:00:18<justauser>Something custom on top of BT DHT - with caution.
14:01:18<filipp>lots of new terminology here for me! :D /searching...
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14:03:03<filipp>I just loved BTs simplicity. Wrote a client and tracker in PHP back in undergrad. It's a tech pretty much anyone can implement from the original spec and I just love that, esp. for long-term archival purposes :)
14:04:16<filipp>I'd really like to avoid complicated stuff with massive dependency graphs, just as a general rule
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14:17:44<filipp>ps. Super grateful to have place to be able to discuss these topics. 🙏
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15:07:35<h2ibot>Cruller edited Deathwatch (+328, /* 2026-03 */ Add gamewiki.jp and Sanrio…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60308&oldid=60265
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17:28:54<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/archived (+99, Queued ubuntu-mate.community): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=60309&oldid=60079
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20:32:29<kline>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Alive..._OR_ARE_THEY describes scene.org as the authoritative host for demos, even more than pouet/demozoo. I now have a complete copy that I can update nightly by rsync, what's the best way and place to store this? I'm happy to break it down into chunks for archive.org, but mostly I'm wondering how to version/update it appropriately as
20:32:31<kline>it receives frequent updates throughout the entire file tree
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20:55:37<klea>kline: if you had them as WARCs, that'd be a good way, since they'd get indexed in the WBM, if not, i'm not sure, i suppose wait until someone more knowledgeable replies.
20:55:55<klea>well, they'd have a chance to get indexed, by default items don't get indexed in WBM.
20:55:58<kline>to be clear, i mean i have an archive of their file repository, not their website
20:58:53<klea>oh
20:59:12<klea>i thought their website linked to the file repo
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21:00:27<kline>the website does have an index view of their website, but for mirroring they provide an rsync server so you can get speedy synchronisation
21:00:55<kline>so I've got a complete copy and now I just tell it to resync every few days, and it downloads all the updates and just the updates
21:02:41<klea>oh
21:03:03<klea>i'm not sure, if you can wait for a while for someone to answer.
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