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09:19:06<h2ibot>PaulWise edited Obstacles (+11, Incapsula): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59081&oldid=59061
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11:16:22<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/archived (+103, Queued community.humanetech.com): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59082&oldid=59078
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12:31:32<h2ibot>Klea edited Distributed recursive crawls (+66, /* Candidates */ IRC suggestion): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59083&oldid=58582
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14:00:49<h2ibot>PaulWise edited Obstacles (-4, fix typo): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59084&oldid=59081
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16:30:06<justauser>cruller: https://digizeitschriften.de/ is now dead content-wise, but has a promise to make thing available for download starting 02-01.
16:30:15<justauser>Do you want to talk to them?
16:31:37<justauser>arkiver, JAA: apprently you sorted it out while I was AFK, but no, they weren't AB-ready, just a quick discovery, the latter from CDX API (I thought the extension made it obvious).
16:32:34<justauser>Re: forge: I thought Gitea/Forgejo has no concept of due date? /cc klea
16:32:58<justauser>I know Gitlab does, but it's too complex.
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17:50:43<@OrIdow6>c3manu: on bot noise/sorting stuff - IMO the main issue is that it creates noise in this otherwise bot-free discussion channel. But I can see the advantages of limiting it for edit-history purposes too, would be annoying to click thru the history of a list and have every other edit be something by a bot
17:52:18<@OrIdow6>But anyhow the wiki has so many dusty corners that I'm supportive of klea running a few too many edits in the process of cleaning them, versus the previous state of none at all
17:53:56<@OrIdow6>I recall that Wikipedia had a way to supress bot edits?
17:54:05<justauser>For keeping the channel clean, just silencing bot and/or minor edits is perfectly fine.
17:54:07<@OrIdow6>From recentchanges etc
17:54:49<justauser>They are already gone from Special:RecentChanges by default.
18:07:20<Doranwen>It seems likely that LJ is on its way out (see the convo here) though exact timeline cannot be determined whatosever: https://bsky.app/profile/rahaeli.bsky.social/post/3mbebi2xfxc25
18:07:37<Doranwen>What's the best way to get full LJs into the WBM? I've never done much with that.
18:11:55<justauser>If there is an individual journal you deeply care about, ask for AB.
18:12:25<justauser>There is a planned DPoS project, but IDK how ready it is.
18:12:28<Doranwen>There are a few, it's more like there are dozens and dozens, lol. That may be a bit much for AB.
18:12:35<@OrIdow6>Will have to wait for the end of year rush
18:12:42<klea>inb4 OrIdow6 convinces JAA to make the bot for the wiki only show non bot edits here
18:13:02<justauser>arkiver: Do you think #Y can wait a bit more XD?
18:13:12<klea>then i guess we have to get ark_iver for it
18:13:19<klea>to make a DPoS
18:13:22<justauser>This one doesn't look good.
18:14:28<klea>another potential point in favour of the integrating all of at's functionality into one phorge instance is that it'd be easier to make PRs and stuff to create more DPoSes and have people with access just check the request and approve it, which would take less than writing code themselves
18:14:43<Doranwen>It really, really doesn't. Plus, "Given the lack of advance notice for the changes in that RU news post, I suspect the sale or shutdown will come equally without notice if and when it happens."
18:14:44<klea>not that i know how to make proper DPoSes
18:15:00<Doranwen>This is the best advance notice anyone's likely to get.
18:15:00<justauser>It doesn't look like more than one person knows.
18:15:19<@OrIdow6>I know, but arkiver is must faster than me :D
18:15:41<klea>!remind 2026-01-14T00:53:42Z OrIdow6 add LJ (https://bsky.app/profile/rahaeli.bsky.social/post/3mbebi2xfxc25) to https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Shutdown_rumors,_hoaxes,_and_scares while at it
18:15:42<eggdrop>[remind] unable to parse time: unable to convert date-time string "OrIdow6": syntax error (characters 0-5)
18:15:59<klea>!remind OrIdow6 2026-01-14T00:53:42Z add LJ (https://bsky.app/profile/rahaeli.bsky.social/post/3mbebi2xfxc25) to https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Shutdown_rumors,_hoaxes,_and_scares while at it
18:15:59<eggdrop>[remind] ok, i'll remind OrIdow6 at 2026-01-14T00:53:42Z
18:16:24<Doranwen>I can easily compile long lists of journals and communities that need archiving but would have to know where to drop them.
18:16:52<klea>justauser: (re gitea/forgejo) from what i could see at my forgejo instance i can set a due date, but i believe doesn't allow setting time
18:16:54<justauser>By default, the project's channel #recordedjournal.
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18:17:47<Doranwen>That was for creating a separate tool to archive, which never got finished. If it's just a matter of chucking into ArchiveBot, does it still go there?
18:18:20<justauser>As you said, it's too much for AB.
18:18:50<justauser>But I'd say use the specific channel if there is one.
18:19:12klea agrees to have Doranwen throw lists to #recordedjournal
18:19:23<justauser>Picking signal from #archivebot noise is noo hard.
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18:20:46<klea>justauser: time to use #archivebot-bs more :p.
18:22:20<justauser>What do you propose to keep there?
18:22:51<klea>lengthy discussions about things related to AB
18:22:56<klea>2026-01-01 18:19:23 <justauser> Picking signal from #archivebot noise is noo hard.
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18:58:12<Doranwen>On a broader related basis - LJ is only one of the sites I have linked to in my fic db. All of the fics are linked to directly in posts on my DW - but it's also super easy to create a query that pulls *just* the links. Is there somewhere I should chuck that at some point to make sure all of those are in the WBM? It'd be just a list of ~2900 individual post/work pages on about 20 different sites, mostly AO3 and ff.n (and some are
18:58:13<Doranwen>already WBM links so would get excluded).
19:00:14<klea>it'd be interesting to get AO3 archived
19:00:23<Doranwen>The posts on my DW, for relevance (the database-generated ones linked): https://doranwen.dreamwidth.org/263422.html
19:00:37<justauser>CDX API can be used to tell if they are archived.
19:00:49<justauser>Better way might be to just archive them instead.
19:01:00<justauser>Ask in #archivebot or in #//.
19:01:48<Doranwen>I do run sweeps periodically to make sure that deleted fics get marked or moved depending on if WBM versions are accessible, but would be helpful to prevent having to move more fics to my "dead fics" (aka "can't access this fic anywhere online") post.
19:01:50<Doranwen>Will do.
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19:02:24<justauser>AO3 has a wiki page, but not much information.
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19:14:36<klea>for AO3 sequential ids
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19:48:58<pokechu22>Doranwen: there is a an etherpad at https://pad.notkiska.pw/p/archivebot-livejournal which is mostly abandoned but has a list of livejournal stuff we want to run at some point
19:49:10<pokechu22>doing it in archivebot is troublesome though
20:06:52Doranwen nods
20:07:20<Doranwen>Well, at some point may have come to "now or never". I have been longing for a tool to scrape LJ for quite some time but without the skills to create one, am at the mercy of whoever takes the time to work on it.
20:08:15<Doranwen>Currently, that's only been a guy who knows VisualBasic and does stuff using MSOffice - as a Linux user, that's been something I'm not even going to try to do, so I've had to have a friend of mine scrape any that I wanted.
20:09:35<@JAA>justauser: Gitea has long had a due date on issues; I'd be very surprised if that got removed.
20:11:33<@JAA>(I.e. I haven't verified that Forgejo does, too, but it should.)
20:15:14<@JAA>Use #recordedjournal for anything further about LiveJournal please.
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20:43:52<h2ibot>Klea edited Archive of Our Own (+148, add ?view_adult=true and work ids sequential): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=59086&oldid=55258
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21:25:22<klea>also, another point in favour of phorge (at least for issues) you can make issues that can only be read by certain people, even if they're on normal project and stuff, which makes it possible to start tracking stuff privately
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21:25:56<klea>ofc whoever manages the phorge, and whoever owns the bots that you authorize to have access to the ticket would also have access to those tickets
21:48:49<@JAA>Looks like there's been significant movement on that front in Forgejo recently (https://codeberg.org/forgejo/design/issues/2 ), but yeah, not there yet.
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22:29:02klea wonders why people hate overengineering
22:30:37<@JAA>I like overengineering for shits and giggles, but it's annoying for actual production systems.
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22:35:01<klea>i mean, it seems to have been used by facebook at some point so it should work?
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22:42:05<@JAA>I mean that more complex setups tend to be a larger maintenance burden.
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23:48:15<Webuser025112>hello, i could not find instructions about submitting smaller sites / blogs for archival, and https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Alive..._OR_ARE_THEY says it hosts sites that "solicit so much content, contain so many works and projects by a wide group of people, or have the internet particularly dependent on them", and deathwatch only lists
23:48:15<Webuser025112>sites with death dates announced. i recently found out that an artist i follow has passed away about a year ago, and i worry that their blog, hosted on fc2.com, may come down eventually due to lack of maintenance. the url would be http://azukiosamitu.blog100.fc2.com , is there a place on the mediawiki to put sites like this, or a way for me to run
23:48:15<Webuser025112>an archive job myself? thank you in advance
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23:51:16<pokechu22>Webuser025112: Hi, for stuff like that it generally just makes sense to ask in this channel, and then someone can run it in #archivebot
23:51:36<pokechu22>we generally don't put details for small sites on the wiki since there are a *lot* of them and we also save sites proactively with archivebot
23:53:14<Webuser025112>alright, ill stand by if theres any more questions about the site etc
23:53:44<pokechu22>I've started a job: http://archivebot.com/?initialFilter=azukiosamitu.blog100.fc2.com
23:54:27<Webuser025112>thanks!
23:56:15<pokechu22>Thanks for letting us know as well - and if you know of anything else like that feel free to share it here
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23:58:08<Webuser025112>i will! thanks for the work you do ! ^^
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