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00:20:16<Guest>is it normal for the universal-tracker to take several seconds to load each page?
00:20:48<nicolas17>your own install of it?
00:25:51<Guest>yes
00:26:22<Guest>its using the development redis database, but i dont believe that should be any slower
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00:26:37<Guest>its the ruby http server thats the problem
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01:38:22<Guest>i can also queue items, but the grab container isnt picking them up. the host is set correctly (and reachable)
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02:28:11<TheTechRobo>dumb question, but are you using the correct ID for the project in the tracker?
02:29:26<nicolas17>is seesaw still compatible with universal-tracker? wouldn't surprise me if it accidentally (or otherwise) depends on the new tracker now
02:38:33<Guest>nicolas17, TheTechRobo : i just fixed this, the problem is i used the adobeaero-grab code (although i modified it to fix the project), but from what i can tell, it was pulling multiple items at once (with ?multi=MULTI_ITEM_SIZE). the open source universal-tracker doesnt support it and it gives 404 errors (which seesaw interpreted as no items in the queue)
02:38:57<Guest>s/to fix the project/to fit the project
02:46:03<nicolas17>ha, so it was protocol incompatibility kinda
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02:47:48<@JAA>That's in the pipeline code though, not in seesaw.
02:49:34<Guest>yes, the pipeline code was sending an incorrect string to seesaw which caused it to 404
02:49:38<nicolas17>oh so multiitems are an even dirtier hack than I thought
02:49:43<nicolas17>:p
02:50:54<@JAA>Guest: Technically to seesaw, but really to the tracker as seesaw just passes it on. Just wanting to keep the terminology straight there.
02:51:00<@JAA>nicolas17: Absolutely right.
02:51:24<nicolas17>the null-separated item names already looked hackish
02:51:56<nicolas17>but if seesaw itself is completely unaware of all this... lol
02:52:22<@JAA>Yep, seesaw has zero awareness of multi-items.
02:52:28<Guest>the grab script is now giving "Curl expects to upload a single file.", even when rsync concurrent uploads is set to 1. is there any base -grab image that works with universal-tracker out of the bix?
02:52:52<nicolas17>curl?
02:54:37<Guest>yes it says "Uploading with Curl to http://target/warrior/{project}/{downloader}/"
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03:04:19<Guest>i used http instead of rsync.[1] after changing that i got "Unknown module 'warrior'", but had to replace "warrior" with "ateam-airsync" which fixed it. i got the "warrior" from the default uploads config example.
03:04:23<Guest>[1] https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/seesaw-kit/blob/699b0d215768c2208b5b48844c9f0f75bd6a1cbc/seesaw/tracker.py#L235
03:10:21<Guest>"@ERROR: max connections (-1) reached -- try again later", increasing connections env var didnt work. this is using atdr.meo.ws/fusl/ateam-airsync
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03:42:53<TheTechRobo>that will not be the connections var, that will be the disk limits
03:43:35<TheTechRobo>-1 means the target has reached the soft disk limit and is not accepting connections. Assuming you used the 50% example in the README, you probably have >50% disk usage
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04:14:37<nicolas17>https://opensource.samsung.com/uploadList?menuItem=mobile is this down or did they ban me?
04:14:57<nicolas17>ok I'm getting error 522 rather than timeout now
04:15:16<@Fusl>nicolas17: works from here
04:15:35<nicolas17>and now works again
04:15:40<@Fusl>yw
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04:41:56<Webuser473229>l;k;
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05:21:47<eggdrop>[tell] despot: [2025-12-08T13:04:15Z] <cruller> see https://irclogs.archivete.am/archiveteam-bs/2025-12-08#l50ec5a4b
05:21:56<despot>hi there
05:25:17<despot>i noticed that https://prnt.sc/ doesn't have randomized urls. that means https://prnt.sc/111111, https://prnt.sc/111112 and so on are all valid urls. so that's potentially 2176782336 images. if it seems like it might ever go down, would you archive it?
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06:09:48klea wonders if there could be some kind of deduplication https://prnt.sc/111110
06:10:16<klea>since it also returns a 200 for firefox
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06:31:41<despot_>idk honestly, i just noticed that earlier images are 6 letters/digits long. 0 can't be the first number though ive just noticed
06:36:57<@JAA>Pretty sure those are ancient. Recent URLs have [0-9a-zA-Z_-]{12} codes.
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06:45:13<despot_>it seems so
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11:42:32<cruller>Oh wait, links to Siri Shortcuts files are written in https://www.icloud.com/shortcuts/api/records/{id}
11:42:33<cruller>I jumped to the conclusion that getting those files would be difficult, because existing tools couldn't do it. In fact, it seems those tools are simply no longer maintained...
11:42:34<cruller>I should have done a direct investigation first. Non-technicians sometimes take such unnecessary detours.
11:50:52<cruller>*More precisely, people who like detours (and dislike studying) tend to remain non-technicians
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14:49:09<cruller>https://ttn.place/ "With great sadness, the TTN platforms (Social, Tube, Music, and Promo) will be permanently closing as of Friday, 12 December 2025 at 12:00pm BST (7:00am EST)."
14:50:04<cruller>Is "12:00pm BST" equal to "7:00am EST"?
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14:58:51<justauser>And I'm doing a monkey job again. Turned out there is an older version of the app at a subdomain, with all the same nasty habits and mandatory account in addition.
15:20:23<h2ibot>Nintendofan885 edited Talk:YouTube (-234, shorten section title to avoid duplicating…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58471&oldid=58255
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16:06:39<steering>erm, I didn't know that GB used British Summer Time in December. :D
16:07:16<steering>but 12:00pm GMT (or if you want to call it such, "British Time") is equal to 7am EST
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16:15:50<klea>is there some category for pages similar to [[Questions_to_ask_a_user_of_a_threatened_site]], if not, it might be neat to do so, or make a page linking to more pages
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16:31:34<h2ibot>Klea edited Alive... OR ARE THEY (+43, /* Watchlist */…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58473&oldid=58423
16:44:36<h2ibot>Klea edited Archive.today (+1, /* Ditching unsuccessful archivals */ Rotted…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58474&oldid=58296
16:47:35<klea>i think we shoud make [[Template:Wikis]] not be templates but be a separate page preferably, that way observing backlinks is not that hard, else if a page is added to those kinds of templates (iirc there's more of those big linking templates), observing it's backlinks is made very hard
16:55:37<h2ibot>Klea edited Alive... OR ARE THEY (+27, /* Watchlist */ Wikify use [[Template:As of]] more): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58475&oldid=58473
17:01:38<h2ibot>Klea edited Alive... OR ARE THEY (+76, Wikify use [[Template:As of]] even more, and…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58476&oldid=58475
17:03:38<h2ibot>Klea edited TV stations/Tunisia (+90, (Wikify) Use [[Template:As of]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58477&oldid=41371
17:04:38<h2ibot>Klea edited SuperCheats (+22, (Wikify) Use [[Template:As of]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58478&oldid=51208
17:05:39<h2ibot>Klea edited LinuxQuestions (+13, (Wikify) Use [[Template:As of]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58479&oldid=49555
17:05:40<h2ibot>Klea edited Clara.io (-9, (Wikify) Use [[Template:As of]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58480&oldid=55910
17:07:39<h2ibot>Klea edited 4shared (+22, (Wikify) Use [[Template:As of]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58481&oldid=47917
17:07:40<h2ibot>Klea edited Google News Archive (+4, (Wikify) Use [[Template:As of]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58482&oldid=42768
17:11:39<h2ibot>Klea edited WattPad (+9, (Wikify) Use [[Template:As of]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58483&oldid=51610
17:13:40<h2ibot>Klea edited Me at the zoo (-5, (Wikify) Use [[Template:As of]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58484&oldid=52212
17:15:40<h2ibot>Klea edited Literotica (+9, (Wikify) Use [[Template:As of]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58485&oldid=47954
17:29:42<h2ibot>Klea edited Template:Main (+126, Add template documentation): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58486&oldid=32839
17:30:42<h2ibot>Klea edited Template:Governments header (+153, Add template documentation): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58487&oldid=34923
17:38:43<h2ibot>Klea edited Template:Colour (+506, Add template documentation): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58488&oldid=18971
17:40:44<h2ibot>Klea edited Template:Red (+52, Link back to [[Template:Colour]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58489&oldid=18973
17:44:04<klea>is it a good idea to make the [[Template:Offline]] (and similar (iirc only [[Template:Online]]?)) have a part that shows "offline" in red—allowing the showing in lowercase similar to how [[Template:As of]] does—, and the adding to [[Category:Offline projects]] being able to be disabled (this would make "{{colour|red|offline}}" not need to be anywhere else, currently found
17:44:06<klea>in [[IOS]], [[Mobile Phone Applications]], [[Android Applications]] and [[Games/Engines, Platforms and Hostings]]
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17:54:01<klea>* [[Template:Note]] seems to reference [[Template:Tip]] that doesn't exist
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21:02:24<@JAA>klea: {{lc|{{offline}}}} to make it lowercase? And I don't think we need to exclude [[iOS]] et al. from the category.
21:02:38<klea>oh ok
21:02:58<klea>i thought it was not possible do to that because [[Template:As of]] seemed to have a option to make lowercase specifically
21:04:21<@JAA>Yeah, maybe it wouldn't work there because you wouldn't want to lowercase the month.
21:04:48<@JAA>Also, actually, it's {{lc:{{offline}}}}.
21:05:03<klea>thanks
21:05:10<klea>i'll swap uses of the other stupidish way
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21:05:19<@JAA>There's an lcfirst, but that probably doesn't like the colour thing, so I guess that's why [[Template:As of]] needs its own thing.
21:05:53<klea>oh
21:06:19<h2ibot>Klea edited IOS (-8, Use [[Template:Offline]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58490&oldid=58459
21:07:21<h2ibot>Klea edited Mobile Phone Applications (-8, Use [[Template:Offline]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58491&oldid=58355
21:08:19<h2ibot>Klea edited Android Applications (-28, Use [[Template:Offline]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58492&oldid=58400
21:10:20<h2ibot>Klea edited Games/Engines, Platforms and Hostings (-12, Use [[Template:Offline]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58493&oldid=51670
21:11:21<h2ibot>Klea edited Games/Engines, Platforms and Hostings (-14, Use [[Template:Red]] instead of…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58494&oldid=58493
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21:52:54<ericgallager>for [[Template:As of]], I think it has "lc=y" because VoynichCr was just duplicating the functionality that that template has on Wikipedia (because I asked for it)
21:56:13<klea>oh
21:56:16<klea>https://git.madhouse-project.org/iocaine/iocaine/src/branch/main/src
21:56:21<klea>another anti-llm thingy
21:57:44<nicolas17>klea: did you see the module names?
21:57:56<klea>oh you mean the interesting names?
21:58:09<klea>yes
21:58:28<nicolas17>apparently that's another anti-llm measure
21:58:29<klea>i just copied it here from another irc channel where people talked about how it had an interesting naming scheme
21:58:34<klea>oh, nice
21:58:38klea queers this room a little
22:00:00<nicolas17>"the developer of Iocaine (anti-scraper script thing) has been naming their types shit like "SexDungeon" so that it trips LLMs' anti-anything-a-conservative-wouldn't-like filters and they won't work on it"
22:00:30<nicolas17>it's making it really hard to understand what this code is doing tho
22:00:50<klea>see, making it harder for OpenAI researchers to understand how it works :p
22:01:53<nicolas17>oh there was no documentation because I was looking at /src and not the root dir
22:02:12<klea>yes, i copied the link exactly, and then had to clean it to send it to SWH :p
22:04:09<@JAA>Yeah, quixotic is another one. Quite a few of these popped up in spring.
22:04:37<@JAA>Nepenthes, too
22:05:27<h2ibot>Klea edited Discourse/uncategorized (+58, Add https://discuss.huggingface.co/): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58495&oldid=58465
22:06:27<h2ibot>Klea edited Discourse/uncategorized (+1, Forgot to put closing ], added…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58496&oldid=58495
22:06:35<klea>JAA: could you add to wiki?
22:08:08<klea>i should figure out how to bork the wait timer for pywikibot
22:08:27<h2ibot>KleaBot edited Discourse (+0, Reordered websites): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58497&oldid=58408
22:08:28<h2ibot>KleaBot edited Discourse/uncategorized (+0, Reordered websites): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58498&oldid=58496
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22:20:09<klea>Re: HuggingFace, is there some problem to downloading a multiple terabyte thingy from the git lfs thingy?
22:20:17<klea>i guess IA doesn't want that probably
22:20:28<klea>even tho they have a talk to gemini button on one of their websites :(
22:21:50<@JAA>I'd like to know the total size of HuggingFace. I bet it's in the petabytes.
22:22:35<klea>https://help.archive.org/help/how-to-view-tapestries-common-error-messages/ makes me believe Tapestries is owned by IA, and when i click on the link to the site list and click a random tapestry, such as https://tapestries.media/u/futureofthebook/MITMediaLab, i see a button that when i click on it, a dialog appears telling me to talk to gemini (which requires me sign up with
22:22:37<klea>google)
22:24:26<klea>JAA: ask on their forum?
22:24:31that_lurker is thinking about asking for thhe total size through website@huggingface.co :-P
22:24:35<klea>oh
22:24:38<that_lurker>s/thhe/the
22:25:06klea wonders if it'd be a good idea to save random crap to huggingface.co
22:25:11<klea>it seems it doesn't cost money to save stuff right?
22:26:01<klea>inb4 we make age(JAA->getAgePubkey(purpose: "ArchiveTeam saving a copy of IA"), IA.BAK) to huggingface
22:26:17<klea>ie, they get a encrypted blob that only JAA can decrypt
22:26:28<klea>maybe i should go to #internetarchive.bak
22:27:05<klea>oh, i'm stupid, and didn't notice [https://huggingface.co/pricing] that it's not free
22:27:50<that_lurker>I think commoncrawl would be uploaded there first :-P
22:28:54<that_lurker>arkiver: Btw is #// starting to get close to commoncrawl level of coverage or have we gone past that already?
22:28:55<nicolas17>uploading all of IA into huggingface would make these AI dipshits think they have permission to train from that data
22:29:25<klea>> We run every file of your repositories through a malware scanner.
22:29:27<klea>ie, we run every file trough clamav, and ask VirusTotal if they have the hash checked, and also pass them trough something called picklecrash
22:29:32<klea>nicolas17: that's why we encrypt it first :p
22:29:49<klea>https://age-encryption.org/
22:30:10<nicolas17>I think textfiles caught people uploading encrypted backups of their personal computers as archive.org items
22:30:25<nicolas17>and promptly yeeted them
22:30:32<klea>so deleted them, or banned their accounts?
22:30:46<klea>i guess the latter
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22:36:31<h2ibot>Nintendofan885 edited Library of Alexandria (-5, use red link {{Offline}}): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58499&oldid=28865
22:38:13<klea>nicolas17: would jason have yeeted them if they were non-encrypted backups?
22:38:31<h2ibot>Nintendofan885 edited Library of Alexandria (+13, actually, it needs the URL parameter otherwise…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58500&oldid=58499
22:39:17klea wonders what error you get, doesn't know who [[User:Nintendofan885]] is on irc
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23:47:41<h2ibot>That lurker edited Archiveteam:IRC/Relay (+110, Add #apod): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58501&oldid=57624
23:48:41<h2ibot>That lurker edited Archiveteam:IRC/Relay (-13, links are hard): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=58502&oldid=58501
23:48:59<that_lurker>klea: ^ you might like that
23:49:34<klea>oh, so you run the feed bot?
23:49:48<@JAA>/whois feed
23:50:19<that_lurker>yes
23:51:59<klea>nice
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