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02:38:27<@JAA>It's now redirecting to the new forums.
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02:53:19<@JAA>DNS changed from CNAME forum-lb-2082650296.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com to CNAME www.cyberlink.com → CNAME d3it87pvl2tmgl.cloudfront.net, but the former is the one that's timing out, so they didn't only switch the DNS.
02:54:23<@JAA>Sad that we didn't hear about it sooner.
02:55:44<@JAA>The Corsair, DDO, and LOTRO forums are still online, by the way.
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03:09:57<steering>re cyberlink: ok but who's actually buying DVD player software in 2025 :P
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07:17:31<pabs>kiska: mannie noticed that this pad got emptied, is there any way to restore it to an earlier revision? https://pad.notkiska.pw/p/archivebot-twitter
07:18:34<pabs>version 34182 in the timeline was the last good one
07:19:17<pabs>actually make that 34175
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07:22:16<mannie>kiska: the twitter etherpad is empty pabs looked at it and the latest good one is version 34175. Can you take a look at it?
07:22:42pabs already mentioned it :)
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09:32:50<h2ibot>Hans5958 edited Main Page/Current Projects (+21, Move Peing to medium): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57196&oldid=57184
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10:55:48<Webuser923772>Hi guys, how much were you able to archive of the cyberlink forum? I saw that it went offline this morning
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11:08:02<@imer>Webuser923772: "JAA: I got about half of all threads with qwarc, without attachments.", the archivebot job also saved some pages, likely nowhere near complete though :(
11:13:02<Webuser923772>I have all the PowerDVD (older versions) threads, both english and german, with all attachments. Unfortunately i didn't know about this community till it was too late for full archival
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11:17:52<Webuser923772>Forum-Index » PowerDVD (ältere Versionen) -> 1976 german threads with attachments
11:17:52<Webuser923772>Forum Index » PowerDVD (previous versions) -> 7490 english threads with attachments
11:18:18<Webuser923772>If needed i can send this batch that i archived, there are probably some other pages that the spider got too
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11:20:32<@imer>Webuser923772: can you upload it to archive.org?
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14:51:16<kiska>pabs: Rev has been restored
14:51:53<pabs>kiska++
14:51:53<eggdrop>[karma] 'kiska' now has 13 karma!
14:52:46<kiska>Go through it and actually make sure it restored to that version, cause the api for that is a little... unstable :D
15:11:44<pabs>looks like it
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15:35:53<h2ibot>Manu edited Mailing Lists (+29, Mailman 3: Add lists.das-labor.org): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57197&oldid=57008
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16:54:48<justauser|m>https://fastcode.io/2025/08/30/the-69-billion-domino-effect-how-vmwares-debt-fueled-acquisition-is-killing-open-source-one-repository-at-a-time/ unsure about the potential for data loss. Docker images will no longer be supported, but they promise not to kill them.
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17:47:37<@OrIdow6>b3nzo: It's fairly informal, work on what you want mostly (with the caveat that 'what you want' is often difficult to pull off for technical/other practical reasons)
17:47:51<@OrIdow6>Lots of people just run machines that do grabbing
17:50:24<b3nzo>i emailed jason regarding a project im working on, so after a bit of discussion he suggested to join archiveteam and to have a look at archiveteam.org for the info, but i couldnt find it
17:50:47<justauser|m>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/ should work.
17:51:12<justauser|m>What kind of info?
17:53:39<b3nzo>im working on a personal web archival project to archive webpages and crawl and then to upload on wayback
17:54:10<b3nzo>but IA denied to index my warc files on wayback
17:54:40<justauser|m>Are there any special requirements for crawling? Would ArchiveBot work?
17:56:06<b3nzo>so reached out to jason on how they can be indexed on the wayback, and he said that only authorized "chain of custody" sources are indexed on the wayback, and he said to join archiveteam so i could get warc files from my project indexed
17:58:23<b3nzo>no, just regular crawling and prioritizing the sites that blocked IA's crawler like reddit
17:58:51<b3nzo>i just built a pipeline using grab-site
17:59:42<b3nzo>so ig its quite similar to how ArchiveBot works(dont know much abt ArchiveBot)
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18:18:48<@JAA>If you support the cause, you're part of AT, more or less. Like others have mentioned, there's no formal membership. However, getting WARCs into the WBM isn't as open (and can't be).
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18:28:16<@OrIdow6>b3nzo: Reddit and the like might be problematic, I don't know what our status on that is; but if you have a short list of URLs we might be able to run it on what exists now
18:32:04<@arkiver>yeah limited numbers of URLs could probably be archived
18:32:23<@arkiver>maybe via ArchiveBot - i believe there is not a very strong/strict scope at the moment for ArchiveBot
18:34:49<b3nzo>JAA: yea that was the reason i reached out to Jason, but not sure what he meant by joining AT, ig i have to wait for his reply
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18:37:09<b3nzo>OrIdow6: yea, they can be problematic for displaying on the WBM, but its upto the IA team on what to display and what not to, they'll just store my WARCs of all domains
18:38:04<@JAA>Yeah, uploading WARCs is always fine and still useful even if they're not added to the WBM index.
18:40:40<@OrIdow6>b3nzo: I mean, I don't know how much capacity we have right now to capture Reddit even if you do give us a list of Reddit URLs you want captured
18:42:36<b3nzo>OrIdow6: i dont have a list of URLs yet, im still working on the pipeline(should be done with it by this week), and then the plan is it launch a chrome extension to capture user's URLs(without IP logging or any cookies), blocking domains like gmail, discord, outlook,etc and then implement specific scraping rules for specific sites for better url collection(especially for dynamically loaded pages)
18:44:57<@OrIdow6>b3nzo: How are you generating WARCs from a Chrome extension? We've looked at that before but it's seemed like its API doesn't give a good way to complely accurately capture what goes over the wire (by aggressively normalizing headers off the top of my head, among other things)
18:45:34<b3nzo>OrIdow6: what do you mean by "I don't know how much capacity we have", do you mean the warrior?
18:46:42<@OrIdow6>b3nzo: Warrior or any other system. Mostly availablity of clean IP addresses but also whatever resources may be needed to capture Reddit these days
18:46:47<b3nzo>OrIdow6: nah, im not generating WARCs through extension, the extension just collects URLs from the users activity
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18:52:29<b3nzo>would there be any legal issues if i publish the warc files on the project site?
18:53:14<b3nzo>or are corporations more aggressive towards sites which display the archives?
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18:59:19<@arkiver>do you mean archive.org with "project site"?
18:59:33<@arkiver>you can upload them to there, if there's a problem with them they may be taken down though
18:59:51<@arkiver>and they will not land in the Wayback Machine but in a collection with WARCs uploaded by various accounts on IA
19:03:14<b3nzo>i meant uploading on IA and on my project's site, so basically 2 locations
19:06:56<@arkiver>regarding legal issue on your own site, you would have to talk with lawyer about that
19:08:18<b3nzo>yea, if i upload warcs they endup at archive.org/details/warczone
19:13:30<@arkiver>yep
19:13:43<@arkiver>so, feel free to do that!
19:14:02<@arkiver>maybe not tens of TBs, but sounds like the plan is not too broad
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19:31:14<b3nzo>yea, will just upload archives for the meantime until i can get them indexed
19:32:48<b3nzo>why does IA lock all the indexed archives? even if some of them arent equipped with antibot/yt-dlp
19:34:40<@arkiver>i can't speak for the crawls by IA themselves, but we have had to restrict direct access to our (Archive Team) WARCs due to scraping for LLM training and due to containing data blocked for access through the Wayback Machine
19:35:02<@arkiver>many are somewhat positive towards web archiving, but not towards mass scale AI training data collection
19:35:47<@arkiver>making the WARCs fully available would effectively mean getting archived by us is the same as giving all their public data to AI companies for training
19:35:53<@arkiver>(yay for LLMs :/ )
19:36:37<@JAA>We should put this in an FAQ entry.
19:36:42<@arkiver>yeah
19:36:52<@arkiver>(see also recent news articles about IA and Reddit problems)
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19:50:49<b3nzo>the AI data problem is just getting bigger, and the IA is getting a lot of hate even though they dont support it
19:51:50<Guest>i thought ai companies already got all the human generated data 😂
19:52:40<b3nzo>they certainly scraped almost all the data
19:52:58<b3nzo>but they would want more and updated data
19:56:06<Guest>anthropic got a slap on the wrist for scanning millions of books they purchased to train ai and the courts sided with meta after they torrented over 80tb of media for ai training
19:56:56<Guest>insane times we live in. most people have probably never seen 80tb worth of content.
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20:02:35<h2ibot>Anonymoususer852 edited Frequently Asked Questions (+821, /* We Are Not The Internet Archive */ Added…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57198&oldid=56265
20:07:01<masterx244|m>arkiver: sucks for future cases like the imgone warc-eating though. Not possible for most members here anymore to crunch the data to extract stuff
20:07:35<h2ibot>Anonymoususer852 edited Frequently Asked Questions (+180, "Why can't I download the WARCs for some…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=57199&oldid=57198
20:10:41<b3nzo>at the end of the day, none of the ai companies will pay a penny towards the charges
20:11:44<masterx244|m>yeah, fuckturds at the finest level
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