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00:06:28<gamer191-1|m>If you take out "&asset_types=videos", then I assume it will also include photos, documents and campaign materials?
00:06:39<pokechu22>Yes
00:07:32<pokechu22>also looks like https://www.farmtransparency.org/gallery?asset_types=videos&p=2 works for pagination compared to https://www.farmtransparency.org/gallery?asset_types=videos and doesn't require that header, so I can just throw those in and discover things that way
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00:47:46<pokechu22>JAA: would qwarc be usable to grab things like https://www.farmtransparency.org/scripts/asset-display?p=3&asset_types=videos and https://www.farmtransparency.org/scripts/asset-popup?id=skfjn8ldvu28i3z8wrin&type=photos with X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest while *not* extracting embedded images/outlinks? (Those URLs seem necessary to navigate the site with javascript but have
00:47:48<pokechu22>alternative forms that archivebot can process)
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00:57:12<@JAA>pokechu22: Sure. qwarc does no extraction whatsoever on its own.
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01:15:15<pokechu22>JAA: https://transfer.archivete.am/T3y6Q/www.farmtransparency.org_scripts_asset-display_urls.txt
01:15:16<eggdrop>inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/T3y6Q/www.farmtransparency.org_scripts_asset-display_urls.txt
01:16:07<pokechu22>will prepare a list of asset-popup URLs after the job finishes
01:18:54<pabs>magmaus3: can you put the kitsunes.club/etc shutdowns into Deathwatch?
01:20:18<cruller>For now, I extracted links from https://www.farmtransparency.org/gallery? and https://www.farmtransparency.org/scripts/asset-display?p={2..294}& : https://transfer.archivete.am/11qwn6/Farm_Transparency_Repository_urls.txt
01:20:18<eggdrop>inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/11qwn6/Farm_Transparency_Repository_urls.txt
01:21:11<pokechu22>I started a job using https://transfer.archivete.am/4N1aQ/www.farmtransparency.org_seed_urls.txt which should have archivebot extract those itself (and I also included some basic faceting in that)
01:21:13<eggdrop>inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/4N1aQ/www.farmtransparency.org_seed_urls.txt
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01:25:23<pokechu22>the videos part is slightly annoying - it would require reading the page HTML to determine the resolution (e.g. <a href="javascript:void(0);" class="download" data-size="source_2704">Source (2.44gb)</a> on https://www.farmtransparency.org/videos?id=p7tyen34at but <a href="javascript:void(0);" class="download" data-size="source_1280">Source (8.71mb)</a> on
01:25:25<pokechu22>https://www.farmtransparency.org/videos?id=l5b22836ku). The POST to https://www.farmtransparency.org/videos?id=p7tyen34at&action=download then redirects to the video download (which I'm not sure about the rate-limiting of).
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01:28:17<pokechu22>I *think* that if we generate WARCs of the POST to the download at source resolution, that would replay properly on web.archive.org (assuming it ignores POST data, and just grabs whatever POST happened at that URL). Though the redirect aspect would also be inconvenient.
01:29:25<@JAA>I believe that's what the WBM does for POST, yeah.
01:29:42<pokechu22>It seems like the video URLs are valid for 24 hours, and I don't think it's tied to a specific IP
01:30:00<pokechu22>so the POST part could happen on one machine and then archivebot could handle downloading
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01:32:36<@JAA>Ugh, it opens a new tab, I hate that.
01:33:31<pokechu22>Yeah - you can get devtools open by using work offline (see 23:35) but it's still awkward
01:34:14<@JAA>You can also interrupt the page loading and then trigger it again via the dev tools.
01:34:19<@JAA>But yeah
01:35:38<pokechu22>the relevant headers seem to be the cookie 2620368ghwahw90w and the csrf_token post data, both of which can come from any page load (including the main page) and don't change, or at least last for a while
01:37:16<pokechu22>curl --verbose 'https://www.farmtransparency.org/videos?id=p7tyen34at&action=download' -H 'Cookie: 2620368ghwahw90w=XXXX' --data-raw 'size=source_2704&source=full&csrf_token=YYYY' and then the location header
01:37:36<@JAA>Yeah
01:38:51<@JAA>And yeah, looks like 24 hours validity, and they do work from another IP.
01:39:20<pokechu22>JAA: if I got a list of sizes with videos, is there a format for that would be easy to use for you to POST the redirects?
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01:42:34<@JAA>A list of 'videoid size' would work. Or I could extract the size value from the video pages if it's easy to tell which one we want (always source_*?).
01:43:22<@JAA>asset-display is done.
01:44:12<pokechu22>oh, I was thinking I needed to wait for archivebot to finish to make a list for asset-popup but I can just use cruller's list
01:44:37<pokechu22>I'm thinking always source_ but one video had 720p be bigger than source_
01:44:46<@JAA>I guess I can extract it from the asset-display WARC, too?
01:44:57<pokechu22>Oh, yeah
01:45:06<@JAA>Yeah, I'm wondering whether that is a reencode with different settings.
01:46:56<@JAA>I get 1258 video IDs from the asset-display WARC, so I guess that's correct.
01:47:50<pokechu22>ffprobe says the source video is "h264 (High) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p, 1280x720 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1825 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 12800 tbn, 50 tbc (default)" while the 720p one is "h264 (High) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p(tv, bt709), 1280x720, 2187 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 50 tbc (default)", which is a higher bitrate but different in other ways I don't understand
01:50:18<gamer191-1|m>So I guess either the site is wrong about which one is the source, or the 720p one has been upscaled
01:50:21<gamer191-1|m>Which video is it btw?
01:51:53<@JAA>It's not upscaled; they're both 720p.
01:52:18<pokechu22>https://www.farmtransparency.org/videos?id=l5b22836ku
01:52:37<@JAA>But reencoded with better settings perhaps, which means it'll encode the noise and artefacts from the 'source'.
01:53:06<@JAA>The source file has the encoder settings metadata stripped, sadly.
01:54:57<pokechu22>It's also possible that the original news broadcast spent longer encoding it better while vimeo's reencode was done faster and thus larger for the same quality... I think?
01:57:53<@JAA>Yeah, that's also plausible.
01:59:45<pokechu22>JAA: https://transfer.archivete.am/OFjmP/www.farmtransparency.org_scripts_asset-popup_urls.txt.zst
02:00:56<pokechu22>I don't think you can extract from the asset-display WARC since that's just pagination and doesn't include URLs, but you should be able to extract from the asset-popup warc? (unless you're just using asset-display to list it and then downloading separately, instead of using the WARC itself to determine the data-size values)
02:03:17<@JAA>I'm getting the video IDs from asset-display, and then I'll fetch the video page to extract the right size parameter for each video.
02:03:37<pokechu22>Alright
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02:30:12<@JAA>Hmm, something isn't right.
02:30:49<@JAA>I'm sending the right things, I think, but I get a redirect back to the video page.
02:31:42<@JAA>Oh, I guess it would help to use POST rather than GET.
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02:38:15<@JAA>asset-popup is done.
02:46:22<@JAA>Looks like the download endpoint is very rate-limited.
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02:48:42<@JAA>After 10 successful ones, it started redirecting to the video page instead.
02:49:37<pokechu22>Hmm, maybe the csrf key expired?
02:49:50<pokechu22>or are you still getting the same one?
02:50:16<gamer191-1|m>“I’m sending the right things…" out if interest, how did you fix it? I was having the same issue earlier, using Firefox’s “copy as curl” function
02:50:21<@JAA>Still the same, and the cookie hasn't changed either.
02:50:42<@JAA>But I extract the token from every video page anyway, so if it did change, I'd pick it up.
02:50:55<@JAA>And the cookie handling happens automatically by aiohttp.
02:51:23<@JAA>gamer191-1|m: 02:31:42 <@JAA> Oh, I guess it would help to use POST rather than GET.
02:52:19<gamer191-1|m>Can you download through your browser or same issue? Perhaps you’d need to use incognito to get a new token, but that’s obviously too cumbersome to do every 10 videos unless it can be automated
02:55:59<@JAA>Clearing the cookie jar doesn't seem to help.
02:56:31<@JAA>gamer191-1|m: I'm running this on a server and can't easily check with a browser through there.
02:57:25<gamer191-1|m>@JAA: “Please mirror our stuff, but also, we'll make it as hard as we can.”
02:57:25<gamer191-1|m>Reminds me of Kick.com advising users who wish to download their data to use yt-dlp, but then enabling Cloudflare TLS fingerprinting🤣
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02:58:27<gamer191-1|m>“I'm running this on a server and can't easily check with a browser through there.” Can you try switching between IPv4 and IPv6 to see if it’s IP-based?
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03:00:40<@JAA>I did get another batch of 10 when I mentioned the cookie jar, so at least it expires somewhat quickly.
03:02:23<@JAA>IPv4/v6 selection isn't currently implemented in qwarc, and I'm not sure aiohttp even exposes it.
03:03:24<@JAA>Ah, it's in the TCPConnector, yeah, that'd require some patching.
03:04:36<@JAA>FWIW, both those runs that got download URLs were over IPv6.
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03:23:31<@JAA>Those were less than 10 minutes apart, but 30 minutes later now I'm still blocked. :-|
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04:41:37<fuzzy80211>need ips JAA?
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07:55:47<@JAA>fuzzy80211: It seems that I can maybe get around it with IPv6, but I'll get back to you if that doesn't work out.
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09:50:20<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/archived (+83, Queued forums.suse.com): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56907&oldid=56881
09:55:21<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/archived (+95, Queued forums.developer.nvidia.com): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56908&oldid=56907
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12:42:39<cruller>Japanese Q&A site "peing.net" will be terminated at 2025/8/29 12:00 (JST). Announcement: https://peing.net/ja/landing_pages/28
12:48:13<cruller>ugh, they disallow ia_archiver https://peing.net/robots.txt
12:50:31<justauser|m>I think when the website closes down, its robots.txt disappears and materials become visible in Wayback.
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13:15:08<cruller>In any case, archiving is important. I'll do some more research on the service.
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14:14:59<nstrom|m>I can't seem to post in #archivebot but fwiw looks like job 9dhhxf8jfmlq6vn10eo0ljph is pulling some files from open s3 bucket https://4dn-open-data-public.s3.amazonaws.com/ , might be worth running that separately if the job doesn't get everything
14:15:15<nstrom|m>cause I hear you guys like open buckets /shrug
14:20:19<anonymoususer852>"I can't seem to post in #archivebot ..." Correct me if I am wrong, but it is possible to talk in #archivebot, just not run commands.
14:21:01<nstrom|m>yeah I know I should be able to but element / matrix seemed to be having issues
14:21:19<nstrom|m>just seemed to be in that channel though
14:21:25<anonymoususer852>Ah I see.
14:22:38<anonymoususer852>Yeah you are in that channel, I checked before posting my reply. I use a regular IRC client, connected directly to hackint network, and am able to post there.
14:31:55<nstrom|m>probably just matrix being matrix
14:35:08<h2ibot>Anonymoususer852 edited Talk:Glitch (+1674, Updated discussion to where the project stands…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56909&oldid=56837
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14:51:50<pabs>IIRC #archivebot gets too many messages, matrix can't keep up
15:06:23<@JAA>cruller: Please add it to Deathwatch!
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15:36:17<h2ibot>Cruller edited Deathwatch (+200, Add Peing): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56910&oldid=56886
15:36:30<@JAA>:-)
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15:37:12<cruller>Fortunately, it seems that questions that have been answered are given a URL of https://peing.net/ja/qs/{sequential number} for sharing. (I checked this using my own account.)
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15:40:11<cruller>The latest number is 1189399360.
15:42:09<cruller>Unanswered questions can also be viewed by typing in the URL directly, but are probably not linked from anywhere.
15:45:41<@JAA>1.2 billion questions? Seems unlikely... Or do they not start at 0?
15:47:19<h2ibot>Cruller edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine (+21, Add Peing): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56911&oldid=56884
15:50:28<cruller>JAA: I haven't looked into the details, but I saw https://peing.net/ja/qs/118
15:51:42<cruller>A sampling survey may be necessary...
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16:03:01<cruller>Oh, unanswered questions can also get sequential number.
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16:15:23<cruller>Assuming that spammers are sending a large number of messages, 1.2 billion may not be surprising. On Peing, you can ask questions even if you don't have an account, and I've never heard of rate limits or CAPTCHAs.
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17:01:45<@JAA>I got the download URLs for 964 videos from farmtransparency.org; the other 294 failed, most seem to be YouTube videos but there were a few other failures, too.
17:01:52<@JAA>1.53 TiB or so for the ones I got.
17:11:53<@JAA>First ones are running in AB, will start more as slots become available.
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17:18:09<NeonGlitch>Heyo! Is https://www.openculture.com/2025/08/2178-occult-books-now-digitized-put-online.html an ArchiveTeam crawl opportunity?
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18:58:32<c3manu>NeonGlitch: it kinda reads like more books would be added in the future?
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19:03:20<NeonGlitch>c3manu: Definitely a possibility.
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19:21:06<c3manu>NeonGlitch: "We are now pleased to report that the first 2,178 books from the Ritman project have come available in their online reading room."
19:21:31<c3manu>NeonGlitch: do you happen to know more about the project?
19:22:17<NeonGlitch>c3manu: I can find out more from folks who work on it. It's not at risk, so probably not ArchiveTeam worthy, although I thought there might be value in a shallow crawl to have a sitemap on hand for future archival needs.
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19:23:33<c3manu>NeonGlitch: to me it definitely looks useful. but the page also seems somewhat JS-heavy, so it could not be that fun dealing with it ^^"
19:24:17<NeonGlitch>c3manu: That's fair, can punt on it for now. Sorry to have bothered!
19:24:37<c3manu>i'm asking because a) if there's a plan already for the next batch that is being worked on, i would wait with throwing it in, or b) if the books are available elsewhere in a more accessible form it might be preferable to fetch that and do the shallow thing you suggested
19:24:58<c3manu>NeonGlitch: no it's all good, thanks for telling us about it :)
19:25:14<c3manu>and anything i just said is just my personal opinion, too ;)
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19:32:46<c3manu>NeonGlitch: just from https://embassyofthefreemind.com/en/library/269-ritman-research-institute and the links in the article it doesn't sound like a short-term project. so waiting for "the right time" will probably have us waiting forever :)
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21:08:33<@JAA>For the record, I'm first running all of those farmtransparency.org videos through AB and only then looking at the ones that failed.
21:12:14<pokechu22>oh, I should also note that I ignored the vimeo embeds on the AB job in case there's a smarter way of handling them later
21:13:01<pokechu22>I doubt we can do it in a way that would make videos play back on web.archive.org (but hopefully we've done the POSTs right so that the download buttons will work)
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22:02:01<Barto>https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg/115033790447125787 interesting...
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