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| 08:02:28 | <@JAA> | https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/user/known-instances/ |
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| 08:58:06 | <BlankEclair> | anubis has a no-js version?? |
| 09:01:27 | <UwU_93bydbco451y> | fr?!! |
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| 09:02:08 | <UwU_93bydbco451y> | oh is it the one that checks if your browser supports CSS animation or something? |
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| 09:02:49 | <UwU_93bydbco451y> | I think I heard they discussed it a while back |
| 09:03:28 | <BlankEclair> | just noticed that functions via <meta http-equiv=refresh ... /> |
| 09:04:11 | <nyakase> | there is an anubis clone called go-away that offers non-js challenges https://git.gammaspectra.live/git/go-away/wiki/Challenges#non-javascript |
| 09:04:19 | <nyakase> | im not sure if anubis itself has them? |
| 09:04:38 | <nyakase> | some sites there might have moved to it, its not automatically maintained. i know sourcehut did |
| 09:05:11 | <BlankEclair> | > curl --no-progress-meter https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/algorithm-selection/ --user-agent 'Mozilla' | grep metarefresh |
| 09:05:12 | <BlankEclair> | </script><script id="anubis_challenge" type="application/json">{"rules":{"algorithm":"metarefresh","difficulty":1,"report_as":4},"challenge":"..."} |
| 09:05:28 | <nyakase> | oh yeah it does as an optional thing https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis/pull/623 |
| 09:05:29 | <nyakase> | cool |
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| 09:10:59 | <UwU_93bydbco451y> | we live in a (AI scrapper's) society after all |
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| 11:10:12 | <kpcyrd> | [X] confirm you're not a robot [X] accept our cookies [X] find a partial hash collision to prove you're not an AI |
| 11:10:23 | <kpcyrd> | web2 is going just great |
| 11:18:45 | <alexlehm> | the hoops get bigger |
| 11:18:57 | <alexlehm> | or more hoops maybe |
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| 11:22:28 | <UwU_93bydbco451y> | hopefully web4 would be better (web3 was DoA) |
| 11:25:55 | <UwU_93bydbco451y> | we'd just knocking a physical network of wires and listening to the vibrations |
| 11:26:28 | <UwU_93bydbco451y> | bah, grammer :( |
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| 12:02:12 | <@arkiver> | i don't entirely get the web1/2/3 stuff |
| 12:02:13 | <@arkiver> | the Internet is the Internet |
| 12:06:04 | <nyakase> | web1 to 2 made some sense (direct web coding vs mass content creation, there was definitely a split in web usage then). 3 was purely a buzzword to shoehorn blockchain tech |
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| 13:52:02 | <hexagonwin> | i've been running grab-site on choimobile.vn for a bit less than 20 hours now and it generally seems to run well, but it seems to download some unnecessary things. For example even if it has obtained /threads/rom-myster-v4-sky-860-slk-len-ke.17492/page-190 it tries to get /threads/rom-myster-v4-sky-860-slk-len-ke.17492/page-190#post-543213 and a bunch of other url for each post on that |
| 13:52:02 | <hexagonwin> | same page for some reason. I'm using the forums and xenforo igset (github.com/ArchiveTeam/grab-site/pull/178), is there more igset i can add to let it ignore/skip those urls with #post- ? |
| 14:04:09 | <hexagonwin> | it seems like even for the same page on the same thread, each time it crawls a different #post- url the page slightly differs due to google/cloudflare related strings getting randomized, like http://www.z80.kr/tmp/a.html and http://www.z80.kr/tmp/b.html (copied example to my server) |
| 14:04:48 | <hexagonwin> | sometimes it catches a dupe, sometimes it doesn't.. |
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| 14:07:02 | <hexagonwin> | the best solution would be to internally strip the #post- suffix so that no valid page is ignored, but it doesn't seem to be possible :/ |
| 14:17:31 | <masterx244|m> | <hexagonwin> "the best solution would be to..." <- thats what the ignore-rules are for. write a regex matching #post-DIGITS anchored to end of string |
| 14:17:37 | <h2ibot> | Exorcism edited PukiWiki (+25, /* Wikifarms */): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56374&oldid=52428 |
| 14:18:20 | <masterx244|m> | (since those post-links are only reachable if you reached the page already, they are the link you get when clicking on a post link) |
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| 14:19:29 | <hexagonwin> | masterx244|m the igset only ignores the link entirely and can't rewrite it to drop that suffix right? i was a bit concerned since i thought the crawler could've got the link from another page that references it, not from the thread's page (where it's an obvious dupe) |
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| 14:20:31 | <hexagonwin> | while reading the xenforo igset I noticed this line, do you know what the %page% part is for? |
| 14:20:36 | <hexagonwin> | " /index\.php\?threads/.*/page-%page% " |
| 14:21:18 | <masterx244|m> | no idea on that weird %page% part |
| 14:22:10 | <masterx244|m> | also: there should be at least one way to a thread without direct post links by going over the topic list |
| 14:22:46 | <hexagonwin> | alright, i'll just let it ignore every #post- suffixed url |
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| 15:44:05 | <murb> | a/win 66 |
| 15:44:11 | <murb> | ffs |
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| 16:14:25 | <Zeether> | hi, I'm not sure if proboards stuff is in any danger but is it fine to submit a forum for archival? |
| 16:46:31 | <@imer> | Zeether: very much so, we archive a lot of things proactively :) |
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| 17:29:50 | <Zeether> | okay, it's this one Kim Possible fan forum that has a few posts from showrunners etc |
| 17:29:57 | <Zeether> | https://ronstoppable.proboards.com/ |
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| 17:37:56 | <@imer> | Zeether: queued, thanks! you should be able to watch progress on http://archivebot.com/ if you like |
| 17:44:14 | <Zeether> | alright, thanks |
| 17:53:49 | <nicolas17> | nyakase: Berners-Lee had already coined web3 for semantic web stuff, the blockchain bros took over it |
| 17:55:30 | | nyakase learned something new |
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| 21:43:00 | <h2ibot> | Pokechu22 edited Mailman/2 (+37, /* Archived */…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56375&oldid=56295 |
| 21:44:01 | <h2ibot> | Pokechu22 edited Deathwatch (+171, /* 2025 */ umakeiba.com): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56376&oldid=56272 |
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| 22:17:41 | <rvtr> | Hey all! I'm trying to figure out a good way to archive some documents for municipalities in Ontario, CA. I can make a list of URLs but there will probably many hundreds of thousands. Is there some way and some place I could submit them all for archiving? |
| 22:20:54 | <rvtr> | Should say this isn't an urgent thing. Governments just use eScribe which doesn't give direct links for crawlers to save. The documents will probably stay up for a good while, but I'd like to have some eventual backup. |
| 22:22:26 | <Vokun> | Hey rvtr. Feel free to upload the list to https://transfer.archivete.am and paste it here. I'm sure someone will be by shortly that can help archive it |
| 22:23:21 | <rvtr> | Thanks! Will still have to track down all the domains, but I'll submit my lists there when I'm done! |
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| 22:50:28 | <Webuser201884> | hello is there anyone that could help me setup a project to run in a docker container on win? when i try to start this project i get an error saying the downloader argument is required, but its there |
| 22:53:06 | <nyakase> | Webuser201884: are you able to share the command with us, preferably using a pastebin like https://paste.debian.net ? |
| 22:55:57 | <Webuser201884> | I'll be honest this is new to me. I can try, but to be sure and not go too back and forth. Im using docker desktop, and its a container, im currently in the Inspect tab on the project im trying to make. would that be the right thing to give you? |
| 22:57:49 | <Webuser201884> | I can get vms to run, thats easy for me but the whole docker things and commands are new. and im using the docker GUI where i can but i feel that might be the wrong way to be doing this |
| 22:57:53 | <nyakase> | ahh i assumed you were starting it through the terminal. i'm not very familiar with the interface of docker desktop |
| 22:58:19 | <Webuser201884> | I can start it through the terminal i can give you an example of one of the commands i was tyring to use |
| 23:00:53 | <nyakase> | sure! just put it in a pastebin so you dont flood the chat please, i think https://pastebin.com has a more user friendly interface |
| 23:01:00 | <Webuser201884> | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1384612 |
| 23:01:04 | <nyakase> | ah thanks lets see |
| 23:01:06 | <Webuser201884> | I think i did that right? |
| 23:01:17 | <nyakase> | yeah |
| 23:02:34 | <nyakase> | to set the downloader (your nickname), you want to put it after the concurrency number |
| 23:02:45 | <nyakase> | like so: "--concurrent 10 nyakase" |
| 23:02:49 | <Webuser201884> | thats the container, and when i try to run it in the docker gui. this is what i get https://paste.debian.net/plain/1384613 |
| 23:02:57 | <nyakase> | im not seeing that in your paste, so that might be why |
| 23:02:57 | <Webuser201884> | oh okay |
| 23:03:20 | <nyakase> | at the same time, i want to warn you about urls-grab specifically |
| 23:03:34 | <Webuser201884> | Here to listen |
| 23:03:37 | <nyakase> | that project can download a lot of urls at once, so you might not want to run it on your personal ip address |
| 23:03:57 | <Webuser201884> | Hm, harms with doing so? Could i use a dedicated ip vpn |
| 23:04:14 | <nyakase> | you might face more aggressive bans than you would get with other projects |
| 23:04:24 | <nyakase> | given the wide variety of sites it would grab |
| 23:04:35 | <Webuser201884> | ahh okay. makes enough sense |
| 23:05:18 | <@JAA> | Your ISP might also get annoyed if they receive enough notices of alleged abuse due to website operators not understanding how the web works. |
| 23:05:27 | <nyakase> | thanks JAA |
| 23:05:41 | <Webuser201884> | ahh yes lovely okay |
| 23:05:48 | <nyakase> | i think urls-grab batches about 50 urls per item, waiting for one to complete before doing the next |
| 23:05:56 | <nyakase> | and concurrency 10 would let you run 10 items at the same time |
| 23:05:57 | <Webuser201884> | I mean im in canada, and with telus |
| 23:06:00 | <nyakase> | you might see the problem :-) |
| 23:06:08 | <Webuser201884> | yea i do now lol |
| 23:06:11 | <Webuser201884> | good explanation |
| 23:06:15 | <Webuser201884> | i appreciate it |
| 23:06:59 | <nyakase> | shit is the tracker down again |
| 23:07:01 | <Webuser201884> | think ill just go with glitch than |
| 23:07:31 | <nyakase> | Webuser201884: glitch specifically just got paused due to problems with the site hoster :( |
| 23:07:45 | <nyakase> | i heard that telegram is always welcoming new users though, so you could do that in the meantime |
| 23:07:59 | <Webuser201884> | ohh okay |
| 23:08:16 | <Webuser201884> | do you have the image address handly by chance? or it just telegram-grab at the end |
| 23:08:41 | <nyakase> | but uhh.. the tracker, which distributes items to grabbers, appears to have crashed just now :-( |
| 23:08:43 | <nyakase> | quite bad timing |
| 23:08:48 | <nyakase> | you can still start the container and itll work when the tracker comes back |
| 23:09:02 | <@JAA> | YouTube, too, though that might impact your ability to watch videos by other means. |
| 23:09:27 | <nyakase> | Webuser201884: just replace atdr.meo.ws/archiveteam/urls-grab with atdr.meo.ws/archiveteam/telegram-grab |
| 23:09:28 | <Webuser201884> | oh okay and yeah i was thinking the yt one would be a little.. rather not lol |
| 23:09:55 | <Webuser201884> | thank you nyakase |
| 23:11:07 | <Webuser201884> | says unable to find but am i right to guess thats because the tracker is down |
| 23:12:34 | <nyakase> | give me a moment |
| 23:13:23 | <nyakase> | oops you're right, that does appear to have broken as well |
| 23:13:39 | <nyakase> | for observers: Get "https://atdr.meo.ws/v2/": net/http: request canceled (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers) |
| 23:14:49 | <Webuser201884> | yeah thats what i got |
| 23:15:09 | <nyakase> | gonna have to wait a bit then :/ |
| 23:15:19 | <Webuser201884> | alrighty :) |
| 23:15:26 | <@JAA> | The alarm bells have been rung. |
| 23:15:29 | <Webuser201884> | Thanks for the help its greatly appreciated |
| 23:15:54 | <Webuser201884> | new to this but want to put my 3g internet and my overclocked 5900x to use lol |
| 23:17:41 | <Webuser201884> | Am i correct in thinking that running a project in a standalone docker container is more efficient than running a warrior in a vm? |
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| 23:19:07 | <@JAA> | Yes |
| 23:19:14 | <Webuser201884> | figured |
| 23:19:20 | <@JAA> | The VM is basically a wrapper around Docker anyway. |
| 23:19:51 | <Webuser201884> | ahh okay, so running it w docker desktop removes a whole layer |
| 23:20:25 | <Webuser201884> | My previous experience with docker goes as far as running PiHole, thats about it |
| 23:20:25 | <@JAA> | Also different purposes: warrior (VM or container) is for 'set it up once and forget about it'-type deployments while individual project containers need manual action if you want to support a new and urgent project or similar. |
| 23:20:55 | <Webuser201884> | okayy, thats makes sense and i was sensing that with the vm's |
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| 23:44:34 | <Webuser201884> | Is the reddit project a good one to work on? if so what image should i use lol |
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| 23:45:32 | <@JAA> | The image names all derive from the repo names, which you can find on the projects' wiki pages. |
| 23:45:43 | <@JAA> | It's usually project-grab, but there are some exceptions. |
| 23:45:55 | <Webuser201884> | ahh okay |
| 23:46:38 | <that_lurker> | also the reddit project is paused |
| 23:47:04 | <@JAA> | I was about to say, the infobox also says something about the project status, though it might not always be up to date especially for short-term disruptions. |
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| 23:47:40 | <Webuser201884> | ahh okay |
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| 23:51:21 | <h2ibot> | JustAnotherArchivist edited Reddit (+80, Clarify archival status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56377&oldid=55372 |
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| 23:52:21 | <h2ibot> | Savmor98 edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine (+22): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56378&oldid=56215 |
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| 23:58:27 | <KoleiTheBat> | so what is going on with the other projects? why did they all stop? |
| 23:58:36 | <KoleiTheBat> | and is that normal> |