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02:05:25<pabs>JAA++
02:05:26<eggdrop>[karma] 'JAA' now has 276 karma!
02:05:35<pabs>I thought google groups does work properly though
02:08:08<@JAA>pabs: Hmm, I'd be happy to hear I'm wrong. :-)
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02:10:07<pabs>as an example, https://groups.google.com/g/bitcoindev works in a no-JS browser
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02:10:40<pabs>/g/harvey doesn't let you access it though, JS or not
02:13:55<h2ibot>PaulWise edited Mailing Lists (+78, Google Groups Message-Id lookup URLs): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56036&oldid=55948
02:14:50<@JAA>Ah yeah
02:15:09<@JAA>And https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/harvey without JS gives a 'Redirecting to Google Groups' page that never redirects.
02:15:53<pabs>with JS it says "Content unavailable. Click here to try again. If you've seen this page more than once, try switching accounts."
02:16:06<@JAA>Lovely
02:16:06<pabs>so possibly it requires a login to access
02:16:08<@JAA>Google Groups--
02:16:11<eggdrop>[karma] 'Google Groups' now has -1 karma!
02:31:57<h2ibot>PaulWise edited Mailing Lists (+320, Google Groups raw message and Message-Id info): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56037&oldid=56036
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07:10:35<chrismrtn>afaik, https://www.inaturalist.org/ (website for sharing sightings of plants and animals) is stable with regards to its existance, but a blog post about AI integration plans (https://www.inaturalist.org/blog/113184-inaturalist-receives-grant-to-improve-species-suggestions) is causing some users to delete their accounts
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08:21:12<katia>!seen GLaDOS
08:21:13<eggdrop>[seen] I don't remember seeing GLaDOS.
08:21:33<katia>!seen NotGLaDOS
08:21:33<eggdrop>[seen] NotGLaDOS (~terry@ike.au) was last seen joining #unclesamsarchive 4 days 23 hours 50 minutes 55 seconds ago (2025-06-07T08:30:38Z). NotGLaDOS is still on #unclesamsarchive.
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11:08:56<ericgallager>eggdrop is a vampire!
11:37:35<BlankEclair>being a vampire is cool :3
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12:59:41<h2ibot>Manu edited Mailman/2 (+99, Note regarding lists.easaonline.org): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56039&oldid=55938
13:06:23<BlankEclair>!seen blahaj
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13:06:40<BlankEclair>we ought to inform them
13:15:44<h2ibot>Manu edited Mailman/2 (-168, Remove lists.fedoraproject.org, which migrated…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=56040&oldid=56039
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18:07:46<katia>!tell NotGLaDOS miao
18:07:48<eggdrop>[tell] NotGLaDOS is here - they should see your message :)
18:07:54<katia>they really should
18:44:49<that_lurker>!tell katia :3
18:44:49<feed>that_lurker: The operation succeeded.
18:44:50<eggdrop>[tell] katia is here - they should see your message :)
18:45:46<that_lurker>Even when lobotomized feed still tries it's best
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19:35:42<masterx244|m>do we have a recent backup of the TCRF data? https://bsky.app/profile/tcrf.net/post/3lrbxxi6c3s2k
19:35:42<masterx244|m>stuff getting unstable there right now
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19:49:39<@JAA>masterx244|m: They apparently aggressively block you when you try according to a Webuser in #wikiteam recently. :-/
19:50:58<masterx244|m>gah....
19:57:09<pokechu22>The most recent backup is from 2023
20:01:28<Sokar>yea, the AI scrapers are especially malicious lately, I gave up and just blocked Brazil from stuff I host (apparently that's where cheap IPs are), only think that keeps the load under 10
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20:16:27<katia>cheap IPs in Brazil? 👀
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20:20:46<that_lurker>and cheap hosting
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20:37:54<that_lurker>Has someone tried throwing AB at TCRF?
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20:38:42<pokechu22>I don't think we've tried archivebot with it yet, but I suspect it'll run into the same issue
20:39:02<agartha>wonder if they are blocking useragents
20:39:41<@JAA>We tried it in 2021, and it worked then until some pipeline issue.
20:40:32<@JAA>Maybe they wouldn't immediately block AB's UA.
20:40:50<pokechu22>right, that was running for over a month too though :|
20:41:00<agartha>there is no option in archivebot to spoof UA?
20:41:28<pokechu22>We can set different UAs (though most of the options are fairly old). We can't get past cloudflare's TLS fingerprinting though
20:41:36<@JAA>Yeah, but it was running with offsite links, too.
20:41:51<agartha>ah damn
20:42:10<pokechu22>I *think* we did try a different user-agent with wikiteam tools too but I'm not sure of the details
20:42:37<@JAA>Buttflare--
20:42:37<eggdrop>[karma] 'Buttflare' now has -164 karma!
20:42:42<pokechu22>I also feel like if they're actively being ddosed, pretending to be a browser is more likely to get us blocked
20:43:21<that_lurker>are they behind buttflare?
20:43:31<agartha>no they are not
20:44:17<agartha>well, if you use dnsdumpster and search for "tcrf.net" it says they are hosting on AKAMAI-LINODE-AP Akamai Connected Cloud
20:44:33<that_lurker>that is good and odd
20:44:37<@JAA>Yeah, if the blocks are manual, a UA that begins with 'ArchiveTeam ArchiveBot' might help. Or they're hostile to archival, too.
20:45:32<that_lurker>going at it with a large delay and small concurrency might be ideal as it would look even less like ddos
20:45:46<that_lurker>though if the site is large that would take ages
20:46:01<agartha>if the site gets added to warrior, woudn't that speed up the archival process?
20:46:06<agartha>hivemind
20:46:20<that_lurker>that would become a ddos like activity really fast
20:46:27<agartha>shame
20:46:53<agartha>JAA, do you know the exact user agent that "ArchiveTeam ArchiveBot" is? i want to change my useragent to that and see if its blocking it
20:47:59<@JAA>They are blocking it.
20:48:03<agartha>fuck
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20:48:49<that_lurker>https://blog.xkeeper.net/uncategorized/tcrf-has-been-getting-ddosed/
20:49:31<nicolas17>why would anyone attack tcrf T_T
20:49:40<that_lurker>seems like they are setting up anubis
20:49:44<that_lurker>so thats not that bad
20:49:57<agartha>that_lurker, this is in response to KF
20:50:18<TheTechRobo>> A subtype of this is the “wannabe archiver/preservationist”. You know the type: “This website is important. I should save it. I will do this by single-handedly downloading the entire website.” We’ve had these kinds of clowns, too. In a sense, it’s similar to a bank run, complete with largely just making the problem worse for everyone.
20:50:23<agartha>they were banning users who matched x-refer from kiwifarms, so if you went on a TCRF link that was on KF, you have just added yourself to the ban list
20:50:47<TheTechRobo>Not sure if that means they're against archival entirely.
20:50:51<nicolas17>if they're being DDoS'd and AI-scraped, I doubt we can (or should?) archive the site without contacting them...
20:51:04<agartha>oh i have already tried contacting the owner thru email
20:51:06<agartha>no response
20:52:01<agartha>you would think a website that is dedicated to finding lost/hard to find things, wouldn't mind getting archived as well, no?
20:52:25<pokechu22>My guess is they don't mind as long as it doesn't cause issues, but right now it is
20:53:06<agartha>can you test to see if you change user agent on wikiteams tools, the request would not get blocked?
20:54:24<nicolas17>agartha: they can't tell us apart from yet another scraper if we don't talk to them, especially in the middle of an attack like this
20:54:36<@JAA>It depends. There are places doing this sort of thing that want nobody else to have everything they have.
20:54:39<agartha>i guess you are right
20:55:04<that_lurker>is there anything else going on besides the ddos that would make archival needed?
20:55:58<agartha>well, a lot of people, due to the agressive browser fingerprinting they are doing, would love to have a local archive of the website, or uploaded on archive.org
20:57:02<nicolas17>unfortunately people doing wget -r to have a local archive are making the problem worse, or at least to the admins trying to firefight, they're hard to distinguish
20:57:20<agartha>yes that is true
20:57:40<agartha>i think i saw someone doing an archive of the site with a 5/10 second delay
20:57:56<that_lurker>ok so if the site itself is not in danger of going away waiting until the ddos is over and then trying to maybe get in touch with the owner would be the best way to move.
20:59:01<agartha>maybe today ill get a resposne
20:59:14<agartha>if i dont, cant i run wikiteam tools locally?
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21:00:04<that_lurker>yes you can, but again if it's an active ddos that will not help
21:00:13<pokechu22>You can try (and IIRC there is an option to change the user-agent), but keep in mind that per https://tcrf.net/Special:MediaStatistics they have 140GB of media
21:00:34<agartha>hmmm
21:08:50<Dango360>are they also blocking ab requests for subdomains? https://datacrystal.tcrf.net/
21:10:11<pokechu22>datacrystal didn't work in #wikibot but it looks like it wasn't blocked, just technical issues... going to try that one more time
21:10:28<pokechu22>(when did that migrate from romhacking.net?)
21:13:43<agartha>shame i cant run wikiteam tools due to print "Please install the kitchen module." even when I just installed the requirements...
21:14:57<nicolas17>"Your request was blocked. Try disabling any VPNs or proxies and try again. If problems persist, please get in touch via Discord (https://discord.gg/wnfBf5D) or IRC (irc.badnik.zone #tcrf, slow)"
21:15:29<agartha>now they are blocking VPNs? lmfao
21:16:20<agartha>in the logs for datacrystal, why does it say "authentication required" even though i am able to go on the website just fine?
21:16:54<pokechu22>https://datacrystal.tcrf.net/ has a captcha. It hasn't been saved at that URL but it has been saved in 2022 at https://archive.org/details/wiki-datacrystal.romhacking.net_wikid (main site is https://archive.org/details/wiki-tcrf.net-20230823)
21:17:21<pokechu22>It gives a 403 when showing the captcha and any 403 gives that authentication required message, I think
21:17:53<agartha>ah
21:18:05<agartha>i dont see no captcha in the network responses on datacrystal... weird
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21:18:46<pokechu22>I got one randomly when trying a URL
21:20:12<agartha>oh
21:20:16<agartha>well this sucks
21:38:07<@OrIdow6>Sounds like this site isn't at too much risk short-term? And that maybe if we could contact them they'd be friendly if it *did* decide to shut down?
21:38:29<agartha>xkeeper@gmail.com is the owners email address
21:38:37<agartha>they also have an IRC and discord
21:38:49<nicolas17>I'm on their Discord now, stay tuned
21:38:55<nicolas17>please don't start using the same tactics as the AI scrapers to get around their blocks...
21:39:04<agartha>lol
21:39:36<@OrIdow6>I don't think we need to archive now is what I'm saying, that's not a good angle to take
21:39:49<agartha>if there is no reason to archive, then why was there one in 2023?
21:40:03<@OrIdow6>Sounds like it's a one-person passion project and there'd be notice if it was going away
21:40:53<@OrIdow6>agartha: When I say "now" I mean, now, as they're getting DDoSed and potentially getting other requests for special access to put more load on their server
21:40:59<agartha>ahhh okay
21:41:04<pokechu22>We like to proactively archive all wikis
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21:42:05<agartha>right
21:42:42<agartha>as i said before i was gonna use wikiteam tools myself but i got an error that says "Please Install the kitchen module" even though I installed all requirements
21:43:41<agartha>ah i see wikiteam3
21:46:10<agartha>a little birdy told me that there are about 50+ TCRF accounts left unbanned in naz.api
21:54:17<agartha>i myself also have an old TCRF account, would it help?
21:56:50<nicolas17>I feel like you didn't still get the point
21:56:59<agartha>yeah its kinda hard wrapping my head around this lol
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21:58:16<Xkeeper>i heard something about tcrf here. for anyone not in the know, archival efforts rn are largely by a doxxing site desperately trying to set up a copy of our wiki of their own that isn't Woke
21:58:49<pokechu22>oh, that explains their reaction more
21:58:51<Xkeeper>:)
21:59:34<Xkeeper>i have multiple copies of the wikitext (from dumpBackup) a few days ago, spread across home and trusted friends. we are not in any danger from anyone but the very people trying to "archive" the site (so they can kill it)
21:59:49<agartha>thats not true at all
22:00:34<katia>miao
22:01:15<Xkeeper>i am personal friends with one of the @'s in this channel
22:01:32<agartha>Xkeeper, the reason for the archival of TCRF is not for "woke" or anything like that, this is in response to the latest DDoS attacks happening to your site
22:01:45<Xkeeper>the latest ddos attempts, that are happening by the very site claiming to want to copy it, sure
22:01:52<nicolas17>agartha: oh your reason isn't
22:02:05<agartha>what do you mean?
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22:02:31<nicolas17>there are kf idiots scraping for their non-woke clone, DDoSing, etc. hence all the blocks and stuff
22:02:43<agartha>yes i said that before here
22:02:55<nicolas17>and your well-meaning scraping is just causing more load in the middle of the mess right now
22:03:15<agartha>i guess adding fuel to fire in a sense, heh
22:04:50<Xkeeper>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380730434526253087/1382840632590073987/image.png?ex=684c9e32&is=684b4cb2&hm=7f513396b1bb3e58c22a2c4c1341625d2ad162386603c1fb5604ea4cce60aa02&
22:04:57<Xkeeper>lol
22:05:11<Xkeeper>wow, it's a real live kiwifarms user, here in the flesh. tell everyone hello
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22:18:00<@OrIdow6>Xkeeper: Thanks for the info, if it ever does go at risk of going down I do encourage you to reach out to us (as we are concerned with capturing the live HTML rather than the wiki source), but if you know an @ here you probably alraedy know that :)
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22:19:51<Xkeeper>there are a few blocks in place for e.g. web.archive.org, but mostly that's because they have an unfortunate habit of sending huge bursts of requests at once
22:20:20<Xkeeper>and ideally i would like to remove most of these blocks lol, it fuckin sucks
22:21:37<@OrIdow6>Xkeeper: Huh, people using "Save Page Now" I'd guess?
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22:22:40<Xkeeper>idk what it is. i've had it blocked for about a week at this point but it didn't seem like "save page now", because i would assume "save page now" would only cause ~5 logged requests
22:22:58<Xkeeper>but it seems to just do a ton of random pages all at once
22:23:30<@OrIdow6>If you're logged in there is (or was, I haven't been keeping up with it recently) an option to save outlinks as well
22:23:36<@OrIdow6>If they're truly random I have no idea
22:24:02<Xkeeper>also i know this is technically not the venue but agartha: really, nmap?
22:24:48<Xkeeper>your hostname on irc is publicly visible (hi 104.193.135.243) and i can see what you're doing https://tcrf.net/104.193.135.243.txt
22:25:26<agartha>you do know what a VPN is, right?
22:25:53<Xkeeper>are you attempting to deny that this is you?
22:25:59<nicolas17>someone is running nmap against tcrf using the same VPN outbound IP as you? what an amazing coincidence
22:26:26<Xkeeper>especially when that same vpn appears to have been accessing the site earlier
22:26:36<Xkeeper>maybe i should buy a lottery ticket.
22:26:57<agartha>you do know that IP is most likely being used by many other VPN users as well...right?
22:27:15<agartha>you know how to host a wiki yet lack fundamentals on how a VPN works?
22:27:25<Xkeeper>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380730434526253087/1382846782979182744/image.png?ex=684ca3ed&is=684b526d&hm=5e099915b65bc1bb409bc217b766fe0af3d9c2d262bbd9cc5880601d0e441736&
22:27:31<Xkeeper>watch out guys, they realized i have an ip address too
22:27:44<agartha>here is where you failed, you didn't join on a VPN, I did
22:28:56<agartha>its a shame the IP you joined on Xkeeper, is also apart of database breaches as well
22:29:13<Xkeeper>thank you for admitting you joined here in bad faith. anyway, i did not "fail", i do not care about my ip address. it is 76.115.112.34. it has been 76.115.112.34 for 5 months. i have even publicly linked to things on it. i am pretty sure at one point i even had a subdomain on xkeeper.net that pointed to it.
22:30:11<Xkeeper>see also: posting my real name. did you know that it's public information? same with my address? you can just google those. you aren't clever, or smart, you're just a sad loser whose friends don't actually value you other than the entertainment you provide by being stupid.
22:30:39<Xkeeper>there is no more to say to you. you are an incompetent boob. good luck with your "archival" projects.
22:30:44agartha is kicked by @OrIdow6 [:Unless it escalates I will leave the decision of whether to ban you to someone more closely involved in this, but you came here with an ulterior motive that risked unknowingly dragging ArchiveTeam into a fight, and now you've continued to behave antagonistica]
22:30:55<Xkeeper>what a nightmare.
22:31:06<@OrIdow6>I am too tired for this
22:31:18<Xkeeper>that is unfortunately the method of these people:
22:31:29<Xkeeper>they use innocent third parties to do their work.
22:31:30<nicolas17>OrIdow6: yes go to sleep, you were just the only op who wasn't afk rn :P
22:33:20<BlankEclair>> [13/06/2025 06:41] <pokechu22> We can set different UAs (though most of the options are fairly old). We can't get past cloudflare's TLS fingerprinting though
22:33:25<BlankEclair>one hack is to wrap it with mitmproxy
22:33:39<BlankEclair>mitmproxy establishes tls to the server, and its fingerprint is good enough to bypass cf in my experience
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22:38:27<Xkeeper>actually while i'm around, is archiveteam warrior up to anything or is it still just shotgun blasting short urls?
22:38:58<BlankEclair>doing telegram according to the wiki's main page
22:40:38<nicolas17>afaik there's a bunch of ongoing projects but most are rate-limited and have way more workers than needed, so most of the time they don't give you items to do
22:40:50<nicolas17>except telegram
22:41:23<nulldata>^and urls lol
22:41:30<nicolas17>and youtube, but that one's annoying, it risks getting your IP banned from regular youtube use
22:41:47<BlankEclair>i love having the same three ips thanks to cgnat lol
22:41:52<nicolas17>oh urls, I think I wouldn't run it on residential :P
22:42:17<nicolas17>BlankEclair: maybe cgnat also makes youtube less likely to ban it in the first place, because it would affect many users?
22:42:25<BlankEclair>hmm, perhaps
22:42:37<BlankEclair>i do occasionally get "sIgN in 2 SeE conTent" anyway
22:43:44<BlankEclair>addendum: i have seven ip addresses cycled through my home and mobile isps
22:44:18<Flashfire42>Telegram is currently doing a mix of International news, Coupons and Crypto content.
22:44:28<BlankEclair>coupons?
22:45:19<Flashfire42>BlankEclair My queueing in telegrab is bouncing around telegram ads and they are mostly coupon channels and investment stuff
22:45:34<BlankEclair>i forgot that telegram has native ads now
22:45:52<BlankEclair>briefly thought you were archiving the crypto spam channels
22:45:56<Flashfire42>https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/d937af16ad47e27c/image.png Top quality content ya know
22:46:09<nicolas17>why are we archiving this >.>
22:46:12<BlankEclair>^
22:46:32<Flashfire42>Because if I get scammed then I wanna be able to have record of it
22:46:36<BlankEclair>lmfao
22:46:40<BlankEclair>touche, but also :/
22:46:53<nulldata>Heh given some of the channels that someone added to the telegram project a few months ago, I'd be hesitant to run it on a residential :P
22:47:33<Flashfire42>I do not add adult content. I add news and whatever I get from ad jumping and from channels that do premium telegram giveaways.
22:48:19<Flashfire42>https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/62744ecb4e3b2e30/image.png One day I will win a prize
22:49:11<Flashfire42>As further to why. We are grabbing telegram links at an alarming rate from hundreds of sources. and these channels do tend to disappear rather quickly.
22:49:33<BlankEclair>> [13/06/2025 08:46] <nulldata> Heh given some of the channels that someone added to the telegram project a few months ago, I'd be hesitant to run it on a residential :P
22:49:34<BlankEclair>oh?
22:50:28<Flashfire42>I do believe someone set up a bot relay to scrape telegram channels from several sources and queue them straight to the project. leading to some strange and potentially questionable queues.
22:50:51<BlankEclair>cp was a somewhat-prevalent problem back when i used tg; how is it now?
22:51:59<Flashfire42>BlankEclair this is why I dont queue adult content CSAM is still there albeit mostly relegated to the "translation" channels and channels we cant archive due to them being + channels or invite only not hardcoded named groups
22:52:27<BlankEclair>ah okay
22:52:33<BlankEclair>what are + channels btw?
22:52:48<BlankEclair>as in t.me/+awawawawawawawa?
22:53:48<Flashfire42>channels that are only accesible via a join link that dont have a hard coded name
22:53:56<BlankEclair>ah
22:53:58<BlankEclair>so private channels
22:54:02<BlankEclair>i think?
22:54:20<BlankEclair>typically in either t.me/+awawawawawawawa or t.me/joinchat/awawawawawawawa
22:54:27<Flashfire42>https://t.me/+51BFDcOOIJo1OGZl vs https://t.me/ALSTEIN_GEMCLUB
22:54:35<BlankEclair>ah okay, private channels
22:54:44<BlankEclair>though i think you can temporarily view them when logged in?
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22:55:10<Flashfire42>depending on the channel configuration and whether you are allowed in
22:55:18<BlankEclair>dunno why i'm asking lol, i've been checked out of tg for like two years now
23:03:49<@JAA>Ugh
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23:04:02<nicolas17>agreed.
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23:05:45<@JAA>Don't do what agartha did, mkay?
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23:27:15<steering>omg i missed popcorn :(
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23:29:43<steering>Xkeeper++
23:29:44<eggdrop>[karma] 'Xkeeper' now has 1 karma!
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23:55:23<Flashfire42>BlankEclair nicolas17 nulldata if you wanna see different stuff archived tho be the change you wanna see
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