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03:19:03<nicolas17>qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2: hi, were you able to download those samsung files or should I resend them?
03:19:09<nicolas17>they're Large so I'm not surprised they're problematic
03:25:15<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2>nicolas17: My browser crashed when both were ~90% downloaded :(
03:26:14<nicolas17>shit happens :P I reset them now
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03:26:56<nicolas17>I usually reset them after 24h, nothing automated tho
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04:07:16<ericgallager>https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/04/kiranapro_cyberattack_deletes_cloud_resources/
04:31:47<@arkiver>Flashfire42: interesting, maybe we can check in with them again
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04:41:49<Flashfire42>arkiver that was back when we did Urlteam on their servers cause they had a link shortener I think they maybe still do
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04:53:25<pabs>has anyone done any project enumeration for https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Glitch yet ? would like to send all the code repos to SWH
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08:36:51<Hans5958><arkiver> "let's make a good definition..." <- If I can propose a definition, if short-term = archive projects that is very urgent, you have to do it now, and relatively quick, no buts ala "archive now, ask questions later" and long-term = archive projects that would need a long time and it isn't urgent, then medium-term would be something that is urgent but it needs a long time
08:37:42<Hans5958>Short = short time; medium = urgent, long time; long = not urgent, long time
08:37:48<Hans5958>Or medium would be just something in between short and long
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08:50:15<Hans5958>BTW is `itsgoone` open? Announcement on #archiveteam:hackint.org ?
09:00:59<@imer>I'd say short term = archive a thing once to completion with a set goal, long term = keep archiving new content, no planned finish date/definite goal
09:00:59<@imer>not quite sure where medium term would fit in - maybe like long term, but no guaranteed "support" for the project to run long term?
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09:21:13<Hans5958>With that definition I don't really in line on putting US Government on long. It can be argued that it is more important than Telegram and such, and it is long term but not as long as Telegram which is quite continuous
09:27:29<@imer>meets the criteria though? there's no concrete goal or deadline
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12:27:57<@OrIdow6>Yeah I like imer's idea, projects with a natural point at which they're finished (which usually coincide with projects with a concrete deadline, though these aren't the same thing), vs those that will be ongoing until further notice
12:28:51<@OrIdow6>I don't think short-term etc are good terms for that though, maybe unlabeled/default-type projects vs "ongoing" ones
12:30:02<@OrIdow6>Could throw in a division based on when the deadline is too, stuff that's shutting down in 2 months is a lot differeent than in 2 days
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14:07:08<cuphead2527480>Hello? Is nyone there? Can someone receive my messages??
14:09:33<Hans5958><imer> "meets the criteria though? there..." <- It just feels.. not right, except you guys are probably more experience in AT space
14:10:10<Hans5958>Though I dunno the rationale that the "medium-term projects" section is created
14:10:43<Hans5958>cuphead2527480: Don't worry about it. I read your message. What's the matter?
14:11:38<@arkiver>agreed with imer
14:11:51<@arkiver>and yes i don't really see medium term fitting in well
14:12:35<@arkiver>i'm fine with switching "short term" out with "on a deadline" and "long term" with "ongoing"
14:12:44<@arkiver>... though i think short term and long term work just fine
14:13:19<@arkiver>OrIdow6: for stuff shutting down in 2 days, they could perhaps me called emergency projects
14:14:15<@arkiver>Hans5958: were does the need come from to introduce the medium term label? because some project take longer than what one might see as short term?
14:16:17<Hans5958>arkiver: For me, yes, and the fact that "long-term projects" took way longer than those long-lived "short-term projects"/"medium-term projects"
14:16:45<Hans5958>Though you should ask the one who added the "medium-term projects" before I noticed
14:17:43<cuphead2527480>All ops in archivebot went away or smth nobody responds
14:18:04<cuphead2527480>I have 2 es.tl abandoned Pages. (es.tl are SPN Blocked)
14:19:07<@arkiver>we can take medium term projects out i think
14:19:11<@arkiver>short term = deadline
14:19:17<@arkiver>long term = ongoing
14:19:28<@arkiver>and we could introduce some emergency category, but not sure
14:20:44<Hans5958>I'd assume you would relegate US Government et al to long term?
14:21:01<Hans5958>And for those that are still alive but went past deadline (e.g. Livestream)? Also long-term?
14:21:46<Hans5958>cuphead2527480: I guess you should be patient, not everyone is working around the clock
14:28:46<@arkiver>right
14:28:50<@arkiver>haha good example :)
14:29:59<@arkiver>well my head is anyway a bit messed up at the moment from accidentally deleting several hours of work a short time back
14:30:16<@arkiver>Hans5958: i guess we could stash livestream and usgovernment into medium term for now
14:30:29<@arkiver>i'm aware that goes against what i noted earlier
14:33:23<Hans5958>bruh
14:33:31<Hans5958>Well I would leave this for now since I got tasks to do
14:33:45<Hans5958>In case people wanna wage in again
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15:56:31<@arkiver>alright new proposal in that case, with those examples from Hans5958 :
15:56:45<@arkiver> - short term: projects with strong deadline, deadline is in the future
15:57:07<@arkiver> - medium term: project for which the deadline has passed, deadline is unclear, but there is a moment they are "finished"
15:57:29<@arkiver> - long term: ongoing projects, no deadline, no moment of "finishing".
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16:37:54<Vokun>That makes sense. The thing that I think will be confusing, is that there are two "Long Term" categories. If we have a medium, do we need both? Or would the 'slower' projects migrate to long term? I think that last definition is perfect
16:39:27<Vokun>Short term is immediately on fire. Medium, not quite sure when it's going down, but it IS going down. Long, stuff that is either proactive, or just, archving everything that comes in, like Shreddit used to be, or downthetube, or telegram potentially. Telegram is a possibility for medium or long, depending on if the plan is to archive it forever, or merely catch up (which does seem a bit impossible at times. haha)
16:58:15<@arkiver>the plan for telegram is to archive it forever :)
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17:19:03<Hans5958>That works for me
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