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00:00:11<h2ibot>Wickedplayer494 edited Ustream (-9, IBM appears to have consumed Ustream in…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54198&oldid=46032
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00:36:18<h2ibot>Wickedplayer494 edited Livestream (+1764, Writeup, I'm surprised this site was even still…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54199&oldid=54192
00:38:18<h2ibot>Wickedplayer494 edited Livestream (+30, /* Shutdown */ Get rid of the Department of…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54200&oldid=54199
00:42:37<nicolas17>rrpicturearchives has the current date in every page, making every page change every day
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00:52:15<@imer>https://quickwit.io/blog/quickwit-joins-datadog via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42648043 there does seem to be some repos to grab: https://github.com/quickwit-oss
00:52:16<@imer>the blog might be interesting too at a glance, but looks like js hell (says page not found upon initial load only to populate 0.5s later)
00:53:44<@JAA>The blog works perfectly fine for me without JS.
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00:55:51<@imer>clearly read along and fixed it since I called them out >.> not happening for me anymore and I didnt look at it closely
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05:12:57<Webuser814318>Can someone download an internet archive account that's shutting down the 15th of today?
05:13:47<nicolas17>wut
05:13:52<nicolas17>link it
05:13:52<Webuser814318>Exclude software since it's mirrored like everywhere, but the press photos, videos, manuals, and datas are what I'm interested in preserving
05:13:57<Webuser814318>https://archive.org/details/@jacob_rhoden181
05:14:40<Webuser814318>You know how to archive entire accounts? What's the best method of doing so in the future?
05:15:03<nicolas17>oh I thought that account had already been nuked
05:15:11<nicolas17>eg. https://archive.org/details/imovie-ipa-collection is already gone
05:16:55<@JAA>> In January 15th 2025. We’re going to delete Apple Software for good.
05:16:56<@JAA>> And in January 16th 2025. We’re going to close this account permanently for good.
05:17:06<Webuser814318>I'm pretty bummed of the losses, now that "archivist" threw a tantrum because of a reupload
05:17:07<@JAA><but_why.webm>
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05:17:24<nicolas17>I saved some of the ipas (which are now already gone)
05:17:35<@JAA>I have all the IPAs.
05:17:37<Webuser814318>Can you reupload them
05:17:49<Webuser814318>All of them?
05:18:14<@JAA>Well, all that I could find and that had the 'I will delete this' message in the item description.
05:18:27<Webuser814318>How many were there
05:18:32<@JAA>A little over 200 items, I think?
05:18:45<Webuser814318>Oh yeah that's like all of his collection
05:18:50<Webuser814318>So good
05:18:56<nicolas17>yes but there's other stuff than ipas
05:19:17<@JAA>Yes, this is referring to their deletion last month.
05:19:23<@JAA>Apparently they're now nuking everything else, too.
05:19:42<nicolas17>ah right I remember now
05:19:47<nicolas17>I saved the *Apple* apps
05:19:49<nicolas17>which was 18 items
05:20:08<nicolas17>and even then it was 42GB :P
05:21:07<@JAA>216 items, 205 GiB
05:22:36<Webuser814318>Yeah the operating system images are probably best just to archive the metadata rather than the entire thing unless excluding the disk images themself will be more of a pain than storing it
05:22:52<Webuser814318>bc OSs are mirrored everywhere already
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05:31:18<Webuser814318>also just be thankful that the great US TikTok ban won't wipe all US TikToks off the planet, just check out Indian TikTok that got banned for the same reason, just search any Indian name combination and all the videos are like from 2020, frozen in time.
05:31:43<@JAA>Meh, the items still on the account are only 304 GiB in total.
05:33:14<nicolas17>and 39GB of it is https://archive.org/details/wwdc-2014-videos-sessions which is still available online :P
05:33:15<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Cohost (-5, Project finished? Will put more details on this…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54203&oldid=54166
05:34:00<nicolas17>(actually I shold check if those videos are on WBM, and archivebot them otherwise)
05:34:50<Webuser814318>nicolas17 the only thing we should archive from that is it's metadata
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05:38:01<@JAA>Looks like the only item I already have is iTunes7.7.1 (because I searched for 'deleted' in their uploads at the time IIRC).
05:38:15<@JAA>This is small enough that I'll just mirror everything and worry about maybe deduping later.
05:46:18<Flashfire42>what a fucking loser
05:50:09<nicolas17>"He deleted all of his IPA files to refocus on 90s software manuals, and when I reuploaded his IPA archive, he decided that was a reason to delete his account. The idiot has no clue what the purpose of archival is."
05:55:33<@JAA>jacob_rhoden181 2: Electric Boogaloo is running.
05:55:55<nicolas17>"Do digital archivists really talk about 300 GB like how normal folks talk about 30 MB?"
05:56:08<@JAA>lol
05:58:52<@JAA>I have long lost touch with how normal people talk about data storage.
05:59:21<nicolas17>cue that google-internal video about "5TB? I have forgotten how to count that low"
06:01:54<nicolas17>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t6L-FlfeaI
06:02:49<@JAA>Thanks to the already-departed web user for the info. :-)
06:28:38<steering>I feel like I've lost touch with normal people, and then JAA comes round to slap me with a trout talking about 300GB like nothing
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06:28:46<steering>thats a whole tv series
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06:36:45<@JAA>:-)
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07:44:10<moth_>The php server for justsolve.archiveteam.org appears to be having some problems. It's printing a bunch of warnings onto the pages.
08:18:39<@arkiver>thanks moth_ i pinged someone about that
08:18:43<@arkiver>hopefully fixed soon
08:32:57<@arkiver>will be fixed tomorrow
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13:12:42<h2ibot>Posquito edited Current Projects (+132, move cohost to finished): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54204&oldid=54195
13:13:42<h2ibot>Posquito edited Current Projects (-132, remove cohost): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54205&oldid=54204
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13:28:44<h2ibot>Posquito edited Cohost (+184, add bluesky announcement to timeline): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54206&oldid=54203
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16:02:00<Sluggs>regarding pietsmiet.de: someone has filtered out all the exclusive videos on the site that are no longer available on youtube https://www.reddit.com/r/PietSmiet/comments/1hv8tqs/pietsmietde_liste_exklusiver_videos/
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16:16:20<szczot3k>^it's being archived by AB
16:16:30<szczot3k>(the videos, not pietsmiet.de itself)
16:21:42<masterx244|m>only caught that info because i saw talk about it on a smaller discord. otherwise that would have slipped below my radar since i don't watch streamers at all
16:35:15<c3manu>what’s even happening with them?
16:36:48<c3manu>i’m not gonna watch any videos for that
16:37:38<szczot3k>" Snob Subscription: We take care of the subscription cancellations so that they no longer automatically extend. If the subscription should have renewed automatically with subscribers from 02.01.25, it will of course be refunded. The website runs until incl. 01.02.25 continued as before."
16:37:57<szczot3k>that's kinda the only thing I've seen
16:39:05<c3manu>yeah i’ve seen that too, that’s in the notice on the top right. i found some reddit posts saying "well, it was clear that something had to change" or vague stuff like that
16:39:30<c3manu>but as far as i’m reading it, they could very well just planning to change their subscription model or shift their content direction a little bit
16:39:49<szczot3k>This also could entail a deletion of content
16:40:10<c3manu>it could, yeah
16:40:50<c3manu>just for the record: i’m running https://www.pietsmiet.de/ in AB, but at least so far it doesn’t seem to grab any actual video content, although the embeds seem to be hosted on their own CDN
16:40:59<c3manu>so archiving those might require extra work
16:45:40<szczot3k>https://github.com/duracell/youtube-dl-ps - Youtube-dl fork with extractor for pietsmiet.de
16:47:59<c3manu>i’m currently reading the thread Sluggs linked. apparently somebody already has a list with the extracted dash stream urls
16:48:07<c3manu>considering to ask them for it
16:53:24<c3manu>there seems to be some kind of external API for it? https://pietsmiet.zaanposni.com/api
16:53:40<masterx244|m><c3manu> "what’s even happening with them?" <- heard on the DC where i saw the info that they plan to yeet their site. but since i also don't watch videos i don't have much more info myself
16:53:44<c3manu>however i only get the short URL, youtube URL and the path to a thumbnail there
16:54:19<c3manu>good reason to grab it then
16:54:21<c3manu>thanks masterx244|m
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17:44:28<szczot3k>c3manu: Pietsmiet has decided to close the website because it was generating too much traffic and therefore too much cost. - but it's from a Twitch sub, noone affiliated with Pietsmiet
17:48:05<szczot3k>One of their admins confirmed that the site will be closed in ~February
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17:55:30<Sluggs>here is a timestamp from their planed changes in 2025, talking about the website: https://youtu.be/uEKg1AghMJI?t=2168
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18:14:04<szczot3k>This admin confirmed that it's going to shutdown, write that he doesn't think is the best idea "cus of copyright", and "it's just a youtube mirror" (not really), and received an invitation to #archiveteam-bs for further dicussion, which was supposedly forwarded internally to their team. CC: c3manu
18:14:12<szczot3k>s/write/wrote
18:22:16<szczot3k>s/best idea/best idea to archive
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19:52:35<c3manu>he doesn’t think *what* is not the best idea?
19:53:18<szczot3k>s/best idea/best idea to archive
19:53:40<c3manu>did you specify what archiving means in this case?
19:53:56<szczot3k>Yes
19:54:24<c3manu>and he thinks putting things into the WBM is not the best idea "cus of copyright"? O_o
19:54:55<szczot3k>It's the standard "We don't think it's necessary"
19:56:08<szczot3k>(...) I don't think that's necessary - especially as it's also a bit difficult from a copyright point of view. The videos on the site are practically a mirror image of the videos on YouTube.
19:56:56<c3manu>to me that sounds like they weren’t sure what archiving it would mean in this case, or thought that someone would just be uploading it elsewhere
19:57:23<c3manu>i can’t imagine any content creator to be sad about being able to have a look into their old stuff in the WBM later on
19:57:32<c3manu>(but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen)
19:58:45<szczot3k>I don't really want to put the whole DM here, but I've explained what AT is, what archiving would me (with WBM as the example), that someone got into contact with us, that it's going to be closed, and we're mostly about preserving the internet history
19:58:54<szczot3k>Also got them an invite to irc/matrix
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20:03:21<c3manu>alright, so no cooperation from that side then
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20:14:36<c3manu>anyone else has an idea how to get the embedded streams then? like from this page for example? https://www.pietsmiet.de/videos/80470-brammen-2025-01-10-18-25-46
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20:17:28<c3manu>szczot3k: also, if the reason for shutting it down is the cost of traffic, all those people trying to download their website-exclusive stuff probably won’t help keeping down the bill for this month :)
20:18:05<c3manu>^cc JAA because i know you like to record streams a fair bit :)
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20:23:04<@JAA>Looks like youtube-dl-ps is outdated; its extraction code doesn't seem to match the current site. Might also be why the repo is 'archived'.
20:23:52<@JAA>And well, last commit was in 2018, so that's not horribly surprising.
20:24:06<szczot3k>for now they don't seem hostile, just unsure - but they might switch to being hostile towards archiving efforts after seeing the amount of traffic
20:24:21<szczot3k>Their sys/networkadmin can be sweating right now
20:24:35<szczot3k>s/can/might
20:25:46<@JAA>Looks like https://www.pietsmiet.de/api/v1/utility/player?video=80470&preset=quality is the relevant URL for getting to the stream.
20:26:22<@JAA>.options.tracks[].sources contains the video URLs.
20:27:01<@JAA>HLS and DASH in this case
20:28:26<@JAA>There's a custom X-Origin-Integrity header that is required to get a response.
20:31:11<@JAA>No idea where the value comes from though.
20:34:04<szczot3k>Does copying this value work?
20:34:16<szczot3k>Or is it really useful for one item?
20:34:55<@JAA>Ok, found it, I think.
20:35:12<@JAA>It's calculated from `window._i`.
20:36:59<@JAA>More accurately, that *is* the header; the `h` key is the header name, and the `v` is the value, both base64'd.
20:39:27<@JAA>You can also get it via GET https://www.pietsmiet.de/api/v1/config/i .
20:41:14<szczot3k>and it seems to be constant?
20:41:59<szczot3k>I checked from several IPs, it's the same
20:42:28<szczot3k>maybe it's time dependent?
20:42:35<@JAA>Yeah, looks like it.
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21:31:10<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited Frequently Asked Questions (-29, Remove broken link): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54207&oldid=51732
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