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01:46:28<h2ibot>PaulWise edited ArchiveBot/Monitoring (+9, Scribd is JSy): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54185&oldid=54051
02:10:09<nicolas17>JAA: URL list https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/gLyFa/apple-maps-manifests.txt
02:10:30<nicolas17>example decoded contents of one of them: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/mIpNp/apple-maps-manifest-ios-18.0.txt
02:11:39<nicolas17>they change every 1-2 days, I'm keeping them in git to see if anything interesting changes, and I'm considering *maybe throwing them into AB too
02:22:46<@JAA>nicolas17: Hmm, I'm guessing the manifests stay identical between changes? If so, I have a better idea than AB.
02:23:57<nicolas17>I have never seen them bitwise-change but be semantically-identical if that's what you mean
02:24:26<nicolas17>(unlike *other* Apple config stuff where the stupid dictionaries get shuffled on every request)
02:25:41<@JAA>Good, then this could be done with qwarc and nice deduping WARCs.
02:26:09<nicolas17>I don't remember, does qwarc do cross-URL dedup too?
02:26:34<@JAA>It can't not do that.
02:26:47<@JAA>It only cares about payload digests.
02:27:18<nicolas17>https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/6Mmdo/apple-maps-manifest-hashes.txt
02:27:41<@JAA>Nice, so those would get deduped away, too.
02:28:01<@JAA>.pb, protobuf?
02:28:05<nicolas17>yes
02:28:16<@JAA>Is the definition public or reverse-engineered?
02:28:19<nicolas17>I imagine the server has stuff like if (version >= 10.4) { include this other field }
02:29:23<nicolas17>JAA: some crazy guy reverse engineered it yes https://gitlab.com/nicolas17/geoservices-re
02:29:30<@JAA>Heh
02:30:05<nicolas17>there's a few protobuf messages unrelated to the manifest too
02:31:24<nicolas17>Apple Maps appears to be protobuf all the way down
02:31:25<@JAA>So the 'regularly retrieve this thing' pattern isn't exactly pretty in qwarc currently. I have a vague plan for making it more user-friendly. But it's not particularly hard either. I do it all the time for continuous archiving of stuff, e.g. new content up to the actual shutdown.
02:32:46<nicolas17>I have a "regularly retrieve this thing" setup powered by GitLab CI and ad-hoc scripts
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02:33:53<nicolas17>but for many I don't preserve the exact downloaded file, I modify it to remove frequently-changing noise and to make git-diff readable
02:35:15<@JAA>More accurately: qwarc doesn't really have provisions for such usage, so there's a bunch of boilerplate code needed to make it happen. An item with a timestamp value, which `asyncio.sleep`s until that time and queues the next item at the end.
02:35:45<@JAA>To avoid accidentally exiting too early, there are also some special cases to handle, exceptions to catch, etc.
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02:37:13<@JAA>Looks like that should be <1GB/mo before dedupe.
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02:42:13<@JAA>nicolas17: Is there a place to get those manifest URLs from when new OS versions get released etc.?
02:43:47<nicolas17>no, in fact I'm monitoring eg. iOS 18.4 and 19.0 despite those not being released (seems I accidentally left them out in the list I pasted), if I ever get a response different than 18.0 it will be Interesting
02:44:55<@JAA>Do you keep a list of them in that monitoring repo you mentioned? (And is that repo public?)
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02:47:14<@JAA>I can do the qwarc thing, but I'd rather have something I set up once and then don't have to worry about (beyond checking occasionally whether it's still working). So I could fetch such a list daily, for example.
02:50:12<nicolas17>at one point I started monitoring some stuff that we didn't want Apple to know that we knew and I made it private :p
02:50:16<nicolas17>but it's also uhh
02:50:26<nicolas17>https://paste.debian.net/1344311/ not in a parseable format
02:50:30<nicolas17>so I'll work something out
02:51:53<@JAA>Hmm, I see.
02:52:08<nicolas17>I make AT code look good /s
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04:08:56<Vokun>3d printing models are being removed from sites like printables.com https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/s/R6y4Yju8pu
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06:30:28<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2>^ Looks urgent, "all Benchy3D models will be removed in the coming days [...] across the entire platform" according to https://old.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1hwj9y1/fyi_3dbenchycom_is_sending_lawyers_to_kill_the_fun/ (which was linked from that post), and apparently mass removals are already happening.
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06:55:42<datechnoman>^^^ arkiver / JAA ^^^ ? Project/AB worthy?
07:03:08<that_lurker>hmm site seems to be down
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07:14:05<@arkiver>odd
07:20:24<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2>Pretty sure "3dbenchy.com" is the one that's *sending* the takedowns; the content that will be removed is on all the other 3d printing model(?) sites.
07:31:55<@JAA>Hmm, archiving these big 3D model sites has been on my wishlist for a few years now.
07:35:32<@JAA>It appears that the models being deleted are derivatives of the model by that company. Might be hard to find them reliably.
07:38:11<@JAA>Apparently it's always been under CC-BY-ND, but that's only being enforced now: https://web.archive.org/web/20241213124913/https://www.3dbenchy.com/license/
07:38:30<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3DBenchy "Due to its status as a common benchmark, it is believed to be the world's most 3D printed object." I'm guessing anything that mentions the word "benchy" or looks like the thing pictured in the article is definitely at risk, but if that company also acquired rights to any other models, those might also be made to disappear (not sure if it's possible to check
07:38:30<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2>if there's any other models they now own too)
07:41:37<@JAA>(Also, proper link for the initially shared post: https://old.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1hx2xbp/about_3dbenchy_someone_else_owns_the_rights_now/ )
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14:09:52<h2ibot>Posquito edited Current Projects (+240, add livestream and clyp to short-term): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54186&oldid=54028
14:16:53<h2ibot>Posquito created Livestream (+534, create livestream stub): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Livestream
14:18:53<h2ibot>Posquito edited Livestream (+4, typo typo): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54188&oldid=54187
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17:40:30<h2ibot>Exorcism edited Current Projects (-592): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54189&oldid=54186
18:08:36<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/archived (+87, queued coq.discourse.group): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54190&oldid=54162
18:08:37<h2ibot>Manu edited Discourse/archived (+0, fix typo in date): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54191&oldid=54190
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18:35:53<@arkiver>phosphenes: on what you posted in #archiveteam , what do they host? and is there lists of it?
18:39:34<phosphenes>Looks like a lot of open source tools and linux distros
18:39:34<phosphenes>https://projects.tuxfamily.org/#%3Fdo%3Dallgroups
18:40:12<phosphenes>I was on the site for the Hatari emulator (https://hatari.tuxfamily.org/) and was looking at the main domain when I found that thread
18:41:24<phosphenes>I'm not sure the urgency of this since it's not an offical shutdown notice but it looks like they're basically expecting their hardware to break down and don't have the capability to restore it when it does
19:05:46<h2ibot>Exorcism edited Livestream (+51): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54192&oldid=54188
19:09:47<h2ibot>Exorcism created Clyp (+515, Created page with "{{Infobox project | title =…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Clyp
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20:09:56<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2>In https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54186&oldid=54028 it should be {{datetime|2025-01}} and {{datetime|2025-01-19}}, not {{datetime|Jan-2025}} and {{datetime|01-19-2025}}
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20:21:34<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2>The infoboxes of https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Livestream and https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Clyp have error messages, in french for some reason lol
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20:21:46<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2>caching is hard++
20:21:46<eggdrop>[karma] 'caching is hard' now has 4 karma!
20:23:05<szczot3k>I've fixed the cache at least
20:23:10<szczot3k>Now it's in english
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20:25:29<szczot3k>arkiver created an empty image (?)
20:30:38<szczot3k>I can't seem to fix it as I'm getting an empty upload error
20:30:59<szczot3k>uploading seems to be broken?
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20:52:10<h2ibot>Posquito edited Current Projects (-1, update datetimes): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54194&oldid=54189
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21:01:20<phaeton>Cohost appears to still be running, any reason it got moved to "Recently Finished"?
21:17:15<h2ibot>Nulldata edited Current Projects (+18, Moving Cohost back to current projects.): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=54195&oldid=54194
21:18:41<nulldata>phaeton - Probably was assumed due to it being removed from the tracker temporarily and is now past the planned shutdown date. Restored it to the current projects.
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