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| 00:59:02 | <Webuser684897> | hello, can you archive this directory: http://wdig.vo.llnwd.net/o2/ im in the #archiveteam-bs chat rn |
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| 01:52:25 | <nicolas17> | wat |
| 01:52:34 | <nicolas17> | that's empty on HTTP |
| 01:52:38 | <nicolas17> | and doesn't respond to FTP |
| 02:03:38 | <monoxane> | lolwot |
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| 02:13:03 | <@OrIdow6> | !remindme 2h email Webuser684897 if no one figures out what they were talkign about |
| 02:13:05 | <eggdrop> | [remind] ok, i'll remind you at 2024-12-02T04:13:03Z |
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| 03:07:29 | <@JAA> | Looks like that's associated with the Disney Music Group. llwnd.net is Limelight Network's CDN. |
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| 03:09:06 | <@OrIdow6> | arkiver JAA: So no issues if I just soften the IRC rules? I think I still might want to consolidate "Don't be childish" and "Don't explain evident things to us in detail", they seem to effectively be "don't be annoying" and in particular the reference on the latter |
| 03:09:33 | <@OrIdow6> | ... seems like a bad example for a "this is how newcomers are treated" section |
| 03:11:35 | <@OrIdow6> | On the wiki (and on that topic!) - I still don't like the way that moderation removes the instant satisfaction of contributing information |
| 03:12:37 | <@OrIdow6> | It would be nice if there was documentation somewhere of the issues with the passowrd system at least, I know about the vandalism incident of 2015/16 but the change happened later |
| 03:13:39 | <@OrIdow6> | It does seem like the moderation queues get pretty long in some cases, perhaps it might be useful to expand the group of people who can do this to all automoderated users |
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| 03:14:40 | <@OrIdow6> | Or even give more of us some non-admin permission to mark people as automoderated |
| 03:21:17 | <@JAA> | I've been thinking about that, but I'm not sure it's possible to modify user rights as anyone but admin. I seem to remember that we tried the bureaucrat level at the time, which is supposed to grant that permission, but it didn't work. |
| 03:22:51 | <@JAA> | I agree that the 'rules'/guidelines should be rewritten less aggressively. I'm not sure whether we want to keep specific examples. |
| 03:24:19 | <Flashfire42> | archiveteam just needs a better bus factor in general XD |
| 03:25:51 | <monoxane> | side projects never have good bus factor :P |
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| 03:26:30 | <DigitalDragons> | You can make a mediawiki user group to let people add automoderated but not be an administrator, but it requires wiki config changes |
| 03:27:56 | <@JAA> | Hmm, right, maybe there's something weird in the config about bureaucrats for historical reasons. |
| 03:28:19 | <h2ibot> | Chipmunk edited Encyclopedia Dramatica (-5, Use edramatica.com, as…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53927&oldid=53305 |
| 03:29:48 | <DigitalDragons> | The docs say bureaucrats can change all rights by default, so I assume something was edited |
| 03:30:17 | <DigitalDragons> | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAddGroups |
| 03:41:36 | <@OrIdow6> | In the meantime might https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=moderator be expanded? Of the 8 people originally on there only 3 have made wiki edits within the last 2 months |
| 03:45:47 | <@OrIdow6> | If there's something that's on the borderline the decision can always be deferred |
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| 04:13:05 | <eggdrop> | [remind] OrIdow6: email Webuser684897 if no one figures out what they were talkign about |
| 04:18:29 | <@OrIdow6> | Sent |
| 04:19:03 | <nicolas17> | "what were you talking about?" |
| 04:19:05 | <nicolas17> | :D |
| 04:21:43 | <HP_Archivist> | JAA RE: Fandom. All good. I'll circle back on that. |
| 04:22:11 | <HP_Archivist> | Unrelated - can someone grab the urls for the audio files on this page? https://www.archeophone.com/catalogue/louis-vasnier-genius-of-the-seventh-ward/ |
| 04:22:23 | <HP_Archivist> | Recently discovered earliest recording ^^ |
| 04:22:41 | <HP_Archivist> | I tried reloading with dev tools under network tab, but couldn't see much |
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| 07:27:03 | <that_lurker> | HP_Archivist: https://archive.org/details/wiki-unreal.fandom.com-20241201 |
| 07:27:55 | <HP_Archivist> | that_lurker: Wow. The whole thing? |
| 07:28:54 | <that_lurker> | well as much as savewebs mediawiki dumber got |
| 07:29:13 | <that_lurker> | that will not go to the wayback machine though |
| 07:32:22 | <HP_Archivist> | that_lurker: Ah okay, hm. Ideally it wouldn't gone to both. But I understand. Thanks, I appreciate this. |
| 07:33:00 | <HP_Archivist> | The Unreal modding/game community is quite large. They have the wikis and forums and such. There's a lot of documentation out there. |
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| 11:29:34 | <thuban> | HP_Archivist: page + audio files ab'd (although they're only 30-second samples) |
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| 11:47:03 | <@arkiver> | OrIdow6: yes i agree with them being rewritten |
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| 12:08:13 | <@arkiver> | if there are people that should be made automoderated, you can ping one of the people on https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=moderator - especially JAA and me in this case |
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| 14:22:19 | <h2ibot> | PaulWise edited Paste hosting (-14, fix heading): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53928&oldid=31085 |
| 14:29:21 | <h2ibot> | PaulWise edited Paste hosting (+666, add section on archiving of paste sites): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53929&oldid=53928 |
| 14:30:21 | <h2ibot> | PaulWise edited ArchiveBot/Monitoring (+50, idea: paste sites): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53930&oldid=53916 |
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| 14:51:25 | <h2ibot> | PaulWise edited Mailing Lists (+82, mailing-lists-grab empty repo created): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53939&oldid=53900 |
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| 17:23:37 | <nicolas17> | rrpicturearchives.net is down |
| 17:23:58 | <nicolas17> | if it ever comes back I'm gonna try archiving it because it seems very unstable |
| 17:25:09 | <that_lurker> | seems to be up, but someone fucked the cert |
| 17:25:55 | <nicolas17> | no |
| 17:26:20 | <nicolas17> | last week, http gave the proper website and https gave "SonicWall Network Security Login" |
| 17:26:30 | <that_lurker> | ahh ok |
| 17:26:46 | <nicolas17> | now it seems http gives connection refused and https gives SonicWall Network Security Login with a broken certificate |
| 17:36:35 | <nyuuzyou> | https://rimgo.ducks.party/HIf8Tjb.png |
| 17:36:35 | <nyuuzyou> | Hugging Face is implementing a 500GB limit on all repositories for free accounts. I hope they don't delete repositories that exceed the limit. Anyway, we should be ready |
| 17:41:05 | <nicolas17> | it wasn't already limited? lol |
| 17:42:33 | <nicolas17> | AI models and training datasets are large, storage isn't free, fire is hot |
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| 17:45:36 | <nyuuzyou> | There was a limit of 300 GB per repository, and now 500 GB for the entire account |
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| 17:48:30 | <@JAA> | The 300 GB limit was only added recently, too, if this docs page is to be believed: https://web.archive.org/web/diff/20240509081605/20240822135944/https://huggingface.co/docs/hub/repositories-recommendations |
| 17:49:49 | <thuban> | til /diff/, nice |
| 17:50:10 | <nicolas17> | omg |
| 17:50:27 | <@JAA> | Is there any public mention of this 500 GB limit? |
| 18:00:02 | <nyuuzyou> | Not yet. It appeared on my profile about 30 minutes ago. I can still upload files for now, so it's a soft limit for now |
| 18:01:13 | <nyuuzyou> | https://huggingface.co/pricing still says for the free plan “Host unlimited models, datasets, and Spaces” |
| 18:04:17 | <sralracer> | that site also says that unlimited is for ephermal storage (dissapears on restart?). So, how does hugging face define restarts? |
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| 18:20:13 | <immibis> | that sounds like a thing that would be used when you're running a model |
| 18:24:06 | <nyuuzyou> | Spaces uses a repo for a permanent storage, so yeah |
| 18:36:09 | <h2ibot> | Manu created Elections/2024 Irish general election (+1269, kick off page): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Elections/2024%20Irish%20general%20election |
| 18:38:40 | <sralracer> | and the pricing and size for persistent storage has stayed the same: https://web.archive.org/web/20230629195734/https://huggingface.co/pricing |
| 18:46:03 | <szczot3k> | Emails from wiki fail SPF and DKIM verification |
| 18:46:10 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Elections/2024 Irish general election (+292): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53941&oldid=53940 |
| 18:47:11 | <h2ibot> | Manu edited Elections/2024 Irish general election (+2, /* Sinn Féin (centre left/left wing) */): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53942&oldid=53941 |
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| 18:52:01 | <szczot3k> | https://hackint.org/#20241030_Webchat_replacement - can wiki admin replace the links on: The homepage (at the bottom), and at the moderation popup that shows when something goes to queue? |
| 18:52:27 | <szczot3k> | Correct link, with join parameter - https://chat.hackint.org/#/connect?join=archiveteam-bs |
| 18:54:04 | <szczot3k> | Oh, the entire {{IRC}} template needs fixing on the homepage |
| 18:54:24 | <szczot3k> | ...or not |
| 18:55:45 | <szczot3k> | For _some reason_ the homepage still shows webirc.hackint, rather than chat.hackint, even though that template is fine |
| 18:57:16 | <szczot3k> | After a wikimedia brainfart I found that it's the current projects that had webirc |
| 18:57:26 | <pokechu22> | szczot3k: looks fine to me now, probably just the page cache (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Purge) |
| 18:57:59 | <szczot3k> | pokechu22 https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Current_Projects at the bottom there |
| 18:58:06 | <szczot3k> | webchat: https://webirc.hackint.org/ – More info |
| 18:58:09 | <pokechu22> | oh, ah |
| 18:58:44 | <szczot3k> | the project specific channels are fine |
| 18:59:35 | <pokechu22> | I think anyone can edit https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Current_Projects (we don't have cascading protection) |
| 18:59:52 | <pokechu22> | ... actually, I think anyone can edit the main page too |
| 19:00:01 | <szczot3k> | Nope, main page is protected |
| 19:00:10 | <szczot3k> | I've sent current projects into moderation queue |
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| 19:29:31 | <@JAA> | szczot3k: [[Template:IRC channel]] is the relevant one, and it's already been updated. The rest is caching. |
| 19:29:48 | <szczot3k> | JAA not everywhere |
| 19:30:00 | <@JAA> | Ah, we still have hard links in places? Bah. |
| 19:31:35 | <@ChanServ> | imer now has flags +FfscmviA in the group !archiveteam-core which communally has +AFORSVefiorstv on #archiveteam-bs. |
| 19:31:35 | | @ChanServ sets mode: +o imer |
| 19:32:21 | <szczot3k> | What's the bot policy of the wiki? |
| 19:34:19 | <h2ibot> | AleX-1337 edited ASK.fm (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53943&oldid=53925 |
| 19:34:20 | <h2ibot> | Szczot3k edited Archiveteam:IRC (-11, Hackint changed the web interface to…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53944&oldid=53906 |
| 19:34:21 | <h2ibot> | Szczot3k edited Current Projects (-2, Hackint changed the web interface to…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53945&oldid=53889 |
| 19:34:22 | <h2ibot> | JustAnotherArchivist changed the user rights of User:AleX-1337 |
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| 19:39:02 | <thuban> | szczot3k: JAA runs a bot (https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/User:JAABot). i don't know whether there's an official policy |
| 19:39:53 | <@JAA> | There have been other bots in the past. If you have a constructive idea, it's probably fine. |
| 19:40:20 | <h2ibot> | Posquito edited Current Projects (+123, add ASK.fm): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53946&oldid=53945 |
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| 19:41:20 | <h2ibot> | Posquito edited Current Projects (-123, remove ASK.fm): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53947&oldid=53946 |
| 19:42:39 | <szczot3k> | That might sound redundant but an dead link bot, and probably a quick check if the links have the schema specified (seen quite a few with only the domain part, which is fine, but would be better if it had schema). Probably a R/O one for quite a while. |
| 19:54:22 | <thuban> | prior discussion of how to handle dead (and/or archived) links in the {{url}} template (because there are some places where you do want them) may be of interest: https://irclogs.archivete.am/archiveteam-bs/2024-02-23 |
| 19:54:23 | <h2ibot> | Imer edited Current Projects (-120, remove tor urls): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53948&oldid=53947 |
| 19:54:38 | <thuban> | (i believe nothing's changed since) |
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| 21:58:11 | <TheTechRobo> | New op? :o |
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| 22:05:11 | <nicolas17> | uploading some more macOS warcs |
| 22:11:13 | <@arkiver> | nicolas17: let me know if things need moving :) |
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| 23:28:48 | <nicolas17> | arkiver: items are now created, but some only have the cdx and the warc is still uploading, I guess due to indexing etc it's best to wait until the warc is there before moving them? :P |
| 23:30:12 | <@arkiver> | nicolas17: it does not really matter |
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| 23:52:02 | <leo60228> | the youtube music parody channel siivagunner did a "lost media" themed event and to continue the joke deleted all the videos at the end of the event. i saw this coming and archived almost all the videos (with other people having grabbed the last three one way or another) and nicolas17 told me to brag about it here ::::p https://archive.org/details/siivagunner-lost-media-day |
| 23:52:15 | <leo60228> | i forgot to include the yt-dlp arguments for metadata, oh well |