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01:29:32<eggdrop>[remind] thuban: reverse-engineer https://buscadorsprogramacion.ift.org.mx/
01:37:00<@OrIdow6>kiska: So are your logs ever coming back?
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02:54:59<spearcat|m>aethy.com (NSFW) mastodon instance is shutting down in 30 days: https://aethy.com/@News/113556676109175443
03:09:30<@JAA>thuban: Aye. My disk space situation hasn't really improved, but I'm trying to get something going.
03:14:48<h2ibot>OrIdow6 created Mastadon (+22, Redirected page to [[Mastodon]]): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Mastadon
03:17:06<nicolas17>lol
03:17:14<nicolas17>someone keeps typoing it?
03:18:48<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Mastodon (+104, /* Dead and dying instances */ aethy.com): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53894&oldid=53676
03:19:25<@OrIdow6>spearcat|m: Sadly I still don't think we're able to archive mastadon even if the people on the instance agree, due to heavy use of Javascript and variations between software
03:19:42<@OrIdow6>If someone could figure out the users/post counts for the above BTW be my guest
03:22:49<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Mastodon (+98, /* Dead and dying instances */ On berries.space): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53895&oldid=53894
03:23:49<h2ibot>Nicolas17v2 edited Mastodon (+40, Link to the Fediverse page instead of indirect…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53896&oldid=53895
03:26:15<pabs>OrIdow6: as I wrote on the Fediverse page, my zygolophodon patch makes it easy to get a mastodon user (recent posts) or a thread
03:26:59<pabs>it can't do a full site though, but thats probably feasible if one were to patch it a bit more
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03:28:18<@OrIdow6>pabs: Ah, forgot about that, I guess if it was working fully we could make it into an AB bot?
03:29:07<pabs>in theory. the patch makes it write all the API calls it made, all outlinks and all the JS-URLs to a file
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03:29:36<pabs>I only wanted it for targeted archiving so far
03:30:04<pabs>can you mention it on the wiki page?
03:31:41<pabs>does anyone know if we have a way to make AB (or something) follow all the links on pages that give HTTP 300 Multiple Choices?
03:31:51<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Fediverse (+67): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53897&oldid=53747
03:31:52<@OrIdow6>pabs: Like that? ^
03:32:29<pabs>was thinking on the Mastodon one :)
03:34:44<@OrIdow6>Therer
03:34:51<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Mastodon (+292, /* Archival */ zygolophodon patch): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53898&oldid=53896
03:38:10<@OrIdow6>Anyway looking forward to having it fully working so we can answer these questions with "yes"
03:38:32<@OrIdow6>(Or rather, "maybe, contact your instance admin so the users can yell at them rather than us", but that's a separate issue :P )
03:42:32<nicolas17>pabs: afaik there is no standard format for the response of 300 Multiple Choices
03:43:00<nicolas17>if it returns an HTML page with <a href=""> links, I guess we need AB to treat it like a 200 and do its usual recursive crawling?
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03:54:44<pabs>nicolas17: yeah in this case it is just HTML http://lexx.thebruce.net/ -> 300 HTML -> http://lexx.thebruce.net/index.html.php
03:55:21<pabs>halo.wikibruce.net and other staticised mediawiki subdomains are similar, but with multiple pages linked from the 300
03:58:46<pabs>OrIdow6: btw _jwilk responded to the patch on IRC with "I had only a brief look, but I didn't like it.", trying to get more info so I can fix it and get it merged.
03:59:05<pabs>(and later need to get the webext patch for it finished/merged too)
03:59:39<pabs>TBH I'm not sure how easy it would be to do a whole site, is there even an API for finding all users?
04:00:04<pabs>and I hadn't planned on working on that at all :)
04:00:52<pabs>if there is a user API, might just need two changes: --all-users, and --limit none
04:12:43<pabs>hmm, wonder if grab-site or qwarc can treat 300 Multiple Choices as a normal 200 OK with HTML
04:14:28<pabs>ah, looks like qwarc with a custom response handler could
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04:23:00<@JAA>pabs: qwarc on its own does nothing with responses except writing them to WARC. Any extraction, regardless of 200 or 300 or 404 or whatever, is the spec file author's job.
04:23:33<@JAA>It doesn't even know what this text/html thing is. :-)
04:23:51<pabs>hmm, ok. I haven't looked at it before, was just going by the stuff in utils.py :)
04:24:32<@JAA>Yeah, that's purely for the HTTP side, i.e. whether a request is considered successful or not.
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04:32:47<pabs>hmm, wget seems to handle it. so maybe I'll just extract the URLs from that and AB them
04:34:04<pabs>a bit to much for large sites or large numbers of them though
04:37:00<pabs>ugh, it didn't find all pages
05:07:49<nicolas17>that_lurker: how did the boincstats job go?
05:47:12<that_lurker>nicolas17: The job is still running
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06:43:28<h2ibot>PaulWise created Mailing Lists (+8239, summarise initial discussion): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Mailing%20Lists
06:46:02<that_lurker>nicolas17: Now it finished
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07:07:18<nulldata>Deals on root servers at netcup https://www.netcup.com/en/deals/black-friday
07:08:32<nulldata>If anyone wants to grab AB more pipes lol
07:11:56<nulldata>nullpipe is on a RS4000 but I wonder if RS 2000 would be workable - JAA?
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07:17:16<@JAA>nulldata: Certainly. rudder is an RS 2000 G11 (matching the current offer) and working very well.
07:17:27<@JAA>See also #archivebot
07:28:32<steering>pff, i'm paying 2eur more for it :)
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09:03:34<IDK>nuke.hackint.org went down and i dont have any logs, but is the tracker down?
09:05:11<szczot3k><@OrIdow6> Backfeed is down on Cohost too, seems to be a gloabl thing > whatever that means seems relevant
09:06:52<@OrIdow6>It means you'll be able to receive items but not submit (a lot of) them
09:07:40<@OrIdow6>Oh, looks like the tracker is giving 500s now too
09:08:00<@OrIdow6>... on #//.
09:18:55<h2ibot>PaulWise edited Mailing Lists (+12, minor fixes): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53900&oldid=53899
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10:25:06<h2ibot>Manu edited Mastodon (+114, /* Adding social.npo.nl via mannie in…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53901&oldid=53898
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11:52:47<robin9>Hi there, completely new here, hope to be in the right place. Today I learned about the looming demise of SketchFab, a collection of 3D models, many of which under CC licenses and created by museums etc. https://sketchfab.com/blogs/community/fab-publishing-portal-open-for-sketchfab-migration/
11:52:47<robin9>https://www.change.org/p/keep-sketchfab-alive-preserve-open-access-to-3d-art-museum-collections https://www.reddit.com/r/Sketchfab/comments/1fn18fe/this_fab_situation_need_to_stop_right_now/
11:52:47<robin9>While there are apparently thoughts of allowing such files to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, it may take time until this is possible. So I thought it would be good to have a provisional backup. So far I haven't found any indication that someone here or elsewhere is doing that already. I looked into downloading this myself (they have an API), but
11:52:47<robin9>I estimate that this may well be dozens of terabytes of data, which would be too much for me (about 1 million CC models as of 2022 (https://sketchfab.com/blogs/community/sketchfab-celebrates-10-million-members/) and most of them seem to be >10MB). Any propositions on how to proceed?
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11:56:33<that_lurker>All the download are behind login (At least all of the ones I looked at) and that makes saving them hard
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11:59:17<robin9>For the Download API you need an account/key too, but then it should work, right? Of course it's unknown what kind of quotas they have...
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14:27:20<that_lurker|m>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42264427 Hetzner cutting traffic from 20tb to 1tb on US vps
14:30:06<that_lurker|m>Oops that was supposed to be sent to -ot
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16:21:38<Guest77>Hi, just wanted to say that i found a way to display the files in my browser without much hassle. It consists into extract the .warc file(which has the original URLs, for conservation purposes) and then doing a regex inside the files extracted, to replace "https" for "empty". After this, running a http server (i.e. python http.server) and opening the folder in the browser makes it working for me. For this, you need to use "cd" "$PWD" "unar" the http
16:21:38<Guest77>server and this line, which removes the "https://" from all urls making it being recognized by the browser inside the http server: "find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i "s#https://#/#g""; Without removing the https:// thing, you end up having all the original URLs and thus not using the archived .warc files but the online website.
16:22:16<Guest77>This is all made by a script, i only need to indicate the name of the .warc file to unar
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17:27:44<eggdrop>[remind] thuban: reverse-engineer https://comite5g.ift.org.mx/
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20:16:26<szczot3k>Is there a project where the tracker isn't dead now?
20:20:41<@OrIdow6>!tell Guest77 the setup you described is for viewing static files in a directory with wabac.js?
20:20:42<eggdrop>[tell] ok, I'll tell Guest77 when they join next
20:26:49<@OrIdow6>that_lurker robin: Without login I guess we could get the models as they display in the web interface? "binz" format, whatever that is, but looks no less plausible than another site
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20:29:41<nicolas17>szczot3k: askfm is working, because it's now prioritizing items that *don't* discover new items and send them to backfeed
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20:49:47<@JAA>URLTeam is also unaffected.
20:54:33<nicolas17>afaik it turned out the backfeed errors make wget fail, so are the others paused to avoid trashing items?
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21:34:19Topic: Lengthy ArchiveTeam-related discussions, questions here | Offtopic: #archiveteam-ot | https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1069715869994020867
21:34:19Topic set by JAA at 2021-11-02 03:43:57Z
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21:42:00<@arkiver>may be interesting to do a project fr sketchfab yes
21:42:20<@arkiver>i have had a long day and am tired, so first some sleep
21:43:30<imer>good night!
21:44:57<@arkiver>thanks imer :)
21:48:05<robin>@OrIdow6 @that_lurker: I have tried the Sketchfab API now, unfortunately it has quite a low quota (I think 300 per day, but we will see). This might still suffice to at least get the most important stuff over the next weeks (e.g. Cultural Heritage & History). See https://github.com/traines-source/sketchfab-backup. But maybe it's still worth trying via the website, although I seemed to get a 429 there, too, and quite quickly,
21:48:06<robin>even accidentally. But don't know how sophisticated your distributed systems are.
21:48:38<@OrIdow6>robin: By the API, you mean the official documented authenticated one?
21:48:59<robin>yup
21:48:59<@arkiver>robin: do you have an example of where the API lets you actually download the data from?
21:49:21<@arkiver>does it give some URL for the download? maybe that URL is easy to guess and downloadable
21:50:30<robin>don't think so. It's AWS S3 with some URL token (the following one is already expired): https:\/\/sketchfab-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com\/archives\/897cf66bcfe347c1b75098f9a9ab9db8\/glb\/9c324d1fda8f46ed96c701459843c1e5\/floor_tile_from_the_monastery_church_in_mogila.glb?AWSAccessKeyId=ASIAZ4EAQ242GOAE6BSU&Signature=nEMfFNsEq7RdNIlrVpvt%2FpR3rnI%3D&x-amz-security-token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjELf%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%
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21:51:14<@arkiver>hmm
21:51:36<@OrIdow6>Do we have a writeup anywhere of what's happenign to SketchFab? On first glance their announcement is kinda confusing (I suspect deliberately so)
21:51:55<robin>didn't wanna keep you awake, arkiver :)
21:53:44<robin>yeah it's quite confusing, but in that blog post I sent it does say "As with all other free content on Sketchfab, these models will remain available for download until licensing becomes completely unavailable on Sketchfab. The models will continue to be viewable but will no longer be available for download on Sketchfab when licensing becomes unavailable."
21:55:57<@OrIdow6>Yes, I read that, but it's unclear to me when "licensing becomes completely unavailable" (is thisf the same as "remove free licensing" at some unspecified point in 2025?) will happen or whether they mean to keep them up, no-download, indefinitely
21:58:07<@OrIdow6>I guess nothing happening this year?
21:58:15<@OrIdow6>That hasn't already happened
21:59:28<robin>yeah idk. probably at some point they will shut it off completely. but yeah we do have couple of month's time until anything happens I guess
22:01:53<szczot3k>'at some point' > when their new platform gains enough traction
22:02:08<szczot3k>or maybe someone from management becomes pissed that it's taking too long
22:06:10<@arkiver>(agreed with OrIdow6 on the announcement)
22:06:16<@arkiver>but yes need sleep, good night!
22:06:55<robin>good night :) and yes probably
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