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| 00:21:58 | <balrog> | JAA: recent PUEL fuckup? wondering which one, that's all |
| 00:22:16 | <balrog> | they did move USB2.0/3.0 support to the core, so that makes the PUEL-licensed components nowhere near as necessary as they used to be |
| 00:25:23 | <@JAA> | (Context: VirtualBox, from #archivebot) |
| 00:26:05 | <@JAA> | balrog: They released a new version of the extension pack and announced that the licence had changed to remove the evaluation clause, but the PUEL text on the website hadn't been changed. |
| 00:26:30 | <balrog> | ah dang |
| 00:26:45 | <@JAA> | So effectively, it was maybe still under the old licence, unintentionally. |
| 00:26:49 | <balrog> | lol....... |
| 00:27:01 | <balrog> | maybe, maybe not, hard to say |
| 00:27:08 | <balrog> | if it's a clickwrap then probably not |
| 00:27:19 | <balrog> | still, with that change to USB, the pack isn't usually needed anymore |
| 00:27:19 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
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| 01:05:07 | | steering considers |
| 01:05:50 | <steering> | does a "clickwrap" EULA still apply to you if you bypass the installer by, say, just extracting the files out of it instead? |
| 01:09:32 | <steering> | (i.e. you can use 7zip to open an NSIS installer) |
| 01:10:22 | <steering> | (half the time i bet cabextract would work on installers) |
| 01:10:30 | <nicolas17> | I'd say yes, they did their best attempt to make sure you're aware of the legal terms, if you go out of your way to bypass it and not read it, it still applies |
| 01:11:02 | <@JAA> | I mean, posting the wrong licence on the website is far from the best attempt, but... :-) |
| 01:11:48 | <nicolas17> | I didn't see the context above |
| 01:13:21 | <@JAA> | The PUEL gives you a licence to 'reproduce, install, execute, and use internally'. Whether unpacking the installer falls under that would be an interesting court case. |
| 01:14:04 | <steering> | "but your honor, I wasn't trying not to read it, I just don't like installers" :D |
| 01:14:06 | <@JAA> | But there's also 'You may not do any of the following: [...] remove or alter any proprietary legends or notices contained in the Product', which should cover it. |
| 01:15:17 | <steering> | aww :( |
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| 02:21:28 | <@JAA> | inb4 we need to archive all of .io. |
| 02:24:27 | <nicolas17> | why :| |
| 02:25:12 | <@JAA> | The UK is returning their Indian Ocean Territory to Mauritius: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98ynejg4l5o |
| 02:26:05 | <nicolas17> | :popcorn: |
| 02:27:08 | <@JAA> | TLDs for countries (or country-like entities) have been withdrawn before, but on the other hand, .su still exists, so maybe .io will remain, too. |
| 02:27:41 | <nicolas17> | there have been problems with .af this year |
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| 02:53:49 | <nicolas17> | JAA: I'm sure if .io ends up being managed by Mauritius they will do a good job of it |
| 02:53:53 | <nicolas17> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.mu#Recent_events |
| 02:53:56 | <nicolas17> | what could go wrong |
| 02:54:21 | <@JAA> | nicolas17: If it ends up getting integrated into Mauritius, .io would cease to exist. |
| 02:54:36 | <@JAA> | They wouldn't take over the TLD. |
| 02:57:18 | <@JAA> | But yeah, beautiful. |
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| 03:42:15 | <tzt> | If .io changes hands perhaps one could ask the NIC for the zone file |
| 03:43:42 | <steering> | .su and .ru are run by the same folks though, whereas .io is run by some british company (actually apparently now ->Afilias->Identity Digital which is US) |
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| 04:18:44 | <monoxane> | it'll probably go down like .tv and provide a substantial boost to the nations economy for basically no effort |
| 04:22:49 | <monoxane> | or IANA will reclassify it as a gTLD |
| 04:22:54 | <monoxane> | which would probably be the best solution ngl |
| 04:25:15 | <nicolas17> | is there any two-character gTLD? |
| 04:27:09 | <steering> | no, but hey then you'd also be able to get the zone file through CZDS :P |
| 04:28:43 | <steering> | I would kinda hope that they just give it back to Mauritius and they let Identity Digital keep running it |
| 04:34:14 | <steering> | also how does that wikipedia article call 2015 "recent events" (although to be fair it hasn't seen any real updates since then) |
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| 05:53:58 | <monoxane> | yea good point nicolas17, I have a feeling theres a blanket policy against them so theres no ccTLD collisions for any new counties in the future |
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| 07:18:37 | <Vokun> | O no.... What about agar.io??? |
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| 10:11:44 | <nimaje> | monoxane, nicolas17: there can't be any two letter gTLDs, as those are reserved for ccTLDs only and afaik 'su' is some special case in the relevant ISO, so the ccTLD continues to exist too |
| 10:33:09 | <murb> | yeah don't understand why we have 'su' but not 'cs' |
| 10:36:48 | <betamax> | dropping by after a long absense with a note: |
| 10:36:53 | <betamax> | For the URL shortener project, are we scraping academic papers to search for shortened URLs in thr citations? |
| 10:37:03 | <betamax> | this was brought to my attention just now by a 2018 paper where all of the web citations are just a title and a goo.gl link (whixh will stop working next year) |
| 10:37:16 | <betamax> | doing tricks like this to save space is unfortunately common in academia to get papers under the page count) |
| 10:37:54 | <murb> | betamax: oh the shortened links in CACM really annoy me. |
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| 10:39:17 | <Flashfire42> | betamax due to how the urlteam stuff actually works we arent technically preserving the short urls as WARCs rather it is 2 fold we are grabbing the urls and their destinations in text documents and then whenever datechnoman decides he wants people to spend more money on #// he puts some of the expanded destinations into the tracker for archival |
| 10:40:18 | <datechnoman> | Flashfire42 - hahah I feel it costs me a lot more money xD |
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| 10:41:52 | <betamax> | Flashfire42: yeah, just saving the mappings of shortened URL to original URL woupd be sufficient |
| 10:42:33 | <betamax> | but that likely requires access to the papers themselves..... and thats not easy |
| 10:42:38 | <Flashfire42> | then yes those are being grabbed. URLteam is quite hands off most of the time its me kicking the tracker when errors get thrown |
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| 10:42:51 | <datechnoman> | What someone needs to do is index all of the warc's from urlteam and have a page where you insert the shortner and it redirects it to WBM |
| 10:43:20 | <@JAA> | s/warc/txt/ |
| 10:43:23 | <datechnoman> | Would give the end use end-to-end mapping |
| 10:43:33 | <datechnoman> | yeah that JAA. Always correcting me :P |
| 10:43:43 | <@JAA> | And yeah, something like that would be nice. |
| 10:44:34 | <Flashfire42> | ideally we would have urlteam start making WARCs but other sites keep doing this annoying thing called dying so we never get around to it and before you ask no way in fuck am I trying |
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| 10:44:48 | <betamax> | oh, so there is a good chance that the URLs mapping have been saved? |
| 10:45:10 | <Flashfire42> | betamax yes. tho we are always discovering new urls so |
| 10:45:17 | <datechnoman> | betamax - The urlteam project maps them already |
| 10:45:39 | <@JAA> | For goo.gl specifically, URLTeam has covered only a relatively small part so far, but there are plans for a full project in #urlteamwasright sometime soon™. |
| 10:45:40 | <betamax> | i assumed urlteam would only be able to get a small percentage of them just because of the large search space |
| 10:46:08 | <@JAA> | And that would be WARC. |
| 10:46:47 | <betamax> | is there a way to get the mapping for a particular url to check to see if urlteam got it? or does it involve downloading large compressed text files? |
| 10:47:00 | <@OrIdow6> | Something to scrape links from academic papers in general sounds like something the IA might do |
| 10:48:12 | <betamax> | e.g. goo.gl/AdpKBU (an example from the paper i am reading right now) |
| 10:48:15 | <@JAA> | There's no index of the URLTeam data currently (that I know of), so unless it's one of the shorteners we're doing sequentially, it'll be in a random item. |
| 10:48:31 | <monoxane> | murb .su is former Soviet Union |
| 10:49:03 | <betamax> | hmmm, thats inconvenient (but undersstandable) |
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| 10:49:23 | <@JAA> | Looks like we may actually be doing goo.gl sequentially, but not entirely sure. |
| 10:50:11 | <@JAA> | Latest pack has shortcodes starting with H7, so Ad should've been covered a long time ago. |
| 10:50:21 | <@JAA> | But finding which one it is, well, good luck. :-/ |
| 10:50:55 | <betamax> | anyway, i need to get back to this security queue in the airport or ill miss my flight :) |
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| 10:54:37 | <@arkiver> | we'll be getting all of goo.gl soon though |
| 10:54:41 | <@arkiver> | #urlteamwasright |
| 10:55:03 | <Flashfire42> | soon(TM) |
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| 17:25:28 | <Barto> | JAA: that's damn interesting about the PUEL fuckup, i havent heard about it, do you have any article/proof about it? |
| 17:26:05 | <Barto> | Oracle-- |
| 17:26:08 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'Oracle' now has -5 karma! |
| 17:26:13 | <Barto> | fireonlive++ |
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| 17:27:25 | <Barto> | JAA: we had Oracle contact us at work about this pack surprisingly enough, if you know when it means |
| 17:27:33 | <Barto> | what* |
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| 18:19:29 | <kpcyrd> | the goons ride at dawn |
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| 18:21:49 | <mannie> | The .io domain name is in danger now that the Chagos islands are nolonger from britanian source(dutch): https://tweakers.net/geek/227304/vk-geeft-kleine-eilandengroep-weg-met-mogelijke-grote-gevolgen-voor-io-domein.html |
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| 18:33:21 | <kpcyrd> | props for uncolonizing however |
| 18:34:57 | <Xanthon> | no way icann will let it die |
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| 18:51:18 | <masterx244|m> | <Xanthon> "no way icann will let it die" <- especially since its "load-bearing" in the interwebz with a few major domains on it. Points at github.io, that domain is heavily interglued with stuff |
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| 18:54:47 | <nicolas17> | too big to fail |
| 18:59:29 | <murb> | Xanthon: if & when the FCO tells them to cancel it there is probably not they can really do. |
| 19:01:21 | <murb> | other ccTLDs have just had changes of management due to say regime change and things have gone away, and yeah it is the job of IANA rather than ICANN directly. |
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| 19:23:14 | <@OrIdow6> | We did deal with a TLD kicking a bunch of people off of it (I think Brexit-related?) a while back, so at worst could do the same thing here |
| 19:23:38 | <@OrIdow6> | If it does happen issue will be capturing redirects on the big ones (e.g. Github) and complete captures of personal sites etc |
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| 19:27:46 | <murb> | the more i look the more fishy this cctld seems: https://web.archive.org/web/20081201043848/http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/io.html |
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| 19:27:54 | <nicolas17> | OrIdow6: .eu told UK residents to send proof that they are also EU citizens before $deadline or their domains would be taken down |
| 19:28:14 | <murb> | nicolas17: no citizensihp required for .eu you just need an address in the eu. |
| 19:28:30 | <nicolas17> | ah, yeah they were asking for address then |
| 19:28:47 | <kpcyrd> | aren't there agents for that |
| 19:28:54 | <murb> | of course. |
| 19:29:23 | <murb> | but i suspect lots of them were defensive registrations and when it was brought to their attention they let them go. |
| 19:31:35 | <nicolas17> | or personal domains, where they wouldn't even know where to get an "agent" or afford one |
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