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00:26:55 | <myself> | there's no bugmenot login for the forums? |
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02:00:55 | <nulldata> | https://www.merklemap.com/ |
02:07:51 | <nicolas17> | how does that work? certificate transparency? |
02:23:15 | <nulldata> | No idea |
02:24:20 | <nulldata> | Saw it posted on HN |
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02:40:21 | <@OrIdow6> | https://users.rust-lang.org/t/merklemap-ct-subdomain-search-engine/117223 looks like it |
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03:00:02 | <nulldata> | So yes basically |
03:00:20 | <nulldata> | Someone should suggest they add AB log monitoring lol |
03:03:04 | <pabs> | from ##programming <dostoyevsky2> It seems like spotify is killing particle detector :( |
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03:05:32 | <Nicker8> | Imgsrc.ru |
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03:20:42 | <pabs> | heres a ghetto-style client for the merkelmap API: curl -s 'https://api.merklemap.com/search?query=*.google.com&stream=true' | sed 's/^data: //;/^$/d' | jq -r '.domain , .subject_common_name' | sed 's/^\*\.//' | sort -u |
03:21:12 | <nicolas17> | what does stream=true do? |
03:22:03 | <pabs> | prevents the need for pagination, found it in https://github.com/Barre/merklemap-cli/blob/master/src/lib.rs |
03:23:55 | | pabs not sure how this is different to crt.sh too, since it seems to be based on CT logs indeed |
03:25:49 | <pabs> | re Particle Detector, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gyAs28Z-5FDHv3VF18o6SMQzpi0_DnKku8Vop5N6UyM/pubhtml# |
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03:29:44 | <Nicker8> | Imgsrc |
03:30:32 | <@JAA> | Hi Nicker8, how can we help you? |
03:30:49 | <Nicker8> | How do I get to imgsrc.ru? |
03:31:26 | <@JAA> | Probably by opening it in a browser, not an IRC client. |
03:31:51 | <Nicker8> | It showed in a wiki that it was suppose to be here |
03:32:52 | <@JAA> | This is where we would (at least initially) discuss about potentially archiving it. |
03:33:05 | <Nicker8> | You haven't archived it? |
03:33:52 | <@JAA> | Not to my knowledge. |
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03:35:33 | <@JAA> | (Which the wiki says, too.) |
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03:41:36 | <Nicker8> | Why is there a wiki of imgsrc.ru if it don't work on here |
03:41:57 | <nicolas17> | "this seems to be at risk of disappearing and maybe we should archive it" goes to the wiki too |
03:42:22 | <nicolas17> | the wiki is for internal collaboration, not a catalog of archived data for people to use |
03:43:09 | <nicolas17> | Nicker8: was there an announcement of it shutting down soon or something like that? |
03:44:14 | <Nicker8> | https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Imgsrc.ru and I don't get why it makes me think there was archived data when it was at top search |
03:44:35 | <nicolas17> | it says "not saved yet" |
03:44:46 | <Nicker8> | Darnit. |
03:45:39 | <nicolas17> | JAA: huh looks like imgsrc.ru is excluded from the WBM |
03:46:20 | <Nicker8> | Because there is pornography on it and wayback machine refuses certain sites that contain pornography and its also a russian site |
03:47:09 | <nicolas17> | I gues if archiveteam had archived it, the data would be on archive.org, but inaccessible because the site is in WBM exclusions :P |
03:47:41 | <Nicker8> | Wouldn't there be another way to archive the data? |
03:48:04 | <@JAA> | The WBM doesn't have an issue with including pornography. Those exclusions are normally manually triggered by a request from the site owners. |
03:48:25 | <Nicker8> | It's a russian site so maybe that's why |
03:53:31 | <Nicker8> | I dont know if there is another way to archive it |
03:53:57 | <@JAA> | Archiving it isn't necessarily the problem. But making the archive accessible is. |
03:54:36 | <Nicker8> | You can't if wbm doesn't let you and there should be another way |
03:56:27 | <Nicker8> | Wbm shouldn't be the only archive site |
03:56:43 | <nulldata> | Being Russian isn't a reason IA excludes for either lol |
03:57:16 | <Nicker8> | The site is russian not a person |
03:58:38 | <@JAA> | It's expensive to run something like the IA/WBM. Yes, it'd be nice if all the eggs weren't in one basket, but there simply is no other institution currently. And I don't see that changing either. |
03:59:45 | <Nicker8> | There's other types of archives sites I think when you search but I don't know if it would work for imgsrc.ru |
04:00:01 | <@JAA> | Nothing is comparable in scale to IA. |
04:01:16 | <Nicker8> | What about archive.su? |
04:01:37 | <Nicker8> | Archive.fo* |
04:03:34 | <@JAA> | Yeah, it's cute. It's over 100 times smaller than IA, IIRC. |
04:04:11 | <Nicker8> | are |
04:04:26 | <Nicker8> | archive.today could work right? |
04:06:01 | <@JAA> | It's slow, not automatable, has no data exports (and never supported WARC), etc. I don't consider it a proper archive. |
04:06:16 | <@JAA> | It's also entirely unclear who runs it etc. |
04:06:24 | <Nicker8> | What else is nothing? |
04:10:34 | <nicolas17> | Nicker8: is imgsrc.ru at risk of shutdown? |
04:11:13 | <Nicker8> | And I'm pretty sure it would depend |
04:12:03 | <Nicker8> | It's ran since 2006 and surprisingly has not been archived like wow its been around since 2006 like youtube been around since 2005 already was archived and imgsrc.ru hasn't? Wow |
04:12:32 | <nicolas17> | lol surely you don't think we have the entire youtube archived |
04:13:17 | <Nicker8> | Atleast you have youtube on wbm still |
04:14:18 | <nulldata> | Only an extremely small portion compared to what is available lol |
04:14:47 | <Nicker8> | I mean so what you expect everything to have everything on it? |
04:15:41 | <nicolas17> | we don't know why imgsrc is blocked on WBM, we're not the Internet Archive |
04:16:01 | <Nicker8> | Pretty sure because it doesn't accept .ru url |
04:17:14 | <Flashfire42> | Thats not how any of this works anymore. Since Archive.org started ignoring robots.txt it is only really excluded if its CSAM or if the website owner requests its removal |
04:17:36 | <Nicker8> | Oh maybe both |
04:18:00 | <Nicker8> | Well actually there's still CSAM on archive.org possibly depends on what your type is |
04:18:11 | <nicolas17> | https://web.archive.org/web/20240907062326/https://cctld.ru/ |
04:18:18 | <steering> | If it were me, I would not be hosting anything that came from imgsrc.ru |
04:18:20 | <nicolas17> | dunno where you get the idea that all of .ru is blocked |
04:18:50 | <Nicker8> | I don't know where he gets the idea of how CSAM content is all blocked |
04:19:59 | <Flashfire42> | I meant on the wayback machine its only manual exclusions these days. If the website is requested to be removed by the site owner or if someone emails the archive.org info email adress and goes hey t.me/DEFSNOTILLEGAL/8887 has CSAM maybe you should block that from being viewed |
04:20:11 | <Flashfire42> | Thats what I meant |
04:20:30 | <Flashfire42> | Things dont generally get excluded from wayback |
04:20:36 | <Nicker8> | Yeah I get it it's not fully accurate of what it does I know |
04:21:48 | <Flashfire42> | There arent blanket blocks on tld tho |
04:22:58 | <Nicker8> | What do you mean blanket blocks lol |
04:24:03 | <Flashfire42> | I meant they wont just block a whole TLD. the individual site owner has to say hey exclude my website from archive.org or an admin at IA has to go Well fuck keeping this available to the public is not worth it right now lets dark it |
04:24:45 | <Nicker8> | Pretty sure the owner probably didn't want it on there |
04:25:05 | <nicolas17> | what do you want us to do? |
04:25:06 | <Flashfire42> | Then yeah that is what has happened then they would have manually requested exclusion |
04:26:04 | <Nicker8> | Find another site like wbm if it's possible or find an archiving accessible data site that either gets created or already is there |
04:31:46 | <nulldata> | You're welcome to create your own |
04:32:08 | <Nicker8> | I have to do all the work? |
04:32:42 | <nulldata> | Build it and they will come - maybe |
04:33:00 | <Nicker8> | I just signed up to this and this is what I'm getting right now |
04:33:02 | <nicolas17> | we have to do all the work for you? |
04:33:15 | <Nicker8> | I thought that's what your job is |
04:33:25 | <TheTechRobo> | our job is to archive the data |
04:33:27 | <TheTechRobo> | not to store it |
04:33:27 | <Nicker8> | The "archiveteam" |
04:33:34 | <TheTechRobo> | Storing data is expensive |
04:33:54 | <TheTechRobo> | The Mildom project is 240TiB so far. That's roughly ten 24TB hard drives |
04:34:00 | <nulldata> | There's plenty of existinf open source AT projects to bootstrap from |
04:34:15 | <nicolas17> | why should we work on archiving imgsrc.ru with so many other sites to archive? (some of which already announced they will shut down soon so they are obviously a priority) |
04:34:39 | <Nicker8> | Isn't imgsrc.ru one of them? |
04:34:52 | <nicolas17> | did they announce they are shutting down soon? |
04:35:18 | <Nicker8> | You don't know when it can shut down sometimes they don't tell you and it gets shut down |
04:35:52 | <nulldata> | Funny, I feel like that's been asked a few times in the past hour with no answer lol |
04:36:21 | <nicolas17> | sure... meanwhile there's another site that announced it will shut down in September 1st, and it did, but some videos are still in the CDN so we're saving as much as we can |
04:36:41 | <Nicker8> | It's September 7th what are you talking about |
04:36:43 | <nicolas17> | and we're having trouble with that because our intermediate servers are absolutely saturated with network and disk |
04:37:32 | <nulldata> | Do you remember? The 21 first night of September. |
04:37:32 | <nicolas17> | exactly, the website shut down 7 days ago and we're saving the data that is still in their file server, if we got the links from the website before the shutdown |
04:39:05 | <Nicker8> | This has to be a circus right now this is looking like a stand up comedy show that didn't get many claps right now and apparently this isn't what I expected to sign up |
04:39:29 | <nicolas17> | yeah you thought you could come here and give a request and everyone would drop what they are doing and work on your request for free |
04:39:54 | <Nicker8> | It wasn't a request it was to see if imgsrc.ru was already archived |
04:40:17 | <nicolas17> | maybe it is, maybe it isn't, we can't know because archive.org blocked it, maybe go ask archive.org why it's blocked |
04:40:43 | <Nicker8> | We already know apparently you didn't see that |
04:40:54 | <Flashfire42> | Nicolas17 is being a bit of a dick but he is saying exactly what we are all thinking. We have to prioritise what we can. It would be great to grab every video every uploaded to youtube but we dont have the space or time to do that. We only archive we cant control if something is blocked from the archive. It fucking sucks but they are well within |
04:40:54 | <Flashfire42> | their rights to block it |
04:41:08 | <Flashfire42> | And I commend him for saying what we are all thinking |
04:41:35 | <nicolas17> | Flashfire42: I guess you were still typing when Nicker8 successfully out-dicked me :P |
04:41:50 | <Flashfire42> | yeah I was XD |
04:42:07 | <Nicker8> | Yeah do you think you can control everything that happens on imgsrc.ru like removed accounts or removed posts hm? |
04:42:31 | <Nicker8> | Exactly that's what could've been archived |
04:43:58 | <Nicker8> | I don't think nulldata knows his days very well lol |
04:44:02 | <nicolas17> | maybe go ask archive.org why it's blocked |
04:44:19 | <Nicker8> | Bro we already know did you not see? |
04:47:27 | <Flashfire42> | Nicker8 my advice. If you want to help? Run a warrior. Donate to the archive.org fundraisers. Stick around for a bit. recommend a few sites to run in archivebot. Get to know how we work and then you can start to mkae polite requests |
04:47:39 | <nulldata> | Can't you see? Woha can't you see. |
04:48:01 | <Nicker8> | I have to pay money now? |
04:48:56 | <Flashfire42> | I mean you dont have to donate money directly to the archive but if you come in here making demands of a site that hasnt announced a shutdown then you should be contributing something |
04:48:59 | <Nicker8> | This isn't what I thought it was about requests |
04:49:36 | <@OrIdow6> | This ain't joquinit, this seems overly antagonistic |
04:49:52 | <nulldata> | ArchiveTeam OnlyFans |
04:49:56 | <Flashfire42> | I mean assuming archivebot isnt still on fire it might be able to be run in archivebot but we cant do anything about making it Publically accessible if the site is manually excluded from the wayback machine |
04:50:13 | <@OrIdow6> | Nicker8: So from my understanding, imgsrc.ru is important to the Russian Internet, but not curreently at immediate heightened risk? |
04:50:14 | <nicolas17> | Flashfire42: |
04:50:36 | <nicolas17> | Flashfire42: nsfw content seems to have a click-through that sets a cookie, so at least *that* won't work with archivebot |
04:50:38 | <Nicker8> | Nope it is |
04:50:48 | <@OrIdow6> | Nicker8: How so? |
04:51:04 | | steering passed around popcorn |
04:51:10 | <Nicker8> | It's very rare? |
04:52:05 | <@OrIdow6> | Nicker8: When you say "nope it is", are you replying to "imgsrc.ru is important to the Russian Internet", or to "but not curreently at immediate heightened risk"? |
04:52:15 | <@OrIdow6> | *currently |
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04:52:42 | <@OrIdow6> | :| |
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04:53:34 | <DigitalDragons> | aw they left |
04:53:38 | <Flashfire42> | DigitalDragons well they left but I still want snacks |
04:53:50 | <nicolas17> | I remembered this recent conversation https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779844089196576809/1281668489425322184/image0.jpg?ex=66dddfcc&is=66dc8e4c&hm=4e3d1745791353bfa6a487f310c78284161931ed4ac5eb53ee37a9d8a41a29b8& |
04:54:12 | <@OrIdow6> | And here I was actually trying to communicate... |
04:54:28 | <steering> | nicolas17: lmao |
04:54:36 | | steering thinks back to 13 on irc |
04:54:38 | <steering> | you're not wrong |
04:55:15 | <steering> | OrIdow6: I don't think it's at any more risk than any other semi-legal free image host that allows porn |
04:55:30 | <nicolas17> | "it could shut down at any moment you never know" is the default state of every website |
04:55:34 | <steering> | ^ |
04:55:40 | <@OrIdow6> | steering: When you say "semi-legal" do you mean it hosts a lot of child porn? |
04:55:52 | <steering> | OrIdow6: it certainly used to have a reputation for such. |
04:56:26 | <steering> | it has "passworded" galleries that are, or were, basically unmoderated |
04:56:49 | <nicolas17> | I browsed around the nudity category and didn't even find actual nudity, only very risque teasing |
04:57:25 | <@OrIdow6> | If it's indeed a Russian site I guess that means the Russian political/media environment would be what determines if it's at heightened risk for that? |
04:57:43 | <Flashfire42> | CSAM not child porn |
04:57:56 | <@OrIdow6> | I'm not familiar with Russian politics |
04:58:23 | <steering> | did a search for "young" and yup I didn't want to see any of that, even if it is AI |
04:58:37 | <steering> | glad I used tor *washes hands* |
04:58:51 | <nicolas17> | oh yeah I didn't try that kind of thing |
04:59:30 | <@OrIdow6> | Could still be a nice proactive project to do I guess? Image hosts to tend to die rather dramatically |
04:59:42 | <@OrIdow6> | But that makes it priority number... ca 70 |
05:00:06 | <nicolas17> | what about WBM's block though |
05:01:10 | <@OrIdow6> | I can't give you a super well-thought-out answer to that, but in short even if the WBM blocks it now it still may be useful in 50 years |
05:01:36 | <@OrIdow6> | Certainly does make it less attractive though |
05:05:49 | <DigitalDragons> | WBM excluded sites have been done before (zippyshare) |
05:06:52 | <steering> | if it were in the US I'd say it's certain to at least go the way of imgur, but yeah I don't know about RU |
05:08:35 | <steering> | I'm guessing it's excluded due to the quantity of "depictions of minors" which are illegal in the US (but maybe not RU?) |
05:10:44 | <@OrIdow6> | ("And here I was actually trying to communicate" was not meant to be casting shade BTW, implicit "in my laborious manner" at the end) |
05:11:25 | <DigitalDragons> | If they're not imminently shutting down, I don't see much of a reason for an organized grab |
05:12:25 | <DigitalDragons> | Especially if they're well known for hosting "depictions of minors" |
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12:21:03 | <ixitUIIRX> | Greetings, does anyone is operator (@) or voice (+), can help me archive a link in #archivebot, thank you! |
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21:50:15 | <nicolas17> | I have been privately informed that "toucharcade.com is likely heading for a shutdown" |
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21:56:01 | <thuban> | seems like it should be ok to ab, i'll start a job |
21:57:18 | <nicolas17> | looks like it's wordpress |
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23:09:23 | <nicolas17> | thuban: toucharcade AB queue keeps growing a lot (210k URLs), any idea what that could be? |
23:10:20 | <nicolas17> | I guess we won't know until it finishes with the current recursion depth level and goes to the next ones |
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23:33:08 | <thuban> | nicolas17: article pages + related resources (images) + forum threads |
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23:50:51 | <thuban> | oh, and external links. |
23:53:04 | <thuban> | which is not to say that there's nothing that should be ignored, but i did a bunch of ignores during the first few levels which should cover most of it |
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