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04:28:00<h2ibot>PaulWise edited SmolNet (+485, some updates): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53270&oldid=53256
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08:13:16<@arkiver>bot is back, also made a change i hope might fix things on the long term
08:13:19<@arkiver>we'll have to see
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09:04:17<datechnoman>thanks mate!
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10:09:56<c3manu>i was wondering the other day, what the status and/or plans of archiving the demoscene looks like. i've seen a few old grabs for scene.org + subdomains, but nothing really for pouet.net, scenesat.com, demoparty.info or the likes.
10:10:24<c3manu>escpecially now that the demoscene is unesco cultural heritage ;) https://www.unesco.de/en/culture-and-nature/intangible-cultural-heritage/demoscene-culture-digital-real-time-animations
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12:14:58<immibis>c3manu: I guess you'll have to do it. pouet, demozoo, scene.org, etc seem archiving-friendly.
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12:54:07<HiccupJul>Is someone looking at romhacking.net? The owner is going to shut it down soon (against community wishes) and the archive they posted isn't actually complete.
13:08:23<immibis>sounds like an archivebot task probably?
13:18:56<c3manu>HiccupJul: do you have a reference for the announcement?
13:21:36<HiccupJul>c3manu: https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=39405.0 https://x.com/romhackdoting/status/1820932740520312915
13:21:37<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/romhackdoting/status/1820932740520312915
13:22:46<HiccupJul>but basically, the owner is not showing any interest in maintaining the site or giving it to someone else, and some things will expire soon / who knows if he'll just outright delete it all of a sudden in response to complaints
13:22:56<c3manu>HiccupJul: merci
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13:23:35<HiccupJul>but yeah, i think it should be doable with archivebot. doesn't seem like it has the download captcha anymore
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13:25:57<HiccupJul>i'll post in #archivebot
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14:22:41<@arkiver>bot is back up
14:22:42<@arkiver>i undid the change i previously made
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14:58:14<h2ibot>PaulWise edited SmolNet (+756, some updates): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=53271&oldid=53270
14:59:24<pabs>c3manu: I'm idling on #demoscene on libera, was thinking about starting a wiki for archiving stuff at some point. didn't get around to it yet
15:00:01<that_lurker>pabs: There is #demoscene on efnet as well though not nearly as active
15:00:15<pabs>yeah I'm not on that network :)
15:00:31<@arkiver>would be nice to archive yes
15:00:42<that_lurker>ircnet has one too
15:00:52<@arkiver>should we come up with one for hackint?
15:00:59<@arkiver>i'm guessing AB would be enough for most?
15:01:05<@arkiver>or #Y if i get that rolling
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15:02:31<that_lurker>they tend to be javascript heavy
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15:04:43<that_lurker>in efnet most are shared as codepens (example https://codepen.io/cantelope/full/bGPYYKE) though streamable links are shared as well sometimes (example: https://streamable.com/gi9ofj)
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15:10:41<c3manu>pabs: sounds like good idea. you could count me aboard (but probably irregularly ^^)
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15:11:11<c3manu>so the AT wiki is more for organising grabbing stuff, and not as sort of an index of where to find what once it's saved?
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15:14:02<pabs>c3manu: both IMO, thats certainly what I've been doing for Mailman/2 etc
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15:19:15<c3manu>pabs: oh, so you meant a wiki page, not a whole new wiki then? ^^
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15:19:32<@JAA>RHDN can't be fully archived with AB, but it's a good idea to run it there anyway.
15:19:54<@JAA>I've seen claims that the dump doesn't contain all downloads, and that's the key part AB can't get due to a captcha.
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15:20:01<pabs>c3manu: yeah :)
15:20:07<HiccupJul>Isn't the captcha removed now?
15:20:09<c3manu>pabs: gotcha :)
15:20:12<pabs>a new wiki would be way too much :)
15:20:12<HiccupJul>or is that only on some downloads
15:20:53<HiccupJul>ah, they have cloudflare now. whoops
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15:21:32<@JAA>Oh, indeed it is, nice.
15:21:42<c3manu>fyi: i've been having trouble archiving the romhacking forum post with the announcement. got instant 403s with several user agents. it's currently waiting for kings-cross to see whether it'll work there
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15:21:47<@JAA>It wasn't when I last looked into it around the time it started blowing up.
15:22:22<@JAA>Yeah, Buttflare might be an issue.
15:22:31<HiccupJul>but yeah they got rid of the simple captcha
15:22:33<@JAA>They had a custom captcha on downloads before.
15:22:43<HiccupJul>yeah
15:22:45<@JAA>Buttflare--
15:22:45<eggdrop>[karma] 'Buttflare' now has -37 karma!
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15:23:31<c3manu>feel free to "take over" the job, i haven't looked into it at all really :)
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15:24:44<HiccupJul>seems like only some downloads have cloudflare
15:24:56<HiccupJul>some are on amazonaws, and apparently don't
15:26:19<HiccupJul>no way atm to get archivebot to send captchas to people to fill them in yet i guess?
15:26:56<@JAA>I get Buttflared on the hacks list pagination already. :-|
15:27:20<HiccupJul>ah
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15:52:45<@JAA>Also, any ref that RHDN is actually shutting down? The link was the same announcement from a couple weeks ago, where they said things would stay online (legal issues permitting).
15:55:25<c3manu>JAA: 13:21:36 <HiccupJul> c3manu: https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=39405.0 https://x.com/romhackdoting/status/1820932740520312915
15:55:25<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/romhackdoting/status/1820932740520312915
15:55:45<c3manu>i think some contents (especially downloads i think) were depending on the good will of other parties hosting them
15:56:05<c3manu>> * Downloads and images will be available for as long as DarkSol, FCAndChill Calico will allow.
15:56:32<@JAA>> we will be shutting off the AWS S3 bucket on August 20th
15:56:34<@JAA>Ok
15:56:44<@JAA>In the screenshot on the tweet (ugh).
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16:03:58<murb> /win 66
16:04:01<murb>grr
16:04:07<@arkiver>JAA: will we need a project for romhacking.net ?
16:04:38<@JAA>arkiver: Don't think so, I downloaded it all easily with a single worker before. But Buttflare blocks everything this time.
16:04:41<@arkiver>i see a bit over 100k posts, maybe 10k topics, so maybe doable with a different solutions
16:05:02<@arkiver>did we attempt to contact them to relax cloudflare rules?
16:05:14<@arkiver>given that they give stuff to IA, i would think they are willing
16:05:15<@JAA>Not that I know of.
16:05:26<@arkiver>okey let me see
16:05:53<@arkiver>hmm they have some "contact staff" form on the forums
16:05:57<@arkiver>i'm never a big fan of those
16:06:11<@arkiver>not only on the forums
16:07:16<@JAA>There was a beautiful rant about this a little while ago.
16:07:29<@arkiver>those forms?
16:07:31<@arkiver>they're horrible
16:07:32<@JAA>https://adamjones.me/blog/dont-use-contact-forms/
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16:08:26<@arkiver>will be a fun read. i already agree with the starting paragraph
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16:39:57<@arkiver>i've emailed romhacking.net about relaxing cloudflare rules for archiving
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17:11:47<@arkiver>JAA: very nice article on the contact form problems
17:12:21<@arkiver>especially the examples on "Your contact form takes ages to fill out" were good (and really bad... :P )
17:12:50<@JAA>:-)
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17:54:15<nicolas17>I continue to wish for a way to archive large files with deduplication across multiple URLs...
17:54:30<nicolas17>afaik archivebot doesn't dedup
17:55:31<@JAA>Correct
17:55:52<@JAA>I do those cases with qwarc.
17:58:06<nicolas17>for example: https://github.com/littlebyteorg/appledb/blob/main/osFiles/macOS/24x%20-%2015.x/24A5320a.json#L185
17:58:13<nicolas17>those two URLs point at the same 13.4GB file
18:07:16<nicolas17>and I don't care how many petabytes of space archive.org has, storing that 13.4GB file twice would still bother me :P
18:51:18<Ryz>Steam to have additional or changed rules regarding how descriptions on game pages are written: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/4201376568915048836
18:51:53<Ryz>...Would wanna do archives of all the game pages just incase and to document the changes that will happen
18:52:04<Ryz>Alternatively could just call it a day and run all of it in ArchiveBot
18:52:10<Ryz>...Which includes all of the languages
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18:55:27<Ryz>...Yeah, I'm gonna boogie with it
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19:47:22<Ryz>...Awww, language changes are only through the cookie it appears :(
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20:12:36<Ryz>JAA or others, is there way to archive the other languages of Steam app pages?
20:19:35<Ryz>Hmm, having a feeling this change would remove links from something like this: https://store.steampowered.com/app/100400
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