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04:22:53<pabs>from elsewhere "The TWiT podcast network is closing their office recording studio due to rising costs and lowering revenue. They are going to an office-less model too."
04:23:10<pabs>might be worth looking at if someone has time
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04:45:44<thuban>gross, their rss feeds only go back like ten episodes
04:49:59<thuban>i can scrape asset urls from apple podcasts, but not tonight
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05:25:50<Specular>Was there any independent archiving effort for Abload.de? I see there's a wiki article about it but no mention of such. Only learned it was taken offline today and that retroactively all images on existing archive.org crawls became blank due to the exclusion.
05:27:12<Specular>(tbh not sure how such an effort would have even worked seeing as all images had custom filenames and archive.org has no search index for finding asset URLs)
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05:30:09<flashfire42|m>Domain filtered
05:33:40<Specular>flashfire42|m, hmm?
05:35:45<nulldata>pabs - Yeah it's been posted before, however, there was a question regarding it that hasn't been answered. A few months ago someone was trying to archive TWiT but supposedly IA told them to stop due to copyright, even though the license seems to permit.
05:41:57<nulldata>05/01/2024 10:16 PM <BenFranske> Does anyone have any information on what "RIghts issue" the Internet Archive has in making old copies of the twit.tv podcasts available? All I can get from them is "we don't comment on rights issues" even though these are all released under a CC license... I was working on archiving everything TWiT has published and
05:41:58<nulldata>got to about 7500 episodes
05:42:06<nulldata>The license https://twit.tv/about/license
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05:44:57<nulldata>It's possible it could have been a troll that contacted IA to claim copyright as there are a number of trolls that seem to surround TWiT. However it could have just as well been Leo being Leo.
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05:50:55<@OrIdow6>Doranwen: You may have said this before but thoughts on fanfiction.net? Seems like it's in an advanced state of administrative decay, see previously today\
05:51:06<@OrIdow6>Any non-AT coverage?
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06:07:25<yarrow>nulldata: I salute your effort! I was just looking into this myself
06:20:20<yarrow>It might be worth emailing Leo/TWiT to clear up the rights issue
06:22:53<yarrow>actually maybe it was BenFranske's effort I meant to salute
06:31:10<imer>but you cant just take back the license?
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06:36:48<yarrow>true, but I don't know to what extent Creative Commons licenses have been tested in court
06:42:10<Specular>It couldn't just be that IA wanted a reason to stop the mass uploading? As I remember a post by Jason Scott staffer on Reddit mentioning they didn't want to just be a mirror for Youtube (in the context of some users mass uploading entire channels).
06:43:08<c3manu>yarrow: i feel trying to email them could also easily backfire.
06:43:43<yarrow>Well, if the IA is rejecting uploads, can it get any worse?
06:45:13<c3manu>Specular: i don't think that's the case with Twit. like 5000 hours of my favourite streamers' VODs in HD are the problem. that's orders of magnitude above audio files
06:45:57<Specular>ah, wasn't sure if they were the podcast vids or audio
06:45:58<c3manu>which, in addition, seem to be actively threatened to disappear
06:46:36<c3manu>ah, good point. i don't actually now if they have video recordings as well. only know them from actual podcast (meaning audio files downloaded via RSS feeds :))
06:46:47<yarrow>they have video too
06:47:39<yarrow>601 episodes here, 11 years' worth: https://www.youtube.com/ThisWeekinTech
06:47:59<yarrow>plus they have many shows
06:48:30<c3manu>yeah right. i was just checking democracy now, for which they don't seem to upload full episodes in video
06:48:40<c3manu>still a good amount though
06:49:24<c3manu>i take my answer back then. i could imagine they have different standards for "just in case" VOD backups and threatened content, but i don't actually know
06:50:20<Flashfire42>I think the issues were that people were just using tubeup on any random bullshit and also giant amounts
06:50:45<c3manu>Flashfire42: that's what it sounded like in the talk i heard it from
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06:59:05<c3manu>found the timestamp: https://youtu.be/hfp731nb2-s?feature=shared&t=3605
07:01:12<yarrow>If someone contacts Leo about the TWiT stuff and he says "fuck off", then we're just back where we started (where we are now). If he gives his blessing, then maybe the IA will let the audio be archived.
07:04:04<yarrow>There is also this Reddit post from Jason on the same topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/sq6wbq/please_do_not_mirror_youtube_on_the_internet/
07:11:13<yarrow>People are a bit out of whack when it comes to archiving video vs. audio. E.g., people will archive a YouTube channel of a podcast where it's just still image videos of the podcast but NOT archive the audio of the podcast.
07:16:49<@OrIdow6>Wonder if you could do "parity" on videos
07:16:50<c3manu>all i see of reddit these days is "whoa there, partner" and then i usually just close it (:
07:17:48<@OrIdow6>Where you take some set of, say, 10 videos, assume that at most one is going to be deleted/messed up/whatever, and make a parity copy that combined with the rest can restore it
07:17:59<@OrIdow6>But in a way that's resistant to reencoding rather than bitwise
07:20:04<yarrow>In the video c3manu linked, Jason said IA is mirror basically every podcast. I can only guess this refers to arkiver ingesting RSS feeds into the Wayback Machine?
07:20:16<yarrow>*mirroring
07:21:23<Specular>Resistant to transcoding would I guess need some kind of visual hash. Though for strict file-based parity PAR2 format is something usable.
07:26:04<@OrIdow6>I don't think strict file continuity can be expected (tho there are certainly others who have more experience with Youtube than I do on this)
07:26:07<@OrIdow6>Binary
07:37:12<c3manu>yarrow: there's probably plenty of people uploading podcasts to the internet archive
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07:53:11<yarrow>I've uploaded about 160 so far, all completely manually, and so far I've only found a handful that were already on there when I checked
07:54:02<yarrow>People who are really obsessed with amateur digital archiving and data hoarding don't seem to be podcast superfans and podcast superfans generally don't know anything about amateur digital archiving
07:56:48<Specular>tbf there's not always a crossover of (local) hoarding and public archiving
08:00:32<Specular>would also be nice if IA had a way to hide an uploader's email publicly, for privacy
08:10:17<murb>Specular: would probably make more work in dealing with abuse.
08:11:51<Specular>not on IA's end I meant just so it's not visible to website visitors (unless I'm missing some abuse scenario?)
08:13:55<Specular>though in the current implementation it's hard coded in the meta file so wouldn't really be some switch that could be retroactively changed without destructive edits
08:34:47<@OrIdow6>I like being able to contact the person if necessary
08:35:02<@OrIdow6>Also prevents account name changes from causing confusion
08:39:08<c3manu>Specular: you're using your private email address for accounts like that? :)
08:40:21<c3manu>yarrow: well, podcasts can be saved on two ends. there's IA directly, and there's the WBM. and i know ther URLs project (#//) is fetching a good bunch of feeds regularly
08:40:38<c3manu>it can also make sense to keep things locally and only upload them once they disappear from the web
08:43:31<yarrow>Nobody seems to be doing that, either. The podcasts just disappear and no one steps up to share them or upload them to archive.org
08:44:20<yarrow>It's weird how obsessed people are with preserving anime, video games, live music, etc. There is an odd vacuum of enthusiasm or effort for podcasts, as far as I have been able to see
08:45:18<yarrow>The Wayback Machine sucking down RSS feeds + mp3s is good for strict archiving but absolutely terrible for access
08:46:22<fireonlive>(in either case, IA should make it abundantly clear, imo)
08:47:27<Harzilein><yarrow> There is also this Reddit post from Jason on the same topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/sq6wbq/please_do_not_mirror_youtube_on_the_internet/
08:48:19Harzilein has been having a friendly "get a reddit account to cleanse your ip" message for the last month when accessing (old-)reddit with lynx through his dedicated hetzner server :/
08:50:27<yarrow>Here's a mirror of that Reddit thread if you can't access Reddit: https://archive.ph/00pWP
08:50:45<yarrow>fireonlive: make what clear?
08:51:05<fireonlive>if you upload to IA your email will be published
08:51:16<fireonlive>(so use an email you don't mind being such)
08:51:40<Harzilein>yarrow: already checked through wayback machine were both the reddit link and the oldreddit variant are already present. funny enough availability api didn't find the archived version, had to go through a searx instance and click "cached".
08:51:48<Specular>I think the issue is some aren't aware of this to begin with (at least with some I've spoken with)
08:52:26<yarrow>oh yeah, IA should totally warn you before you upload anything that you're about to doxx your email
08:52:31<fireonlive>indeed
08:53:04<yarrow>99% of people who upload probably aren't aware and it's insane there's no warning
08:53:23<yarrow>dunno if anyone knows anyone at IA who could fix that
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09:35:32<c3manu>probably want to ask in #internetarchive then
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12:39:18<kpcyrd>where can I look up the email?
12:39:35<kpcyrd>also, does it update on my old uploads if I change the email on my account later?
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12:49:00<c3manu>kpcyrd: when you open an item an click "SHOW ALL" on the right, you can see it in the _meta.xml
12:49:13<c3manu>or when you edit an item you uploaded, you see it in the "uploader" field
12:49:26<c3manu>it does not seem like you can edit it
12:49:51<kpcyrd>c3manu: thanks!
12:50:04<kpcyrd>and "oh no /o\"
12:50:18<kpcyrd>I don't think that flies in EU
12:53:11<@JAA>If you change it, you have to email info@ to get it fixed on previously uploaded items IIRC.
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15:59:32<kpcyrd>I meant to do something else today, but instead I documented the "leaks your email" with an osint module that goes through archive.org uploads and records every email of every upload 🤷
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16:02:03<kpcyrd>(pacman -S sn0int || brew install sn0int) && sn0int pkg install kpcyrd/archive-org && sn0int add account archive.org some_user_name && sn0int run kpcyrd/archive-org && sn0int select emails
16:02:37<kpcyrd>archiving the archiver archive
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18:34:10<Vokun>Is telegram infinite? It's been >300M todo for like half a year
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19:02:54<c3manu>probably not, but it doesn't stand still either :)
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21:06:17<BornOn420>@Vokun definitely finite, but so are our resources
21:07:03<BornOn420>And it's been over 100M for half a year, the > 300M is like 6 weeks?
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22:39:14<katia>Trump shot, perhaps worth archiving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C2RyORyX0U and related live tv coverage things? cc fireonlive that_lurker
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22:55:11<fireonlive>oh what
22:55:27<fireonlive>yeah
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23:02:25<BornOn420>Initially I thought trump had shot someone
23:02:38<fireonlive>https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-rally-shooting-live-updates.html
23:03:44<BornOn420>that's serious
23:04:48<that_lurker>saving chat and video, but a second grab is good always :-P
23:09:45<katia>that_lurker++
23:09:45<eggdrop>[karma] 'that_lurker' now has 13 karma!
23:09:47<katia><3
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23:18:58<fireonlive>i've already seen a meme about it
23:21:13<that_lurker>how could you miss meme?
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