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00:29:44<fireonlive>dave's garage? was the one caught selling scam software by the FCC right? fined for doing so etc? if that's him we should probably throw his stuff down the tube etc
00:30:09<fireonlive>not that his youtube is related to the scamming people stuff but yeah
00:30:30<fireonlive>(can't remember if it was him or another person, though)
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00:42:14<nulldata>fireonlive - which conversation are you responding to? lol The scam software and FTC fine thing was back in 2006.
00:42:34<fireonlive>oh
00:42:43<fireonlive>to be fair, i was quite out of it last night
00:42:43<fireonlive>:D
00:42:58<fireonlive>a faint memory popped up of man did bad thing
00:43:16<fireonlive>that we talked about here
00:43:20<fireonlive>somewhere..
00:43:39<fireonlive>but yeah that long ago nvm
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01:29:19<Emitewiki>Hey! I found this site that has a ton of magazines with easy to use PDF readers. https://issuu.com/activemediapublishinggroup/4
01:29:46<Emitewiki>They seem to be all officially released for free viewing on the site by the official publisher.
01:30:12<Emitewiki>It got me thinking: Is there any way for us to archive this sort of thing, in a way where we could keep the PDF readers intact?
01:34:54<@JAA>We had a partial project for Issuu before when they limited free accounts. → #wetakeissuu
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01:51:57<Emitewiki>Am I reading it right that it looks like the account limit should only affect people UPLOADING to Issu, but not downloading/accessing from it?
01:54:33<@JAA>→ #wetakeissuu
01:59:03<Emitewiki>Sorry 😅
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04:20:08<@JAA>Gardeners' World is still on track. :-)
04:20:35<@JAA>NB, as usual, only grabbing topic pages, not media. AB will have grabbed some of those, and they might survive a bit longer on the CDN.
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04:36:34<fireonlive>:)
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04:48:58<@JAA>Each page of Gardeners' World is 200+ kB because they include a bunch of SVGs inline.
04:49:58<@JAA>Yes, even the 404s.
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04:52:51<fireonlive>-_-
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11:36:09<IDK>Hi, has anything been discussed about roblox comments?
11:36:18<IDK>Context: (https://devforum.roblox.com/t/deprecating-comments-for-marketplace-items/2890881)
11:42:06<IDK>testingabc: can you achieve even higher rates by switching between their PoPs?
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12:22:17<IDK>Someone could try to request the comment API through all of those IP address at random, it **may** confuse the system and let you request more without timing out https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4gmXEXv6/roblox-ip.txt
12:23:18<IDK>When I tried switching between some datacenters reset the limit and some doesnt
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13:55:16<Mannie>atlasvpn shuts down on april 24: https://atlasvpn.com/blog/announcement
13:56:31<Mannie>gigaset smart home stops with service on 29 march https://www.gigaset.com/be_nl/cms/smart-home-overzicht.html
13:57:59<Mannie>predaid sim provider ortel mobile will be shut down on the first of july https://ortel.nl/nl/over-ortel/
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16:13:10<fireonlive>IDK: they're gone now, but did mention .4 was CHI and .8 was ASH and you can achieve 20 requests per min instead of 10 by switching between them
16:34:01<@JAA>It looks like my Gardeners' World grab finished in time.
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16:56:00<IDK>fireonlive: "they are gone now"??
16:56:55<IDK>also from what I researched .4 and .8 doesnt always go to ASH, sometimes .8 goes to CHI3 which still resets the ratelimiting
16:57:01<IDK>depends on the PoP you are on
16:57:05<@JAA>The person who shared the info is gone now.
16:57:07<immibis>I figured that atlas nord and surfshark were all different branches of the same company anyway - what's that thing where you sell lots of different brands but they're all just you
16:57:10<IDK>oh
16:58:00<immibis>shutting down vpns and cell providers isn't really an archiving issue, all their data is ephemeral...
16:58:32<thecommentarchiver>fireonlive Still here :)
16:58:42<IDK>also this will be a REALLY fun project if we are going to do it
16:58:45<IDK>look at the api
16:58:54<IDK>https://www.roblox.com/comments/get-json?assetId=15709965148&startindex=0&thumbnailWidth=100&thumbnailHeight=100&thumbnailFormat=PNG&cachebuster=4134
16:59:05<IDK>cachebuster=4134
16:59:58<IDK>everytime you click load more a new "cachebuster" number get generated, so there is a 1/9999 chance that wayback machine will display it
17:00:15<IDK>but api response still worth archiving
17:00:24<immibis>this is why wbm needs pattern rewrites
17:01:59<IDK>or we theoretically could just assume cachebuster=1-9999 is all the same reponse and we just grab one and submit all 1-9999, but we are probably not supposed to do that
17:04:57<thecommentarchiver>IDK I have never experienced ASH load balancers directing to CHI servers. Weird.
17:05:30<IDK>probably chrome host caching or caching in general
17:05:35<thecommentarchiver>Likely
17:05:44<IDK>also should we "realive" #robloxd
17:05:58<IDK>for the comment archive thing
17:07:40<fireonlive>thecommentarchiver: sneaky!
17:07:42<fireonlive>:)
17:08:07<fireonlive>hmm does eggdrop handle that
17:08:12<fireonlive>!seen testingabc
17:08:13<eggdrop>[seen] testingabc (~testingab@185.107.56.136) was last seen quitting from #archiveteam-ot 14 hours 28 minutes 46 seconds ago (2024-03-27T02:39:26Z), stating "Client Quit"
17:08:25<fireonlive>ah not if quit
17:09:33<IDK>anyways, there are also .3, which is also CHI and doesnt seem to reset the rate limit
17:10:08<thecommentarchiver>There's only CHI and ASH accessible. If I remember correctly, .7 is also ASH.
17:11:43<IDK>.7 doesnt really work at least on some endpoints
17:11:45<IDK>Pinging 128.116.115.7 with 32 bytes of data:
17:11:45<IDK>Request timed out.
17:12:24<IDK>JAA: can you even force the warrior to use a specific IP address or cycle through IP addresses at random
17:13:09<thecommentarchiver>.9 will always return maintenance since that's it's only job
17:13:14<@JAA>I don't recall whether wget-at has a hook for that.
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17:19:36<nstrom|m>It has host file support, so could probably use that
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17:23:31<IDK>yep so if we are going to do it, we can just do add 10 to startindex=0 until no more comment
17:24:14<IDK>I dont think bashing it repeatedly from different endpoint will prolong the ratelimiting
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17:30:55<thecommentarchiver>Someone told me there's an undocumented API that returns an "enableComments" field. It also has a ratelimit but you can request info for multiple assets at once. It could be used to save requests for the comments API.
17:31:32<thecommentarchiver>https://develop.roblox.com/v1/assets?assetIds=1818,1000000,48474313
17:31:47<thecommentarchiver>Requires you to be authenticated to use it.
17:32:12<IDK>pretty sure need to be authenticated on the account that u own the item
17:33:05<thecommentarchiver>No, you need to be authenticated to use the API. You don't need to own the item for the API to return the asset info.
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17:34:24<thecommentarchiver>Example API response:
17:34:25<thecommentarchiver>{
17:34:25<thecommentarchiver> "data": [
17:34:26<thecommentarchiver>  {
17:34:26<thecommentarchiver>   "id": 1818,
17:34:27<thecommentarchiver>   "type": "Place",
17:34:27<thecommentarchiver>   "typeId": 9,
17:34:28<thecommentarchiver>   "name": "Classic: Crossroads",
17:34:28<thecommentarchiver>   "description": "The classic ROBLOX level is back!",
17:34:29<thecommentarchiver>   "creator": {
17:34:29<thecommentarchiver>    "type": "User",
17:34:30<thecommentarchiver>    "typeId": 1,
17:34:30<thecommentarchiver>    "targetId": 1
17:34:31<thecommentarchiver>   },
17:34:31<thecommentarchiver>   "genres": [
17:34:32<thecommentarchiver>    "Ninja"
17:34:32<thecommentarchiver>   ],
17:34:33<thecommentarchiver>   "created": "2007-05-01T01:07:04.78Z",
17:36:01<thecommentarchiver>The comments API will only return comments if "enableComments" is set to true it seems. This can be used to reduce the number of redundant requests made to the comments API.
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17:40:34<Dango360>how many can you fit in the assetIds parameter before it fails?
17:40:59<thecommentarchiver>I have yet to check that
17:41:58<IDK>tbh I dont know if we *have* to use the provided API or we can do it in an alternative way since I have never seen a project where we sent request authenticated
17:42:37<Dango360>just checked, seems to be 50 ids
17:43:18<thecommentarchiver>The provided API could be used to reduce the number of redundant requests made using the comments API to assets that have comments disabled
17:43:37<IDK>maybe yea
17:44:16<h2ibot>FireonLive edited Mastodon (-2, fix ref url): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51946&oldid=51711
17:44:21<IDK>but I wonder where are we going to actually get the ID from
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17:45:02<thecommentarchiver>It isn't required but the comments API only really allows 20 requests per minute and many Roblox assets either have comments disabled or do not support comments (such as Places)
17:45:39<IDK>yh but I wonder is there a more efficient way to find items
17:45:49<IDK>id bruteforcing is out of question here
17:46:24<IDK>are we going into random users inventory to get whatever shirts and pants they bought, or are we going on marketplace and only do UGC, or both
17:47:43<thecommentarchiver>There really isn't a more efficient way of finding comments enabled assets other than ID bruteforcing. Getting random user's inventories will miss many assets, such as off-sale items (ID 770, 771, etc.)
17:48:22<IDK>yh ID bruteforcing isnt happening, roblox IDs arent that "bruteforce friendly"
17:49:09<IDK>i think going into random inventory and grab whatever is on that 25 page catalog might be the only way
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17:50:41<IDK>roblox IDs have massive gaps
17:51:06<thecommentarchiver>Not quite. There's only two massive gaps from 2006 & 2007. That's about it.
17:51:10<Dango360>we could let people send in asset ids that they want archived
17:51:49<Dango360>a bit like how blogger or imgur was done
17:52:22<IDK>thecommentarchiver: but yeah not all of them are clothing, most of them are probably starter places that have 0 visits and no comments
17:53:51<IDK>btw, who is even going to code all of this
17:54:37<katia>they who ask it, code it.
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17:55:02<thecommentarchiver>0-769 do not exist and ~59000 to 999999 do not exist. Everything else exists.
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17:56:46<@arkiver>up to which ID does it go?
17:56:50<@arkiver>when is the deadline?
17:57:03<IDK>april 9th, but the API ratelimiting is hell
17:57:19<IDK>10 request per minute max, bumped to 20 if you switch between 2 endpoints
17:58:36<Dango360>ok so all games and roblox-owned items had their comments removed in 2016 (https://roblox.fandom.com/wiki/Comments); does anyone have an example of a place/roblox item that kept their comments intact?
17:58:55<IDK>no, they are all removed
17:59:03<IDK>arkiver: bruteforcing doesnt really work, you will probably have to go into people's inventory to find clothing
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17:59:22<IDK>there is too much IDs for 404 and places, basically unbruteforable
18:00:37<thecommentarchiver>Dango360 ID 770 is an example
18:00:51<@arkiver>so up to which ID?
18:01:03<thuban>arkiver: probing
18:01:29<IDK>arkiver: 12014070386 is a valid shirt ID I just found
18:01:33<IDK>so basically comically large
18:02:44<Dango360>thecommentarchiver: technically, but i think it was referring to all assets on @Roblox (account id 1) being deleted. @Toolbox wasn't affected by it
18:03:03<@arkiver>12 billion would be possible, but if they have truly horrible rate limiting it will be difficult
18:03:44<IDK>u can use the inventory API to get someone's shirts/tshirt/pants for up to 100 items
18:03:49<IDK>for example https://inventory.roblox.com/v2/users/343943294/inventory/2?cursor=&limit=100&sortOrder=Desc
18:04:00<IDK>idk how cursor works but that allows you to view more
18:04:59<IDK>catalog API can probably show if comments are enabled or not
18:05:00<Dango360>btw badges still have their comments from before it was hidden from the website (2018) https://www.roblox.com/comments/get-json?assetId=14417332&startindex=7510
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18:08:37<@JAA>Let's move this Roblox discussion to the Roblox channel: #robloxd
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18:45:31<thuban>< immibis> I figured that atlas nord and surfshark were all different branches of the same company anyway - what's that thing where you sell lots of different brands but they're all just you
18:45:33<thuban>^ white-labeling
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18:59:16<nicolas17>https://data.nicolas17.xyz/samsung-grab/ samsung published a handful new files
18:59:23<nicolas17>imer: any news about that corrupted zip?
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19:08:04<magmaus3>btw, has anyone done a backup of downloads on htcdev? (<https://www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads>)
19:09:34<imer>nicolas17: nope.
19:09:49<imer>still waiting for a follow up
19:17:14<nicolas17>last file in samsung-grab is a 4.3GB chonker
19:19:21<icedice><thuban> < immibis> I figured that atlas nord and surfshark were all different branches of the same company anyway - what's that thing where you sell lots of different brands but they're all just you
19:19:29<icedice>They're run by the same Lithuanians
19:21:42<icedice>Time4VPS which is probably the biggest VPS provider in Lithuania has said to not host VPNs there if you want privacy, it's only suitable for bypassing geo-blocks
19:22:22<icedice>So I wonder if the Lithuanian government has started making demands from NordVPN and Surfshark yet
19:22:39<immibis>any VPN can anonymise you to a website, just not to the government
19:22:54<immibis>if you find yourself wanting to be anonymous to websites then use a VPN
19:25:34<Darken>Anyone know if there's a way to change my name on here while keeping the same account?
19:28:51<@JAA>Darken: /msg NickServ HELP GROUP + /msg NickServ HELP SET ACCOUNTNAME
19:31:30<Darken>Trying to change my name to JaffaCakes118 but it says Nick JaffaCakes118 is not registered
19:32:04<@JAA>Yes, as expected.
19:32:12<@JAA>That's why I pointed at GROUP first.
19:32:14<steering>/nick JaffaCakes118 ; /ns group ; /ns set accountname JaffaCakes118
19:32:40<Darken>a /msg NickServ nick
19:32:51<Darken>oops
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19:33:04<JaffaCakes118> /ns group
19:33:28<JaffaCakes118>Ah done ty
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19:35:31<JaffaCakes118>Thanks guys
19:39:46<fireonlive>also `/msg hostserv take hackint/user/$account` to cloak your IP/host
19:39:51<fireonlive>(don't change $account)
19:40:40<fireonlive>JaffaCakes118: ^
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19:52:37<JaffaCakes118>fireonlive thank you!
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19:54:21<fireonlive>!tell JaffaCakes118 welcome! :3
19:54:21<eggdrop>[tell] ok, I'll tell JaffaCakes118 when they join next
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19:54:27<eggdrop>[tell] JaffaCakes118: [2024-03-27T19:54:21Z] <fireonlive> welcome! :3
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19:55:19<Darken>Is there anyway I can login using my new username instead of my old one?
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19:59:55<fireonlive>looks like you got the nick but not logged in
20:00:15<fireonlive>you can also set the 'server password' to JaffaCakes118:passwordhere if your client doesn't support sasl
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20:01:22<JaffaCakes118>It says
20:01:22<JaffaCakes118>[NOTICE] This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
20:01:23<JaffaCakes118>[NOTICE] You are now identified for JaffaCakes118.
20:01:23<JaffaCakes118>When I log in
20:02:05<@JAA>That's how it works when you don't use SASL.
20:02:37<JaffaCakes118>I am though
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20:02:54<JaffaCakes118>I'm trying through hexchat and webirc.hackint.org
20:03:01<@JAA>No, you won't get that notice when you use SASL.
20:03:07<JaffaCakes118>ooh I see
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20:03:34<@JAA>And I'm pretty sure the webchat doesn't support SASL.
20:03:43<h2ibot>FireonLive edited Current Projects (+120, add Tor URLs skeleton): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51947&oldid=51942
20:03:48<JaffaCakes118>It asks for a username and password, guessing that isn't SASL
20:03:51<steering>yeah you do
20:03:59<steering>well, i'm using certfp not sasl, but
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20:06:08<steering>dunno how the webchat identifies, but it's broken anyway cuz it tries to identify you to whatever nickname you *get* instead of whatever nickname you *choose*
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20:07:11<JaffaCakes118>Yeah SASL fails when I try to login with my name and password on the webchat but works fine in hexchat
20:08:46<fireonlive>also webchat disconnects you randomly
20:12:44<JaffaCakes118>Yeah I noticed that, was very annoying
20:12:52<JaffaCakes118>Does it say I'm currently signed in now?
20:12:59<JaffaCakes118>With sasl
20:13:14<steering>we cant tell how you signed in but you are signed in
20:13:42<JaffaCakes118>Ok good
20:13:54<JaffaCakes118>Guess I just can't use the webchat anymore lol
20:14:26<fireonlive>for the best
20:14:28<@JAA>The web client is mostly useful for random people to drop by once. It's not really suitable for long-term use.
20:17:23<JaffaCakes118>Yeah I plan on staying, been here for a bit now under the name Darken, thought I might as well change my name to the name I use on the tracker leaderboards
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20:58:01<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl>I think webchat used to do SASL (at least I think that's what that means), but it recently stopped working at the same time the UI changed, so I'm guessing an update broke it or something.
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22:51:28<icedice><immibis> any VPN can anonymise you to a website, just not to the government
22:51:32<icedice>Depends on the government
22:51:38<icedice>And which part of it
22:53:50<icedice>If it's the sheriff's office in bumfuck nowhere, Mississippi or some underfunded developing country it might be doable, assuming you have some VPN users to blend in with or are not local
22:54:04<@JAA>This sounds like a discussion for -ot.
22:54:14<icedice>If it's the N S A, then yeah, it's not going to work
22:54:19<icedice>I'm done
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23:15:10<Gooshka>Looks like there is another web hosting, 4nmv.ru; example of website: https://books.4nmv.ru/ , other I saw via google: https://www.google.com/search?q=site:4nmv.ru
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23:57:49<nicolas17>nstrom|m: did that 4GB samsung beast finish downloading?
23:59:36<nstrom|m>lemme check

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