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00:45:03<h2ibot>Pedrosso edited Noob.hu (-8, Site finished closing): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51673&oldid=48145
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02:36:07<Ryz>Pedrosso, nice, regarding https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51660&oldid=51657 - there is the other iffy thing that there is user made content produced in games on Steam that doesn't use the Steam Workshop; I do recall one game that had a ton of levels, but because the server shut down, all those usermade levels are gone :C
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03:08:32<h2ibot>Pokechu22 edited Jira (+7150, /* Status */ convert to table): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51674&oldid=51672
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06:17:34<rooter>I just came across this ancient free web host. no AT project for it exists. the page i found is archived on IA but idk how extensive the archival is. https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/RootsWeb https://support.rootsweb.com/s/article/Retiring-and-Migrating-Portions-of-RootsWeb
06:17:34<rooter>https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~familiesacrosstime/family/occupations.htm
06:25:05<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited The WARC Ecosystem (+119, /* Tools */ ArchiveWeb.page has fatal flaws): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51675&oldid=51591
06:25:17<@JAA>... as expected
06:25:21<fireonlive>yeah...
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06:25:40<@JAA>rooter: Hmm, I'm pretty sure we did some RootsWeb stuff before.
06:25:43<fireonlive>JAA: is like making a archivebot warc.gz into a warc.zst as simple as like gunzip -> zstd?
06:25:44<@JAA>...
06:25:48<fireonlive>damn
06:25:50<fireonlive>that timing
06:26:02<fireonlive>(for personal use that is)
06:26:11<fireonlive>archivebot's labryinth is another thing
06:26:23<@JAA>fireonlive: No, WARCs need to be compressed per record to provide random access.
06:26:28<fireonlive>ahh ok
06:26:35fireonlive does not touch
06:26:52<@JAA>Technically, a .warc.gz that is compressed whole rather than per record is valid per the spec, sadly.
06:26:57<@JAA>Not a .warc.zst though.
06:27:05<fireonlive>>_<
06:27:13<fireonlive>got you :)
06:27:38fireonlive jumps into the fatal flaws :3
06:27:44<@JAA>.warc.gz predates our messing with this and defining standards. :-P
06:27:52<fireonlive>ah, the chromebot thing
06:28:04<fireonlive>ah :P
06:28:29<@JAA>Yeah, crocoite had the same fundamental problem. And also did some other awful things.
06:28:35<fireonlive>the AT stresstest
06:29:01<@JAA>Bad enough that the WARCs were entirely pulled from the WBM.
06:29:15<fireonlive>oh wow
06:29:23<fireonlive>forgot/missed that bit
06:30:14<fireonlive>sadly ArchiveWeb.page shall soldier on as is 🥲
06:30:37<fireonlive>'we make bad archives, PRs welcome'
06:31:37<@JAA>Yeah, ignoring the fact that their entire approach cannot work.
06:32:39<fireonlive>yeah... 😬
06:33:12<fireonlive>i guess accepting you need to start at 0 is something in of itself
06:33:43<fireonlive>but ya know, you're supposed to be archivists not fingerpainters
06:35:06<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Deathwatch (+286, /* 2024 */ Add Anon.cafe and Oldschooldaw.com): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51676&oldid=51669
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06:47:08<h2ibot>Monika edited URLs (+150, Add info about access restriction): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51677&oldid=51462
06:52:50<monika>JAA: should we have a field in the infobox about access-restricted collections?
06:54:10<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Deathwatch (+389, /* 2024 */ Datetimeify): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51678&oldid=51676
06:55:26<@JAA>monika: Not sure a separate field makes sense, but we could add it to the data row.
06:56:05<monika>yeah i didn't know what it was called lol
06:56:11<monika>not familiar with mediawiki at all
06:57:23<@JAA>Right, so the infobox is a template with a bunch of fields which gets rendered into those rows (and also causes some category additions etc.). We *could* add a new field to the template and make that produce an extra row or a change to the existing 'data' row, just not sure that's worth the effort.
06:58:30fireonlive suggests lock emoji, if implemented
06:59:49<fireonlive>oh earlier i was looking up a imgur thing that had died (surprisingly not porn), and it had exactly two captures: #// and #imgone
06:59:52<fireonlive>grats AT
07:03:49<@JAA>:-)
07:10:38<fireonlive>:)
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07:40:35<Pedrosso>Ryz: D; You're right, the games will certainly need more investigating rather than solely the workshop
07:41:15<Ryz>Yeah, that be the much more difficult part, since it would likely vary game by game :C
07:42:14<Pedrosso>Mhm. Also, have the free games been saved?
07:44:25<Ryz>I don't exactly know what you mean oo;
07:44:42<Pedrosso>like the game files of the free games
07:45:02<Pedrosso>(Would there be any problems with having saved those, considering they're free?)
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07:47:41<Ryz>I don't exactly know how that would be possible to save Steam games like that
07:48:12<Pedrosso>Hm? Why?
07:48:14<Ryz>I would also like to figure out if we can save itch.io games, or games in other video gaming portals and such~
07:48:28<Pedrosso>oh, yes
07:49:23<Ryz>I'm not deep into the technical details on how stuff goes, I more or less heavily specialize in finding stuff to archive, and helping existing jobs finish faster in ArchiveBot
07:49:52<Pedrosso>Which is a great specialization
07:49:53<Ryz>And occasionally poke people in status updates on various projects in Archive Team
07:53:39<Ryz>Yeah, I find that more and more that websites and internet content tends to disappear faster than what you would assume, since it's ephemeral and such
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08:23:48<Pedrosso>I mean https://tracker.archiveteam.org/how-to-help/warrior-logo.png is a pretty good representation of what goes on here
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15:40:17<aquaaaa>Hi, I'm currently trying to save a game forum that will be deleted in couple of months (forum.worldoftanks.eu) using ArchiveBot on a Wayback Machine (archive.org/details/archivebot). The problem I'm facing is that I don't have much of an idea of what I'm doing, I've been told that I can try asking there. Can someone guide me through or maybe there’s some kind of guide or documentation on how to use the bot, I couldn’t f
15:40:17<aquaaaa>ind any useful information myself, you guys are my only hope
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15:46:19<katia>aquaaaa, /join #archivebot and ask there maybe
15:47:34<aquaaaa>oh sorry, sure i'll ask there
15:52:36<DigitalDragons>oh, I think that one was being waited on until after the read-only date?
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17:17:05<@JAA>Pedrosso: I don't think Steam publicly exposes the game data, even for free games. Might be wrong though.
17:17:37<@JAA>Yeah, we can safe the World of Tanks forums once it's read-only in two weeks.
17:17:40<@JAA>save*
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17:31:20<@JAA>Looks like they employ a (custom?) JS challenge. It'll need something custom.
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18:53:32<Pedrosso>Why does https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveBot/Educational_institutions not show items split up into groups? Like per country
18:53:56<Pedrosso>The original list does have a long unsorted list but it has some groups
18:54:35<@JAA>It does now, but it didn't when the bot still existed.
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18:54:56<Pedrosso>Ahh. What happened to the bot?
18:55:14<@JAA>It fell off a cliff or something.
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18:56:03<Pedrosso>So the whole "Do not edit this table, it is automatically updated by bot. There is a raw list of URLs that you can edit." is just wrong now?
18:56:32<@JAA>The 'is automatically updated' bit, yes.
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18:59:50<Pedrosso>So "Do not edit this table" is still accurate?
19:01:08<@JAA>Yes
19:02:03<@JAA>The plan is to eventually get rid of the tables, move the lists to appropriate places, and have an external thing that directly integrates with up-to-date AB data. Because a bot updating a wiki page is always going to be fiddly and annoying.
19:12:45<h2ibot>Yzqzss uploaded File:Archiveteamsmall.png (Lossless resize): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=File%3AArchiveteamsmall.png
19:12:46<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist changed the user rights of User:Yzqzss
19:17:18<fireonlive>mediawiki tables: one of those things they torture you with in hell
19:17:29<fireonlive>see also: markdown tables
19:17:51<@JAA>HTML tables aren't exactly wonderful either, but yeah.
19:18:05<fireonlive>ye
19:18:21<fireonlive><csv> element when? :3
19:18:40<@JAA>But which CSV? ;-)
19:18:58<fireonlive>welp
19:19:01<fireonlive>:p
19:19:20<@JAA>Actually, it'd be an opportunity to make a formal specification for CSV.
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21:08:12<h2ibot>Pokechu22 edited Jira (+871, /* Status */ update list): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51680&oldid=51674
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22:53:19<TheTechRobo>There are multiple versions of CSV?
22:53:29<TheTechRobo>Whatever happened to "a bunch of values separated by commas"?
22:54:07<pokechu22>TheTechRobo: values containing commas happened :)
22:54:34<h2ibot>Pokechu22 edited Jira (+423, /* Status */ https://issues.asterisk.org/): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51681&oldid=51680
22:54:53<nicolas17>what if a value has a comma? surround with quotes? how do you escape quotes? how do you escape the escape character?
22:55:45<nicolas17>the answers to those questions are highly inconsistent on different implementations
22:56:46<@JAA>Or values with line breaks.
22:57:16<TheTechRobo>Ahh, that makes sense
22:58:18<TheTechRobo>See, most of the CSVs I've used weren't sanitised at all. They were a pain to use.
22:58:19<TheTechRobo>:P
23:00:35<h2ibot>Pedrosso edited ArchiveBot/Educational institutions/list (+1282, Moved unsorted .se sites to Sweden category): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=51682&oldid=51044
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