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00:44:23<pabs>https://mastodon.social/@miraheze/110506683712194935
00:44:46<pabs>(wiki hoster at risk, discussed on #wikiteam)
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00:58:57<fireonlive|s>does wikiteam <> archiveteam?
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01:01:55<pokechu22>wikiteam is an archiveteam project that happens to have team in the name for some reason... at least to my understanding
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01:09:03<fireonlive>ah ok :) it was in a separate GitHub org so was a little confused
01:09:32<fireonlive>(https://github.com/WikiTeam vs https://github.com/ArchiveTeam)
01:10:25<fireonlive>neat pic tho: https://github.com/WikiTeam/wikiteam#this-use-of-github-is-not-an-endorsement
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04:58:17<pcr>oops forgot that wbm exclusions were two wiki pages, when a mod gets to it can they reject that change?
05:37:49<manu|m>The invidious codebase is probably archived already, isn't it? Looks like the project might be somewhat endangered now: https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/issues/3872
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07:48:05<manu|m>perfect :)
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11:10:45<h2ibot>Rewby edited Reddit (+542): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49887&oldid=49881
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11:37:45<fermuch>hello!
11:39:44<fermuch>JAA on the #archiveteam you've pointed me to the warrior-dockerfile image. Is it this one? https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/warrior-dockerfile
11:40:01<fermuch>so I should use atdr.meo.ws/archiveteam/warrior-dockerfile right?
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11:43:26<@JAA>fermuch: That's the one if you want the 'set it up once and then forget it even exists' thing, yes. The project images let you instead run multiple projects at once, higher concurrencies (if the target site allows it), and less overhead, at the cost of manual management as new projects launch etc.
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11:45:51<fermuch>Got it. Thanks. Until I understand more about the project I'll run it on auto mode.
11:45:59<fermuch>Thanks for the help
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14:45:27<@JAA>Stack Exchange has officially discontinued its dumps onto IA: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389922/june-2023-data-dump-is-missing
14:45:54<@JAA>(Or well, pretty close to official, anyway.)
14:51:14<@JAA>Also relevant: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/424299/stack-overflow-is-no-longer-providing-creative-commons-data-dumps https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/388551/is-se-going-to-be-selling-our-content-for-ai-model-training-and-what-exactly
14:52:51<@arkiver>sigh
14:52:58<@arkiver>well it's been a planned project
14:52:58<masterx244|m>seems like they want to get AT'd, too
14:53:21<masterx244|m>sucks that we got fire after fire popping up right now
14:53:58<@arkiver>VC money running out everywhere
14:54:14<diggan>think it's on purpose? They see that AT is busy with other projects, so they try to do it asap so there isn't enough resources
14:55:27<diggan>probably not though, they're just turning off the pipe in order to be able to monetize the data more
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15:38:08<@JAA>pcr: Done
15:38:37<h2ibot>Rexma edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine (+25, added mewch.net, imageboard from circa 2017): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49888&oldid=49852
15:40:37<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Stack Exchange (+431, Add discontinuation of dumps): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49889&oldid=46235
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15:45:31<fireonlive>srsly stackoverflow :|
15:45:42<fireonlive>thought you were one of the good people
15:50:39<joepie91|m>stackoverflow has been being shitty for quite a while
15:50:59<fireonlive>damn
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16:00:41<h2ibot>JAABot edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49890&oldid=49888
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16:22:32<taggart>is there a reddit specific channel?
16:23:09<diggan>#shreddit
16:23:55<taggart>thanks
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19:20:46<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1667162815637905411
19:25:14<BigBrain>https://masm32.com/board/ and https://masmforum.com/board/
19:29:37<@JAA>TIL https://ghostarchive.org/
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19:32:03<that_lurker>ghostarchive seems to only grab the page you specify not any link in it
19:32:25<@JAA>So just like SPN (until quite recently) and archive.is then.
19:32:50<that_lurker>"Archive system: Webrecorder"
19:32:59<@JAA>:-(
19:34:22<fireonlive>oh no :(
19:34:55<fireonlive>(whoever added 'save outlinks' to SPN, thank you!)
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19:54:24<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited Reddit (+57, Clarify): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49891&oldid=49887
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20:03:21<@JAA>There is now real official confirmation that Stack Exchange is suspending its data dumps: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389922/june-2023-data-dump-is-missing (answer by Jody Bailey, CTO)
20:03:51<@JAA>> Stack Overflow senior leadership is working on a strategy to protect Stack Overflow data from being misused by companies building LLMs. While working on this strategy, we decided to stop the dump until we could put guardrails in place.
20:03:57<@JAA>> We are looking for ways to gate access to the Dump, APIs, and SEDE, that will allow individuals access to the data while preventing misuse by organizations looking to profit from the work of our community.
20:04:40<fireonlive>direct link to answer: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/390040
20:05:09<fireonlive>that's just....
20:05:12<fireonlive>....
20:05:17<fireonlive>sigh
20:05:23<@JAA>It's exactly what I expected, but yeah.
20:05:52<fireonlive>> Just as context for casual readers since it may not be obvious, Jody is our CTO. (I am not commenting on the matter at hand, just providing this info.) – balpha Staff Mod
20:06:00<fireonlive>lolol
20:07:00<fireonlive>i would not want to be on that hot potato either
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20:12:18<EvanBoehs|m>How long does it take IA to ingest archivebot crawls?
20:13:12<@JAA>You can expect up to a couple days.
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20:13:42<fireonlive>i'm surprised torproject didn't self-host their own forums from the start
20:14:03<@JAA>Reposting from -ot: 19:57:15 < that_lurker> https://blog.torproject.org/tor-project-forum-migration/ Tor Project to self host their forums
20:14:36<fireonlive>seems like something they'd do rather than farming it out to discourse for their saas option
20:14:39<fireonlive>tks
20:15:23<@JAA>Yeah, they self-host almost everything, I believe. (As they should, and I'd like us to do the same.)
20:17:26<that_lurker>discourse hosting it for them for free was most likely the reason
20:18:53<fireonlive>selfhosting is awesome :)
20:19:17<that_lurker>that it is
20:19:30<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Deathwatch (+198, /* 2023 */ Add Tor forums): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49892&oldid=49880
20:19:36<EvanBoehs|m>What can be done about archivebot jobs that end prematurely?
20:19:39<fireonlive>there are some people that go a bit further and say if it's not physically in your home that's not true self hosting but... i don't quite subscribe to that yet
20:19:52<fireonlive>(or maybe ever)
20:20:09<that_lurker>JAA When will we get Archiveteam inhouse petabyte project :P
20:21:29<@JAA>that_lurker: We just need someone to be volunteered to cosy up to a billionaire. ;-)
20:22:01<@JAA>I'd love a completely separate entity that mirrors all of IA on another continent.
20:22:43<that_lurker>arctic IA vault
20:23:04<BigBrain>any active mirrors outside the us?
20:23:20<@JAA>Nothing significant
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20:24:51<that_lurker>Whats the current storage size of IA
20:24:52<icedice>Is there a project for archiving end-to-end encrypted messaging apps?
20:25:02<icedice>The EU are about to ban them
20:25:09<that_lurker>icedice: Telegrab
20:25:14<that_lurker>for telegram
20:25:20<icedice>Or rather require police backdoors
20:25:31<icedice>I meant the binaries
20:25:36<that_lurker>ahh
20:26:09<icedice>The UK, US, and Australia are also going after them as usual
20:26:18<upintheairsheep>https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BlameCanada&src=typeahead_click https://twitter.com/search?q=new%20york%20smoke&src=typed_query&f=top https://twitter.com/search?q=new%20york%20%20sky&src=typed_query&f=top https://twitter.com/search?q=canada%20wildfire%202023&src=typed_query&f=top
20:26:41<icedice>And even if all the servers go down, P2P messengers like Tox would still work
20:26:58<icedice>As well as those that are self-hostable
20:27:20<upintheairsheep>These Twitter links contain the culture and reaction of the recent and ongoing 2023 canada wildfire
20:27:20<ehmry>icedice: f-droid should be archiving builds. if its not on f-droid its probably not worth keeping
20:28:00<icedice>Signal isn't on F-Droid
20:28:21<icedice>And the EU are going after the Apple App Store and Google Play for those apps
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20:28:39<icedice>Best case scenario, Google and Apple geo-block non-compliant apps in the EU
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20:29:26<that_lurker>icedice: Is ther a news article on the EU encyption?
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20:29:36<@JAA>Signal is on F-Droid, though on a separate repo.
20:29:36<ehmry>signal is an american internet freedom project, it'll be taken care of
20:31:41<icedice>that_lurker: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
20:32:34<icedice>The definition on app stores was loose enough that it could include Linux packages
20:32:46<icedice>I wonder if GitHub could fall under that definition as well
20:32:53<icedice><ehmry> signal is an american internet freedom project, it'll be taken care of
20:33:31<icedice>Hopefully, the EU tends to fine companies up to 6% of global turnover from the preceding financial year for violations
20:33:34<that_lurker>oh that. EU lawyers are already saying that is unlawful and that will get pushbacks form multiple directions.
20:34:01<icedice>Like that matters
20:34:19<@JAA>I've been wanting to launch a general software binaries archival project, but it requires software that does not exist yet. This would include Linux package repos and stuff like this (though maybe/probably not GitHub releases unless #gitgud's intended continuous archival never happens).
20:34:55<@JAA>It matters if the law goes to court and is struck down.
20:34:59<icedice>The EU Data Retention Directive was declared unconstitutional by the European Court of Justice in 2014
20:35:17<icedice>A bunch of EU countries still require that ISPs keep logs
20:35:42<icedice><JAA> It matters if the law goes to court and is struck down.
20:35:45<icedice>Then what?
20:35:59<icedice>Countries are already ignoring ECJ rulings
20:36:11<ehmry>icedice: EU countries can still be police states for matters of internal security, but they can't be mandated as such
20:36:44<icedice>If the countries implement Chat Control before ECJ outlaws it, it's here to stay
20:37:30<ehmry>right, in those countries
20:38:09<icedice>Sweden still has mandatory data retention for ISPs, for example
20:39:30<ehmry>Sweden is allowed to do that because the national security excuse, so the ECJ can't stop them
20:39:32<that_lurker>The whole EU directive was declared unconstitutional, but it didn't mean that countries would need to stop doing that
20:39:54<fireonlive>telegram is.... kinda E2E
20:40:02<fireonlive>if you turn it on per convo lol
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20:42:07<ehmry>if only some of the EU is going to ban encryption its going to be impractical to enforce
20:42:51<ehmry>an dennmark can say they need encryption to protect themselves against the swedes
20:43:44<icedice>Decentralized and peer-to-peer end-to-end encrypted messengers will make enforcement near impossible
20:44:32<icedice><fireonlive> telegram is.... kinda E2E
20:44:34<icedice>Good meme
20:44:35<icedice>https://www.wired.com/story/the-kremlin-has-entered-the-chat/
20:44:39<ehmry>so bans on "E2" platforms isn't such a bad prospect
20:44:48<ehmry>*E2E
20:44:54<@JAA>This has exited the realm of on-topic discussion.
20:44:55<icedice>It's bad
20:45:05<@JAA>Please take it to -ot.
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22:05:37<@JAA>School of Dragons https://www.schoolofdragons.com/ shutting down at the end of the month, looking into archiving their S3 bucket, see #// for previous discussion.
22:06:01<@JAA>Can someone take care of AB'ing the website and associated stuff?
22:06:43<@JAA>The bucket is https://s3.amazonaws.com/origin.ka.cdn/?prefix=DWADragonsUnity/ and there's a lot of dupes in it. Analysis ongoing, plan is to use either AB or qwarc.
22:11:28<nicolas17>I downloaded all of Android/1.11.0/, it's 3446 MiB, but jdupes says there's 1722 MiB of duplicates
22:13:59<nicolas17>ooh seems I can easily get md5
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22:17:34<nicolas17>JAA: https://paste.debian.net/1282530/
22:17:41<@JAA>Yes, the ETag is the object's MD5 hash.
22:17:57<@JAA>It's in the ListObjects response.
22:18:10<nicolas17>by "easily" I mean "rclone md5sum" and not have to mess with the API myself
22:18:13<nicolas17>:)
22:18:33<@JAA>Right, I have custom tooling to work with ListObjects directly and output JSONL. Then some jq magic and done.
22:18:51<@JAA>But first I need food.
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22:21:41<that_lurker>https://www.githubstatus.com/incidents/0csnqhwzxp1m
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22:22:13<that_lurker>Github having issues again
22:22:33<nicolas17>copying from #//
22:22:41<nicolas17>the DWADragonsUnity directory has: "Total usage: 6.754T, Objects: 7757530"
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22:37:28<tech234a>YouTuber Dream has decided to un-face-reveal, and has begun slowly deleting photos/videos containing his face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvebNBKOSTg
22:38:13<nicolas17>hope he heard of the streisand effect
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22:43:37<BigBrain>his face is a meme, his efforts are futile
22:52:33<fireonlive>hmmm. good luck with that
22:53:34<fireonlive>i totally understand the feeling though
22:57:42<nicolas17>after getting the md5 of 1.39M files, it stalled, guessing rate limiting
22:58:12<nicolas17>maybe rclone fell into a deep hole of exponential backoff even
22:58:17<nicolas17>but
22:58:50<nicolas17>JAA: Android directory, 89% checked (didn't finish yet), so far 1394900 files, 253652 unique files according to md5
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23:23:36<@JAA>chrismeller: ArchiveBot might be an option. Once you have a list and any constraints on how it needs to be grabbed, we can discuss this much better.
23:25:41<chrismeller>Thanks, JAA. I should have the list of requests in the next day or so, then I'll start scraping the list of files as well.
23:26:57<@JAA>Sounds good.
23:28:59<@JAA>nicolas17: S3 seems to be a bit sad right now. I'm getting very slow responses, disconnects, etc.
23:29:27<nicolas17>yeah, I thought it was rate limiting
23:29:32<nicolas17>but there may be more to it
23:30:06<@JAA>Definitely not
23:30:25<@JAA>I'm seeing it from other IPs, too, which I haven't used for accessing S3 in any significant capacity recently.
23:30:42<@JAA>Also, AWS is more than happy to bill the bucket owner as much as they can.
23:30:59<nicolas17>I had it stall after 1.39M files were listed, on two different connections, that's why I thought maybe it was some per-IP limit I hit
23:31:26<@JAA>Yep, also at 1.39M here.
23:31:37<nicolas17>... wow
23:31:39<nicolas17>on what prefix?
23:31:49<@JAA>No prefix
23:31:55<@JAA>I'm listing the whole bucket because why not.
23:32:48<@JAA>But there are only 16671 objects before DWADragonsUnity, so that doesn't really matter.
23:38:11<nicolas17>Total data: 6916.14 GiB in 7757546 files
23:38:13<nicolas17>Unique data: 3037.20 GiB in 1143186 files
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23:38:23<nicolas17>that's in DWADragonsUnity
23:44:49<@JAA>Thanks, ok, qwarc it is.
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23:52:39<nicolas17>good god... I hope I'm messing up somewhere lol
23:53:05<nicolas17>looking only at files with .mp4 extension, there's 92 unique files and 48357 duplicates
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23:55:53<nicolas17>1247 MiB unique + 514697 MiB duplicate, only in mp4
23:56:31<@JAA>Sounds very plausible.
23:57:36<nicolas17>.unity3d: "575925 MiB in 486754 files" unique + "309943 MiB in 1316232 files" duplicate

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