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05:01:19<@JAA>tech234a: So uh, trying to figure out what exactly needs archiving re: Blender. The Phabricator instance seems to be down already. I guess we'll want https://archive.blender.org/developer/ but what else?
05:01:57<tech234a>tbh I didn't look too closely before passing the announcement along
05:02:30<tech234a>also https://developer.blender.org/
05:02:53<@JAA>That 'archive' is also an awful script hell. :-(
05:03:03<@JAA>Yeah, but that's the new site, as I understand the announcement?
05:03:13<@JAA>That's where the Phabricator instance used to be.
05:03:17<tech234a>hmm not sure then? "The developer.blender.org website will remain available as read-only for a few weeks to help in migration, in particular for workboards."
05:03:39<@JAA>E.g. here from last month: https://web.archive.org/web/20230102073107/https://developer.blender.org/
05:05:52<@JAA>They did set up a bunch of redirects under that domain to Gitea at least, so that's nice.
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05:06:41<@JAA>pabs: ^ I see that you also looked at this. Any idea?
05:06:53<tech234a>yeah it looks like the "few weeks" mentioned in the announcement was incorrect/outdated
05:08:31<tech234a>not sure where the "dashboards" went though https://web.archive.org/web/20220718102718/https://developer.blender.org/dashboard/
05:09:43<tech234a>also user pages https://web.archive.org/web/20220701030743/https://developer.blender.org/p/Severin/
05:10:01<tech234a>but overall it does seem like they migrated the main content
05:16:35<@JAA>Hmmmmmmm: https://ro.developer.blender.org/
05:18:16<@JAA>'ro' may be 'read-only'.
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05:47:40<@JAA>The scripting on https://archive.blender.org/developer/ is fortunately quite simple, and the actual data is in open directories. That'll all run through AB shortly.
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07:06:57<@OrIdow6>So on Issu, I don't see why there would be many issues using all 3 methods discussed (the sitemap, spidering around, the embed-related? API)
07:07:14<@OrIdow6>If it is in need of a warrior project I will probably have time on the weekend
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09:13:02<pabs>JAA: I didn't go beyond posting the announcement here sorry
09:13:27<pabs>er reading the announcement, oops
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18:05:18<h2ibot>Thezt edited Deathwatch (+145, Added Gamerch): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49445&oldid=49444
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20:18:34<kurkosdr>Hi, can I propose one ftp site to be archived? (ftp.pctvsystems.com) The reason I want to archive this link is because the PCTV Systems company was purchased by another company, and they have practically abandoned this website and FTP server, so I want to archive the software contained in the FTP server in case they decide to shut it down.
20:19:12<AlsoTheTechRobo>is the ftp archiving infrastructure still functional here?
20:21:35<kurkosdr>What do you mean by "here"?
20:22:10<AlsoTheTechRobo>oh, i'm not talking to you, was a general question to whoever was running the ftp archiving stuff awhile ago
20:22:13<AlsoTheTechRobo>i don't know what happened to all that
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20:28:11<@JAA>#effteepee for FTP stuff, but no, it hasn't been operational in quite a while.
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20:28:39<AlsoTheTechRobo>does archivebot work with ftp? i know wpull _kinda_ does
20:28:53<@JAA>Yes but really no.
20:29:10<AlsoTheTechRobo>rip
20:29:21<@JAA>Same as wpull, pretty much any error or unsuccessful retrieval crashes it.
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20:29:52<AlsoTheTechRobo>kurkosdr: in that case, probably the best option is to use any decent ftp crawler
20:30:02<kurkosdr>Any leads?
20:30:25<AlsoTheTechRobo>for crawlersÉ
20:30:27<AlsoTheTechRobo>*?
20:30:34<kurkosdr>Yes, for crawlers.
20:30:42<AlsoTheTechRobo>apparently wget supports ftp, but i haven't tried that
20:30:47<kurkosdr>Also, how can I archive it (not on my PC but somewhere on the web)?
20:30:50<AlsoTheTechRobo>but just downloading with filezilla will probably work
20:31:18<AlsoTheTechRobo>kurkosdr: re archiving it, upload it to archive.org if it isn't too big, won't go into the wayback machine but better than nothing
20:32:31<kurkosdr>I actually tried to archive it in wayback machine by going to the website and clicking on download links but it times out on a long file...
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20:33:40<@JAA>Yeah, there are time limits, and also it truncates big files.
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20:37:37<kurkosdr>How big?
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20:38:22<@JAA>2 GiB
20:38:34<AlsoTheTechRobo>it specifies that in the headers, correct?
20:38:41<@JAA>Yeah
20:38:44<AlsoTheTechRobo>Thank God
20:39:02<kurkosdr>Ahh, ok, biggest file is 576MB, but it times out.
20:39:11<kurkosdr>*but sadly it times out.
20:39:24<@JAA>Well, actually, last time I tested this was still the old SPN, not SPN2. So not sure how that works these days.
20:39:58<kurkosdr>So, if I can't do it via Wayback Machine, I can do it by uploading an archive, but my problem with archiving this ftp myself is that it's mostly executable files and nobody will trust such an archive made by someone called "kurkosdr". That's why I contacted archiveteam who are a trusted name.
20:43:11<pokechu22>It's probably still worth trying to do one yourself to make sure at least one copy exists
20:44:07<kurkosdr>Yes will do. It's not even a big ftp, but contains important executables.
20:44:29<kurkosdr>I guess Archive Org takes tar files? If they do, I am good.
20:45:23<pokechu22>Yeah, you can upload it like that, or as a 7z file, or as a bunch of loose files. For playback on web.archive.org it needs to be done as a warc file (but warc files from random people generally aren't added) but for direct downloads I don't think there are many restrictions on the format
20:45:49<kurkosdr>ok
20:47:36<@JAA>What's the total size and number of files?
20:48:00<@JAA>(I can get it myself, but it sounds like you already did something with it.)
20:48:31<kurkosdr>Don't know yet, let me download it.
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20:49:47<Thibaultmol>I'm assuming someone might have already mentioned it here. But mastodon.lol is shutting down in 3 months from now: https://mastodon.lol/@nathan/109836633022272265
20:51:28<@JAA>Looks like it lists some directories that don't even exist. Fun.
20:51:56<@JAA>Thibaultmol: Hasn't been mentioned, thanks. We only archive Mastodon instances on request from the owner though.
20:54:31<@JAA>kurkosdr: 15.35 GiB in 455 files. Ok, maybe that's small enough to be worth a try in ArchiveBot.
20:57:37<kurkosdr>Will archive bot put anything in Wayback Machine? Or upload it as a tar? Both are good things to have, since ArchiveTeam is a trusted username. I will also upload myself (kurkosdr) because I started the job and have the time, but don't know how many users will find the tar, let alone
20:57:43<kurkosdr>trust it
20:57:50<@JAA>It goes into the WBM.
20:59:12<@JAA>It's running now. We'll see how it goes.
20:59:44<kurkosdr>Thnx!
21:00:34<Thibaultmol>Thx or archiving! Hope that mastodon at some point has a proper system for transfering posts from one instance to another (for those that are on that server and want to switch)
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21:13:37<@JAA>Thibaultmol: Just to avoid confusion, those messages were for kurkosdr. We won't archive mastodon.lol unless @nathan@mastodon.lol asks us to.
21:14:32<Thibaultmol>ah ok fair. I'll send a dm to Nathan (although with all the personal attacks he's been getting. I might have to send another one in a couple days, cause I'll just be underneath a pile of other posts)
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21:16:55<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Mastodon (+95, Add mastodon.lol): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=49446&oldid=49167
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22:33:10<Tomo|m>Could someone look into archiving <https://www.computercraft.info/forums2/>? The topic is a Minecraft mod, and it's become abandonware (the mod was forked soon after it was open-sourced). The fork also has forums <https://forums.computercraft.cc> which are not in as much danger but still could be of concern.
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22:34:37<Tomo|m>(The original forums might have already been archived, but I'm not sure when or by whom.)
22:34:49<pokechu22>It looks like computercraft.info was previously saved in full in 2021: https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/2epb1 - is there much new content on the forums since then?
22:35:29<pokechu22>Hmm, wait, no, that was canceled partway through, so not saved in full. Not sure why
22:35:57<Tomo|m>> is there much new content on the forums since then?
22:35:57<Tomo|m>The CAPTCHA broke sometime in 2018 or 2019, so I don't think there have been many new posts.
22:36:01<Tomo|m> * > is there much new content on the forums since then?
22:36:01<Tomo|m>The CAPTCHA broke sometime in 2018 or 2019, so I don't think there have been many new posts.
22:36:23<Tomo|m>(Specifically, the CAPTCHA on account registration.)
22:36:56<Tomo|m>The old forums also have quite a few Pastebin links; I'm not sure if those have been grabbed or not.
22:37:35<Tomo|m>There's also a wiki at <https://www.computercraft.info/wiki/Main_Page>; I'm not sure if that's been grabbed or not.
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22:38:00<pokechu22>Looking at my logs, it seems like the forums were doing jank session ID stuff, so the job was slowed down on 2021-11-07, and then nobody fixed it and then it was canceled on 2022-01-20
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22:40:08<Tomo|m>Hmm, odd. It's an IPBoard instance if there's any specific tool for grabbing content from those.
22:42:03<pokechu22>The computercraft wiki was dumped with wikiteam tools in 2021: https://archive.org/details/wiki-computercraftinfo_wiki-2 (this is the data for it, which won't show up on web.archive.org directly)
22:43:08<@JAA>Re GitHub Team Discussions deprecation: nothing to do since that's all non-public.
22:43:09<Tomo|m>Ah okay.
22:47:51<pokechu22>I'm going to try running http://www.computercraft.info/ via archivebot, hopefully i'tll work better this time
22:48:34<Tomo|m>Much appreciated, thank you!
22:49:45<pokechu22>I'm also redownloading the wiki just because it's pretty easy and I've been going through some other wikis lately
22:56:51<pokechu22>Looks like the fork also has an old wiki at https://wiki.computercraft.cc/ - I'll save that too (and am working on the rest of the site through archivebot)
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