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05:36:48<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist moved VKontakte to VK ('VK' is the official name): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=VK
05:36:49<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited VK (-9): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48921&oldid=48919
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12:26:29<schwad>Hello, I am schwad. My github is @schwad and my twitter is @schwad_rb for external communications. I am writing regarding the decommissioning of Heroku free tier.I have been in touch with Bob Wise and Deb Robbins (EVP and VP) about this, and am proposing that they assist in an archival process as there are 15 years' worth of critical apps that need
12:26:30<schwad>archiving.During this discussion one of my managers (I work at Shopify) pointed me to Jason Scott, who might be able to help, and Jason in turn pointed me to this IRC. @theblazehenlm directed me here from #archiveteamThe last communication from deb was :> Hi Nick - I'm still exploring various options with our legal team.> Jason I would be
12:26:30<schwad>interested to hear how you have worked on this with other organizations. Thanks, Deb DEB ROBBINSVP, Platform Business Operations | SalesforceMobile: +1 (628) 224-9334 (I cc'd what I though was jason's email and the archive info into the thread but jason's email was wrong)I can copy in more email backscroll if needed.Essentially I think they're
12:26:31<schwad>willing to get guidance about how to work on this with archive.org and I'd like to give appropriate guidance _or_ get a reliable contact to CC in the thread. Is anyone able to help?
12:28:04<schwad>also apologies, I haven't IRC'd in a minute so goofed up multiline there. an appropriately formatted version of my message is available at this gist: https://gist.github.com/Schwad/3a0218028460c3e43bbd7e5abb6e3f0f
12:29:16<theblazehen|m>schwad: Important note, Archive Team is unaffiliated with the Internet Archive (archive.org), although a lot of stuff from the archive team ends up on the internet archive. How much support would they be willing to give us?
12:30:00<theblazehen|m>I assume it wouldn't just be a dump of everything they have on the free tier. If we could get a complete listing of all free tier domains, that would be very helpful in terms of us handling archiving
12:31:02<schwad>I'm not sure how much support I'd be able to negotiate from them but I think it's a good sign that they're willing to ask the question "how can it be done". My hunch is that there shouldn't be protest about a list of free tier domains, right?
12:31:13<schwad>Like these should be publicly available on the web
12:31:42<schwad>theblazehen|m thanks for the clarification re: Archive Team 👀
12:32:30<theblazehen|m>> _or_ get a reliable contact to CC in the thread.
12:32:30<theblazehen|m>First prize would be if they could have a direct discussion on IRC, otherwise I'd at least be willing to be a liason via email and relay messages (If no one else in the channel objects, since I'm pretty new here)
12:34:12<schwad>I have to go to lunch and a quick meeting but will circle back. I'm more than happy to raise with them the IRC chat (even if Deb can get an eng. with the right authority here) and domain list possibility. And without protest circle in any appropriate individual to the email thread
12:34:48<theblazehen|m>Thank you schwad
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16:13:03<Jake>schwad_: That's great! We've been thinking a lot about Heroku, obviously we're going to try and archive as much as we can before the deadline. It depends on how much support they are willing to offer, I think we have some partial domain lists, obviously more complete ones would be great, but we might run into road blocks crawling as well, rate
16:13:03<Jake>limits, etc. Would be super interested in what support they can offer.
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17:19:05<@JAA>arkiver: See above re Heroku.
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18:06:18<audrooku|m>so uh, what's the recommended way to grab a mostly static website again?
18:06:35<audrooku|m>the wiki is kinda really confusing
18:07:26<audrooku|m>warcprox looks about like what I want except that it doesn't work for me on windows, wsl, or linux, seemingly
18:07:57<audrooku|m>'linux' being whatever amazon linux is
18:08:55<audrooku|m>or is it grab-site I couldn't get to work 🤔
18:20:36<@arkiver>JAA: AWESOME
18:21:56<@arkiver>:D
18:22:04<@arkiver>let's think of a channel for heroku
18:22:09<@arkiver>gonna be awesome
18:22:35<@JAA>#harakiri ?
18:22:55<theblazehen|m>👍️ #harakiri
18:23:58<@JAA>audrooku|m: grab-site is the most convenient probably. You could use wget-at, which is like wget except with correct WARC output (for this purpose, anyway, it has other stuff, too, of course). warcprox is more the thing to use for dynamic sites in combination with a browser. All the tooling is geared towards sane environments though, so getting it to work on Windows can be challenging.
18:24:54<@arkiver>:P
18:25:16<audrooku|m>> All the tooling is geared towards sane environments though, so getting it to work on Windows can be challenging.
18:25:16<audrooku|m>Yeah.. can't blame the devs LOL
18:25:16<audrooku|m>I really should get a local linux box setup..
18:25:24<audrooku|m>>accidentally quote the whole message
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20:10:17<@arkiver>so #harakiri for heroku
20:15:52<Jake>guess so!
20:19:53<@arkiver>schwad is contacted
20:23:20<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist moved Using Heroku to Heroku: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Heroku
20:29:21<h2ibot>Gridkr edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine (+25): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48925&oldid=48918
20:29:22<h2ibot>Squidboy edited Deathwatch (+297, /* Eleventh Hour Reprieves and Reanimations */…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48924&oldid=48903
20:29:23<h2ibot>Theblazehen edited Valhalla (+730, /* Software Options */ Add SeaweedFS and Garage): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48926&oldid=47681
20:37:58<joepie91|m>theblazehen: note that Garage's trust model is "assume that all node operators are trusted"
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21:05:40<TheTechRobo>JAA: Vanilla wget doesn't have proper warc output?
21:05:56<@JAA>TheTechRobo: No, it still outputs the angle brackets around WARC-Target-URI.
21:06:23<TheTechRobo>JAA: And that's bad?
21:06:25<@JAA>Which is technically what the spec says, but that's an error in the spec, and no other implementation does it.
21:07:26<@JAA>They weren't exactly willing to change that back either 'because spec'.
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21:07:48<@JAA>Moving to WARC/1.1, which fixed this issue among other things, was the plan for a while, but that never happened.
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21:11:22<TheTechRobo>JAA: What are the main differences between WARC/1.0 and WARC/1.1?
21:11:50<@JAA>IA/WBM still doesn't support the angle brackets correctly: http://web.archive.org/web/20190626051544/http://%3Chttps//nratv2api.nra.tv/series/bill-whittles-hot-mic/episode-data/1-1-2013%3E
21:12:11<TheTechRobo>Interesting.
21:12:38<@JAA>https://github.com/JustAnotherArchivist/warc-specifications/tree/comparison-1.0-v-1.1/specifications/warc-format/warc-1.1
21:13:40<TheTechRobo>JAA: Thanks
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