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00:00:48<thuban>can you elaborate a little on your issues with deathwatch? i know it's been discussed previously (https://hackint.logs.kiska.pw/archiveteam-bs/20201216#c215126, https://hackint.logs.kiska.pw/archiveteam-bs/20210207#c272315) but i'm not sure whether you're thinking along the same lines
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00:37:41<@OrIdow6>I just mean in a more limited sense, that it's full of stuff that needs to be moved to dead or defies the binary classification
00:37:45<@OrIdow6>Mostly the first
02:05:09<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited Deathwatch (+72, DuckDuckGo died): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48834&oldid=48827
02:05:20<TheTechRobo>Typo in the edit message :-)
02:08:27<TheTechRobo>Also, what's the status on archiving Ownlog? Last commit to https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ownlog-grab/ was in 2016 but the tracker for it doesn't have any items and the wiki says it's "upcoming".
02:10:41<@JAA>Yeah, someone should probably go through all project pages that are 'upcoming' or 'in progress' and clean those up. A lot of them are very out-of-date.
02:10:52<TheTechRobo>Was ownlog ever actually done?
02:11:29<@JAA>Not in my time, but I only showed up here in early 2017.
02:19:59<@OrIdow6>Am I doing something wrong? https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/Hq3f2/strange_api it seems to be unescaping the Unicode apostrophes before parsing the JSON
02:21:32<@JAA>OrIdow6: --data (-d) causes curl to send form-encoded data, which may have something to do with it.
02:22:07<@JAA>Perhaps you want --data-raw instead?
02:22:54<thuban>JAA: the infobox project template finally supports showing channels as decommissioned, right? have we started actually decommissioning old project channels, and if so, is there a rule of thumb / list / decision procedure for determining which are dead?
02:23:36<@JAA>thuban: Yes, it does, and all EFnet channels plus a few here have been decommissioned already.
02:25:20<@JAA>But no, we don't have any rules for that yet. Basically if a channel isn't used and won't be used again in the future, it's a candidate, and then someone with the right permissions has to actually do it (announce in the channel, then a few weeks later kick everyone and close the channel with a redirect).
02:26:13<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited StoryFire (+22, Few items left in tracker): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48835&oldid=47629
02:26:14<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited BBC News Social Media (+114, 2022): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48836&oldid=46203
02:26:15<h2ibot>TheTechRobo created Heritrix (+188, Create page, mainly to get rid of those ugly…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Heritrix
02:26:16<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist changed the user rights of User:TheTechRobo
02:27:12<TheTechRobo>:-)
02:28:15<@OrIdow6>Still fails if I use --data-raw; that if I change the number of "a"s it works inclines me to believe this is not an error in my or the Python client's part
02:29:53<TheTechRobo>Oh, my edits aren't showing up here anymore.
02:30:13<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited TechnologyGuide (+59, Update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48838&oldid=48239
02:30:19<TheTechRobo>Nevermind. :-)
02:32:14<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited Google Code (-5, I think this is saved, although I might be wrong.): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48839&oldid=47748
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02:36:14<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited WikiApiary (+53): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48840&oldid=28771
02:37:13<thuban>should we have a "hiatus" project status?
02:37:36<TheTechRobo>thuban: You can technically do that with like `{{inprogress}} (on hiatus)`
02:37:52<TheTechRobo>Is there a way to see if an ArchiveBot job finished successfully?
02:38:21<thuban>i mean as a page category
02:38:44<TheTechRobo>thuban: That makes sense
02:39:18<TheTechRobo>To be more specific, I need to know if 3onw825bkdwrq9fj9g4iynm9l finished.
02:40:20<TheTechRobo>I tried the meta WARC, but it just ends with "Fetched (a url)." Is there supposed to be a "Downloaded X MB in 6:94:20"?
02:41:26<@JAA>Hmm, that shouldn't happen.
02:41:38<TheTechRobo>Did it crash then?
02:41:51<@JAA>No, crashes don't look like that.
02:42:13<TheTechRobo>Weird.
02:42:15<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited LISWiki (+43, Can't tell whether the job finished or not): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48841&oldid=47948
02:42:24<TheTechRobo>(I'll update the page if I find out more.)
02:42:36<@JAA>thuban: Yes, a hiatus status sounds good to me.
02:42:59<TheTechRobo>JAA: The job was started at 1552458784 (March 2019). Was it different then?
02:43:15<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Bintray (+4, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48842&oldid=47720
02:43:19<thuban>i'm not into mediawiki; someone want to create it?
02:43:36<@JAA>TheTechRobo: The meta WARC looks fine to me.
02:43:37<TheTechRobo>thuban: No clue how.
02:43:48<@JAA>2019-03-15 16:07:01,546 - wpull.application.tasks.stats - INFO - Downloaded: 659558 files, 41.3 GiB.
02:43:50<TheTechRobo>JAA: Really? Hm, did replayweb.page screw something up?
02:47:16<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist created Template:On hiatus (+188, Created page with "{{Orange|On…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Template%3AOn%20hiatus
02:48:16<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Template:Archiving status templates (+20): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48844&oldid=30017
02:49:16<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Template:Infobox project (+18, Add 'on hiatus' archiving status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48845&oldid=47323
02:50:03<thuban>thanks! :)
02:50:17<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist created Category:On hiatus (+102, Created page with "{{Projects status}} To add a…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Category%3AOn%20hiatus
02:50:18<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited NewsGrabber (-1, NewsGrabber is on hiatus): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48847&oldid=47724
02:50:19<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Template:Projects status (+64, Add 'on hiatus' archiving status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48848&oldid=25460
02:50:22<thuban>i'm looking at the meta warc for a different job. there's a "FINISHED" message from wpull, but also an "advising control task ... and settings listener to stop pending termination" from the pipeline; is that normal?
02:50:32<@JAA>Yeah
02:51:35<@JAA>There are some bugs in that area, but they don't affect the archival, so they've been swept under the rug years ago. :-)
02:52:17<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Apple Daily (-5, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48849&oldid=47645
02:52:18<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited Yuku.com (-1, Assuming the Main page is trustworthy.): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48850&oldid=47728
02:54:17<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited URLs (+137): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48851&oldid=48690
02:55:08<thuban>blog.nl 503s, but seems to be functional enough to have recent pages in google's cache... not sure what to make of that
02:58:54<thuban>oh no. the "on hiatus" template has a space in its name where all of the other status templates are run-together. this hurts me
02:59:57<@JAA>Well, the correct name for 'in progress' is also that.
03:00:06<@JAA>There's just an inprogress alias because some people are lazy. ;-)
03:00:13<@JAA>s/alias/redirect/
03:00:15<thuban>oh, that makes me feel better.
03:00:29<@JAA>And the other ones don't have that problem.
03:00:51<@JAA>Wait no
03:01:03<@JAA>The template is called inprogress, and 'in progress' is the redirect.
03:01:26<thuban>:<
03:01:32<@JAA>Ok, let's do it all in one word then I guess.
03:01:39<thuban>(plus there's selfsaved and notsavedyet)
03:01:42<@JAA>Yeah
03:02:18<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist moved Template:On hiatus to Template:Onhiatus (Consistency with the other butchered template…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Template%3AOnhiatus
03:03:19<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Comcast Personal Web Pages (+4, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48854&oldid=47700
03:03:20<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Template:Archiving status templates (-1): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48855&oldid=48844
03:03:21<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Template:Infobox project (-1): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48856&oldid=48845
03:03:22<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Category:On hiatus (-1): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48857&oldid=48846
03:05:09<thuban>i'm presumptively using "partially saved" if (1) there's some data in the tracker or an ia collection and (2)a there's page text stating it was incomplete or (2)b there's reason to believe it was unenumerable (eg isp hosting)
03:06:57<thuban>not sure about stuff like nagi where there are a few tracker items left 'out' but no unambiguous signs of incompleteness
03:08:20<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Exploring by the Seat of your Pants (-14, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48858&oldid=48323
03:09:26<thuban>oh, i guess nagi actually had two other domains it looks like we didn't hit, so partiallysaved anyway? question stands on the general principle though
03:11:20<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Flickr (+14, formatting): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48859&oldid=48811
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03:13:01<@JAA>Elsewhere, we have the terminology 'qualified success' for when we probably got the vast majority of content. Actually complete coverage is almost never possible anyway.
03:13:31<thuban>ah, i figured something like that
03:13:51<@JAA>So I'd use {{saved}} for cases like that and {{partiallysaved}} for anything where we got less than that.
03:16:01<thuban>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Index_F%C3%B3rum archivebot only, last data from job came in 2021-12-30, json doesn't report abort, but there's no meta warc...?
03:17:34<@JAA>That got OOM-killed.
03:17:53<@JAA>The log file should be somewhere in the collection but is hard to find.
03:18:12<thuban>thanks, i'll mark it partial
03:19:21<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Internet Archive (-14, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48860&oldid=47331
03:21:22<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Index Fórum (-2, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48861&oldid=47867
03:23:22<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Angelfire (-106, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48862&oldid=47979
03:29:30<@OrIdow6>Would it be possible for me to get an account on the AT Gitea? Or else that's not the Gitea public demo?
03:29:37<@OrIdow6>*somewhere
03:30:26<@OrIdow6>With the warning that the whole point of what I'm doing is to create thousands of issues in a short time
03:32:29<@JAA>Yeah, before we do this in earnest, I need to change some things on the machine running Gitea.
03:35:55<@JAA>I didn't think this would be ready so quickly, but I'll try to do this today (UTC).
03:36:37<@OrIdow6>It's not entirely ready, and either way we're talking about gathering statistics on effectiveness rates, rather than daily use
03:37:50<thuban>OrIdow6: toward that end, maybe attach the specific pattern that matched each issue?
03:38:06<@OrIdow6>Exactly what I've been thinking thuban
04:04:29<h2ibot>Switchnode edited JoinDOTA (+48, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48863&oldid=48385
04:14:34<@OrIdow6>Also don't expect the rest of this to go this fast, I've been super on a roll today for whatever reason
04:17:55<thuban>https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/81m9o this was only aborted because it was a repeat, right? Ryz?
04:22:31<thuban>https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/dw9u6 this on the other hand seems to have something legitimately wrong with it. anyone happen to know what (or log in #archivebot)? there's no meta info and i don't really want to poke through a gig of warc
04:22:55<thuban>(all of the other make: jobs look ok)
04:24:31<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Nagi (+69, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48864&oldid=48139
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04:27:38<thuban>are sites that still host user-generated content but don't allow new uploads offline or specialcase?
04:31:18<@JAA>I'd consider that {{endangered}} probably.
04:31:30<thuban>aha
04:32:45<@JAA>Because in practice, those sites nearly always fail after a few years or so.
04:32:58thuban nods
04:35:34<thuban>the periscope tracker has like 200k out and a few todo (vs 1.28m done). is there some reason we should expect those to be invalid? because otherwise that doesn't seem good enough for a 'saved' to me and we should probably take another look while the data is still up
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04:36:45<@JAA>Ugh yeah, that zombie site...
04:38:34<h2ibot>Switchnode edited TNTvillage (+1, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48865&oldid=45272
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04:44:16<Jake>Periscope still exists too.... tf is happening with that
04:44:27<thuban>anyone object to my making judgment calls and marking obviously-out-of-date wiki pages with no discernible links to results as {{onhiatus}}?
04:50:17<thuban>hm no, would be better to use {{unknown}}
04:53:36<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Flickr (+3, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48866&oldid=48859
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05:17:25<thuban>can we assume that textfiles.com is, in fact, completely saved?
05:19:40<h2ibot>Switchnode edited ScreenshotsDatabase.com (-3, update status (stale page)): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48874&oldid=23714
05:20:40<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Shutdownify (-4, update status (stale page)): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48875&oldid=47486
05:21:04<@JAA>Before we go through all pages... do we want to add anything else to the infobox? A shutdown date field perhaps?
05:21:40<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Wallhaven (-3, update status (stale page)): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48876&oldid=47427
05:23:00<@JAA>thuban: Not sure re textfiles.com, there was that recent scare with a hardware failure, and I got the impression that it's not as well archived as one might expect.
05:23:27<thuban>...throw it in ab? it's not that big, is it? i mean, text.
05:23:57<Jake>some of the subdomains are large, like CD.
05:24:03<thuban>ah
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05:25:35<thuban>meanwhile, anyone know whether the webs project qualifies as {{saved}}? the page suggests that sites should have been enumerable, but i'm not sure whether all of them made it into the tracker
05:25:59<@JAA>34 TB: https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1551760923693662208
05:29:19<@JAA>But this is what I meant: https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1539952547573760003
05:29:47<Ryz>thuban, regarding https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/81m9o - yes, it's because of a repeat~
05:30:06<thuban>thanks!
05:32:50<Ryz>As for https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/dw9u6 - checking https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/domain/galicia.makerfaire.com - it looks like it was aborted because there were two jobs running the same domain at the time, but HTTP and HTTPS being considered different thuban
05:33:58<thuban>ahhh, i hadn't thought of that (and the wiki page only linked the aborted one). will fix, thank you!
05:35:42<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Webzone.ee (+47, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48877&oldid=47330
05:45:44<h2ibot>Switchnode edited Make Magazine (+151, update status): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48878&oldid=47968
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05:59:00<thuban>ok. i think everything left in "in progress" is either legitimately current, a metaproject, or pretty old but attributable to one person who seems like they might possibly still be working on it
06:02:03<thuban>hey HCross, did you ever finish/upload that crawl of storm shield one? (i wasn't able to find it on ia, either by searching or in the warc collection where you uploaded the readyset crawl)
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06:12:54<pabs>interesting, wonder if this could be applied to IA: https://www.indexnow.org/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/crawler-hints-supports-microsofts-indexnow-in-helping-users-find-new-content/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32606883
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06:24:10<Jake>(IA is quoted in https://blog.cloudflare.com/crawler-hints-how-cloudflare-is-reducing-the-environmental-impact-of-web-searches/ )
06:29:16<pabs>cool "the Internet Archive is thrilled to start using this new "Crawler Hints" service."
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06:58:29<@JAA>theblazehen|m: What exactly are you doing regarding ARM? wget-at is not verified to work correctly on ARM, so please don't run anything against the live tracker.
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07:05:54<theblazehen|m>JAA: Was planning on running it on Oracle cloud instances as I got a few decent ARM instances there. But if it's not verified, then I won't run it
07:07:29<@JAA>Ah. Thanks
07:08:16<Jake>(Who was looking into ARM support? I think I remember something about that... a year+ ago?)
07:09:25<@JAA>EggplantN, who hasn't been around much since early last year.
07:10:26<theblazehen|m>What kind of barriers would there be to getting arm verified? Can I help? (Been running a warrior on and off for a couple years, but would like to get more involved)
07:15:58<@JAA>It's about validating data integrity, including correct treatment of various weird edge cases, in particular the bugs around error conditions on various stdio functions.
07:17:05<@JAA>Essentially, someone quite familiar with the codebase needs to do this, which is unfortunately only a couple people who are busy with other things.
07:22:44<theblazehen|m>Got it, thanks
07:24:06<theblazehen|m>Is running terroroftinytown okay? Seeing as that's just python and doesn't depend on wget-at
07:29:25<theblazehen|m>I'm gonna assume at least helm charts for running the x86 version of the containers would still be useful?
08:08:08<@OrIdow6>I have very little idea what Helm Charts are but I suspect the answer is currently "yes", in the same way that the answer to "is it useful to have flood insurance" is "yes" during the middle of a drought
08:10:25<@OrIdow6>No big/popular/unusual projects going on, and my understanding (I'm not involved in that side of things) is that everyone already has their setup
08:10:39<theblazehen|m>OrIdow6: Pretty much, a convenient way of deploying applications to a kubernetes cluster. Would make it easy to deploy archiving bots to multiple servers at once
08:11:02<theblazehen|m>Got it, thanks
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09:18:46<Maakuth|m>For given value of convenient :)
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09:54:32<theblazehen|m>Maakuth if you already have a cluster, it is at least. If arm support was approved I could run it on tens of nodes with 10 min of effort
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15:03:24<TheTechRobo>So is there a specific reason why yuku is on hiatus?
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15:08:54<TheTechRobo>JAA: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/JamiiForums says you're the project lead. Any update on that?
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16:29:36<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited Exploring by the Seat of your Pants (-1, Currently being archived on #youtubearchive): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48880&oldid=48858
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17:05:53<@JAA>TheTechRobo: *crickets*
17:07:36<@JAA>I was working on a DPoS project for it at the time, but that never took off for reasons I don't remember.
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20:14:12<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited Zeroshell (+69, Update): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48881&oldid=47648
20:17:12<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited Elwha River Restoration Project (+115, Currently being archived by ArchiveBot.): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48882&oldid=47522
20:18:21<TheTechRobo>arkiver: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ScreenshotsDatabase.com - did you ever finish downloading that?
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