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04:25:35<DiscantX>This site seems to be down. We should back it it up, just in case: https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/1562637688918142976
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04:31:04<Jake>:-)
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06:09:53<pcr>DiscantX: take a look at https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK
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07:39:13<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Deathwatch (+17, /* 2022 */ MapKnitter and SpectralWorkbench…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48827&oldid=48815
07:52:28<@OrIdow6>http://hamsterhideout.com/forum/topic/174351-hamster-hideout-forum-closure/ forum with 1.7m posts shutting down the 25th
07:52:58<@OrIdow6>The poster/"admin" is listed as being in Singapore - midnight of the 26th in ca. 8 hours there
07:55:17<@OrIdow6>Going to AB this myself again, have a bit of time to watch it so hopefully I won't mess things up too catastrophically
07:56:35<Maakuth|m>qwarc was very effective for forums, JAA ^
08:03:06<@OrIdow6>Started and stopped because of notice in the #ab topic saying jobs shouldn't be started
08:03:56<Maakuth|m>if you have a suitable machine (probably not at home), you qwarc it yourself I suppose https://github.com/JustAnotherArchivist/qwarc
08:04:15<@OrIdow6>I am aware
08:11:30<@OrIdow6>Sorry for any trouble that created
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10:50:03<@JAA>OrIdow6: Ah, topic is outdated there, it's fine to start jobs (mostly).
10:50:19<@JAA>I just looked at throwing qwarc at this, but the site seems pretty slow.
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11:57:12<@JAA>Average response times between 3 and 4 seconds, so this won't get far if the site really goes down today, but we'll see.
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15:42:00<tech234a>Heroku will be shutting down their free plan https://blog.heroku.com/next-chapter
15:43:55<tech234a>Also deleting inactive accounts
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16:05:17<tech234a>I would assume a lot of *.herokuapp.com sites will be lost
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18:27:42<@arkiver>lennier1: looks like I can't access kiwifarms.net
18:27:47<@arkiver>down?
18:28:00<@arkiver>tech234a: thanks, i'm contacting them
18:28:02<Jake>It's been going up and down
18:28:13<@arkiver>or does anyone here have contacts with heroku?
18:28:57<Jake>On their Telegram they claimed it was their internal service providers not responding to them.
18:30:32<joepie91|m>wonder whether those "internal services providers" include fiberhub
18:31:15<@arkiver>Jake: talking about kiwifarms?
18:31:21<Jake>yes, sorry
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18:38:26<joepie91|m>anyway, keep in mind that KF has a history of pretending to be down until the storm dies down
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19:13:42<tech234a>Worth noting that projects deployed to Heroku from GitHub create a deploy record that is accessible from GitHub's API
19:14:11<tech234a>For example: https://github.com/mars/heroku-cra-node/deployments which is accessible via the API as https://api.github.com/repos/mars/heroku-cra-node/deployments
19:14:21<tech234a>or by repo ID using https://api.github.com/repositories/80470682/deployments
19:15:21<tech234a>Currently Heroku app names can be up to 30 characters, contain only lowercase letters, numbers, and dashes, and must begin with a lowercase letter
19:15:54<tech234a>Apps created or renamed after 2018-11-28 cannot end in dash
19:16:28<tech234a>because apparently this created invalid hostnames https://devcenter.heroku.com/changelog-items/1525
19:18:44<tech234a>So basically even if discovery isn't possible via Heroku partial discovery might be possible via public GitHub repos
19:50:44<coro>or cert transparency
19:53:12<h2ibot>Tech234a edited Using Heroku (+309, Update for removal of free tier, inactive accounts): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48828&oldid=46991
19:56:50<tech234a>Cert transparency is interesting, but I think Heroku generally uses certificates issued to *.herokuapp.com
19:58:09<tech234a>I could be searching incorrectly though
19:58:39<@JAA>Yeah, that seems to be right, although they did use Let's Encrypt at one point according to a quick search on crt.sh.
19:59:13<@arkiver>do you have an email we can contact for heroku?
19:59:14<@JAA>Interestingly, crt.sh doesn't bring up their current *.herokuapp.com certificate. I wonder why.
20:02:10<tech234a>Doubt this would work too well https://www.heroku.com/policy/support
20:02:18<tech234a>but it does have a support email
20:09:03<@JAA>Regarding hamsterhideout, the site went down at about 13:50. As expected, my qwarc crawl didn't get far, only about 4.3% of thread IDs got covered.
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21:05:23<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Archiveteam:IRC (+233, /* Creating a channel */ Explain #archiveteam…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48829&oldid=48285
21:06:23<h2ibot>Pokechu22 edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine (+100, trib.al link shortener for some reason?): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48830&oldid=48824
21:08:23<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine (-100, Undo revision 48830 by…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48831&oldid=48830
21:09:48<@JAA>Nemo_bis: By the way, your GitLab edit conflicts with the page (that was created just shortly after your attempt), so that's why it's still in the mod queue. Must be merged manually, and that's a messy process on MediaWiki unfortunately.
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21:21:20<Nemo_bis>JAA: not "in MediaWiki", but with the Moderation extension, which is little used for a reason
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21:26:02<Nemo_bis>I get palpitations every time I see that thing
21:29:28<@JAA>Well, yeah, and I agree its interface isn't great. Do you know a better alternative?
21:31:25<Nemo_bis>I would expect good old https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Approved_Revs to be more than enough (I've not tried it recently)
21:33:30<@JAA>Hmm... 'most extensions that retrieve the contents of pages will still get the last revision, and not the approved one (if the two are different).'
21:34:32<Nemo_bis>Yes, that's a feature
21:34:44<Nemo_bis>In practice I don't know why we'd need more than https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
21:35:56<@JAA>Looks like unapproved revisions are also visible to anyone, not just the mods/approvers.
21:36:11<@JAA>Because we get random contributors and don't know what they want to edit at account creation time.
21:36:46<@JAA>The mod extension allows them to make the edit immediately, and then it can be approved when found to not be spam.
21:37:34<@JAA>Admittedly, we get very little spam these days, but it was blocking a lot when we first switched.
21:38:21<Nemo_bis>Random contributors can be rejected if they don't explain themselves (there's a free-text box in the application form)
21:38:40<Nemo_bis>I just realised it's soon 13 years since I last reviewed https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access ^_^
21:39:42<@JAA>Very little meaning zero, basically. Since the beginning of the year, only two accounts have triggered it. One is a legitimate person who makes such poor-quality edits that they're more harm than worth, and the other is a known long-time vandal.
21:39:58<Nemo_bis>With QuestyCaptcha you stave off the random bots and with ApprovedRevs or similar you reduce the incentive for the manual spammers. You need just enough friction for the mechanical turk sort of spam spreader to not be economical
21:40:04<@JAA>I haven't looked at these blocked edits in a long time, surprises me actually.
21:40:18<Nemo_bis>What do you mean by blocked edits?
21:40:35<@JAA>Edits marked as spam by the mod extension
21:40:52<@JAA>Yeah, no, captchas can go to hell.
21:41:23<@JAA>ApprovedRefs is a candidate though I guess. Would need to look into it more.
21:41:33<Nemo_bis>Why, QuestyCaptcha is very friendly
21:47:40<Somebody2>I thought we had *already* been using QuestyCaptcha for a long time?
21:50:01<@JAA>Hmm, it is indeed installed. Not sure how it's configured though.
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21:51:21<Somebody2>JAA: It's just in LocalSettings.php, $wgCaptchaQuestions
21:51:28<Somebody2>See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuestyCaptcha
21:54:09<@JAA>Somebody2: Which I don't have access to. :-)
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22:01:41<Somebody2>heh. Who does, jrwr?
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22:04:02<@JAA>Yeah
22:07:10<@JAA>It might be the captcha on CreateAccount.
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22:31:08<lennier1>arkiver: Kiwi Farms is up for me at the moment. I got one error, but it cleared up when I refreshed.
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