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12:53:38<George>Good afternoon. I'd like to know if there are any tools that will allow me to archive a website that has no directory listings.
12:55:18<Maakuth|m>are there web pages linking to the content?
12:56:11<Maakuth|m>there's no other way than links (either from dir listings or other sort of pages) to know what files are there
12:58:13<Maakuth|m>https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2014/05/02/make-offline-mirror-of-a-site-using-wget/ here's how you can do it with wget. if you want to store it in IA, some folks in this channel could point archiveteam tools to fetch the page
12:58:46<Maakuth|m>but if it's some random filenames in some url and there's no listing
13:01:09<George>So, there are pages on the web archive that used to link to specific files on that server, however since the scripting for those pages doesn't work, it's hard to find the original. Brute-forcing is possible since most filenames follow a pattern, but I'd like to avoid that.
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13:02:17<George>To be more specific, I'm trying to archive the PopCap file server. It is still live, but there's no telling when EA will shut it down, and that's PopCap history.
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13:02:29<Maakuth|m>if you can stay on this channel until the archivists in american timezones wake up, they might be able to help
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13:03:02<George>I'll keep the page open. Thank you.
13:04:16<George>Maakuth|m: Can't use wget, since there are no html pages, as far as I can tell, so no way to know the hierarchy.
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13:44:38<thuban>George: can you explain (specifically) what you mean by "there are pages on the web archive that used to link to specific files on that server, however since the scripting for those pages doesn't work, it's hard to find the original"?
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13:46:21<George>The download button's url is "#", and I don't what script would originally run to generate those links.
13:48:40<thuban>depending on the architecture of the original site, it may or may not be possible to recover those urls from the archived version. if not (and if there are no other sources of listings), you'll have to settle for brute-force enumeration.
13:48:45<thuban>can you link to the archived page(s)?
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13:56:54<George>OK, presumably somewhere here should be a link to a file called "PlantsVsZombiesSetup_20120812.exe", which is the latest build, and presumably (based on archival date) the page should link to this file.
13:57:02<George>http://web.archive.org/web/20121101034342/http://www.popcap.com/games/plants-vs-zombies/pc?mid=view_id%5Blist+popular%5D_page_id%5B1%5D_lang%5Ben%5D
13:57:06<George>http://web.archive.org/web/20120903102403/http://www.popcap.com/games/plants-vs-zombies/pc?mid=view_id%5Blist+popular%5D_page_id%5B1%5D_lang%5Ben%5D
13:58:24<George>Full link: http://static-www.ec.popcap.com/binaries/popcap_downloads/PlantsVsZombiesSetup_20120812.exe
13:59:02<George>Note that while, popcap.com is dead, static-www.ec.popcap.com is still live.
14:01:13<TheTechRobo>George: Where's the download button on that web.archive.org link?
14:02:19<TheTechRobo>George: You can also see what pages on static-www.ec.popcap.com are already archived by the Wayback Machine. http://web.archive.org/web/*/static-www.ec.popcap.com/*
14:02:55<thuban>TheTechRobo: it appears that it would normally be below the summary (#cta), but is hidden due to lack of javascript
14:03:57<George>That's the pages from 2012, which is when most PopCap games got updated, do not seem to have a download button, there's just an empty space where previous copies had that button
14:04:34<George>Here's a grab with a download button, but this will link to an earlier version, which is already archived
14:04:34<George>http://web.archive.org/web/20120204200735/http://www.popcap.com/games/plants-vs-zombies/pc?mid=view_id%5Blist+popular%5D_page_id%5B1%5D_lang%5Ben%5D
14:05:11<George>TheTechRobo: static-www.ec.popcap.com on web archive is not a complete grab.
14:05:37<TheTechRobo>George: I know, but it might help you find example URLs or edge cases or something.
14:08:06<TheTechRobo>Here's the beautified version of some JS that references try_btn (the link with the href of #): https://pastebin.com/1FfUcbb9
14:08:23<George>TheTechRobo: Oh, yeah that's where I got the filename patterns in the first place, the problem here is the latest versions updated in 2011-2012, where they changed the pattern from "GameNameSetup.exe" to "GameNameSetup_Builddate.exe", which means the only way is to try all urls for games for date range 01012011 to 12312012....
14:09:00<TheTechRobo>ah
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14:12:04<George>And that's just the installers, there's also some PDF files (and who knows what else) I'd be interested in archiving. I was wondering if there are any tolls I can use to "analyze" static-www.ec.popcap.com to get the full structure, and get a full backup of the website.
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14:12:21<George>*tools
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14:15:30<thuban>George: based on reading the code (the <script> within the #cta div and popcap_oid.js), the url inserted into the download link would have been extracted from a json api response accessed at popcap.com/popcap_oid/190/11950/trynow/US, but that url was not archived and is now dead
14:16:51<thuban>in the general case, no, it is not possible to enumerate all the files on a remote web server. the best you can do is brute force and educated guessing
14:17:08<@OrIdow6>How recently did the non-"ec" site shut down?
14:17:37<thuban>in this case you've got quite a restructed pattern; why not go for it?
14:17:43<thuban>*restricted
14:17:46<@OrIdow6>Yeah, only a few thousand to try
14:19:09<George>Not sure when it shut down. According to Wikipedia PopCap Studio itself got shut down sometime in 2012, which checks out considering after that it was console and mobile ports galore for PopCap games, don't know how much longer the website survived, though.
14:20:36<@OrIdow6>Oh, obviously that decreases the chance that something that can be used list them all is still up
14:21:03<George>I'll try to come up with a list then feed that list to wget. Would you say 1 minute is a "non-offensive" interval for a server? That'll take me about a week.
14:34:05<thuban>George: honestly, i doubt anybody's looking very hard. if you just use an http HEAD request you can probably get away with little or no delay.
14:35:07<thuban>i just checked plants vs. zombies for all of 2011 and 2012 and only found the one build; was there a list of other games you wanted to try?
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14:37:48<George>Due to the popularity of PvZ, it is known that 20120812 is the latest build. It weird that you only found one build, since there's also PlantsVsZombies_20120801.exe and even some out of pattern ones like PlantsVsZombiesSetup_20110727_2_2.exe PlantsVsZombies_20110922_EN_3_1.exe
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14:39:50<George>So there's no way of telling what other games are named. There were ~40 games on the PopCap page, before they were moved to Pogo and eventually Origin. Interestingly enough, the version of PvZ you get on Origin is not the latest. But but is also true for a lot of other Classic titles on Origin.
14:40:58<thuban>http://static-www.ec.popcap.com/binaries/popcap_downloads/PlantsVsZombiesSetup_20120801.exe 404s. i did not, of course, attempt out-of-pattern files, although the brute-force could be extended to them as well.
14:41:19<George>There's also this on archive.org. I don't really know how the uploader got the filenames for most of these I am also not sure if this is the full set. He seems offline on pretty much every platform.
14:41:19<George>https://archive.org/details/PopCap-Games
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14:43:42<George>It's http://static-www.ec.popcap.com/binaries/popcap_downloads/PlantsVsZombies_20120801.exe
14:44:08<George>So yeah, there's sort of a pattern, but they didn't exactly always follow it.
15:04:01<spirit>http://web.archive.org/web/20121212035005/http://static-www.ec.popcap.com/binaries/popcap_downloads/PlantsVsZombiesSetup_20120812.exe ?
15:04:19<spirit>i simply checked http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://static-www.ec.popcap.com/binaries/popcap_downloads/Plants*
15:04:36<spirit>and then chose an old snapshop from 2012 for that url to get the exe
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15:10:48<George>OK, but if I try this http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://static-www.ec.popcap.com/binaries/popcap_downloads/Zuma*
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15:13:09<George>Notice, there's no file named "ZumaSetup_1_5.exe", while the upload I linked above does, and I have no clue where the uploader got that filename from. So no, we don't have a full listing on web archive.
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15:18:46<George>Also, I used this just to be thorough. !!Warning!! large data.
15:18:47<George>http://web.archive.org/cdx/search/cdx?url=popcap.com/&matchType=domain
15:20:47<@OrIdow6>What do you mean "the upload I linked above does"? Which link was that?
15:21:07<TheTechRobo>OrIdow6: This?
15:21:07<TheTechRobo><George> There's also this on archive.org. I don't really know how the uploader got the filenames for most of these I am also not sure if this is the full set. He seems offline on pretty much every platform.
15:21:07<TheTechRobo><George> https://archive.org/details/PopCap-Games
15:21:16<George>Yes
15:21:26<@OrIdow6>Oh
15:23:05<spirit>ah, files from such uploads rarely end up in the web.archive.org index
15:24:11<George>Yes, I'm just wondering where he even got those filenames from, a lot of those are not on web archive.
15:24:51<@OrIdow6>flashfire42: Know "XXLuigiMario"? Think they would be willing to answer questions about their upload? See above
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15:34:36<spirit>if you are on a hunt for old gaming files, also check out the fileplanet, atomicgamer and gamefront archives
15:34:59<spirit>no idea if there are interfaces for the 2 ladder ones but for fileplanet try https://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/fileplanet/fileplanet.php?filename=PlantsVsZombies
15:35:11<spirit>atomicgamer i could check for you on a full local copy i got
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15:40:33<George>I doubt we'll find these files anywhere else. Specifically the latest builds were uploaded sometime before the studio was shut down. I just doubt they ever made it anywhere other than the main server
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15:43:45<thuban>hey, anyone remember https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/8933 ?
15:44:01<thuban>it totally DOES reproduce if the url it http-only
15:45:35<thuban>*is
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16:44:01<George>Here's a more-or-less complete pattern list:
16:44:01<George>GameName.exeGameName.dmgGameName_DateRange.exe*GameName_DateRange.dmgGameNameSetup.exeGameNameSetup_DateRange.exe*GameNameSetup_1_1.exeGameNameSetup_1_2.exeGameNameSetup_1_3.exeGameNameSetup_1_4.exeGameNameSetup_1_5.exe**GameNameSetup_2_1.exeGameNameSetup_2_2.exeGameNameSetup_2_3.exeGameNameSetup_2_4.exeGameNameSetup_2_5.exe**GameNameSetup_3_1.exe*
16:44:02<George>*GameNameSetupAX.exeGameNameSetup-en.exeGameNameSetup-fr.exeGameNameSetup-de.exeGameNameSetup-es.exeGameNameSetup-it.exe* Where DateRange is 20110101 to 20121231**More if *_5.exe existsWeird filenames:PlantsVsZombiesSetup_20110727_2_2.exe (PlantsVsZombiesSetup_20110727.exe does not exist)PlantsVsZombies_20110922_EN_3_1.exe
16:44:02<George>(PlantsVsZombies_20110922.exe does not exist)Possibly run these as well?
16:44:09<George>aaahhhhh
16:45:05<George>https://pastebin.com/J01xn5aT
16:46:24<George>Oh, and the server is case-sensitive.
16:47:23<thuban>George: i am already running a slightly broader search.
16:47:38<George>Awesome!
16:47:41<thuban>can you give an example of AX? and what do you mean by "More if *_5.exe exists"?
16:48:08<George>I'll post the gamelist in a moment
16:52:10<George>I know these files exist:BejeweledSetupAX.exeInsaniquariumSetupAX.exeZumaSetupAX.exeMore if *_5.exe exists, meaning if GameNameSetup_1_5.exe exists, try GameNameSetup_1_6.exe GameNameSetup_1_7.exe until we get a 404. Same for GameNameSetup_2_1.exe and GameNameSetup_3_1.exe links.
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16:57:37<thuban>hm, ok. i'll have a look at those afterwards. (i'm going very fast, but this will take a while.)
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17:01:30<George>Here's a list of filenames that I know of
17:01:36<George>Filenames: https://pastebin.com/GZ9basgu
17:01:52<George>Patterns: https://pastebin.com/J01xn5aT
17:12:10<thuban>no bookworm adventures?
17:12:24<George>BWA is bookworm adventures
17:15:00<thuban>oic
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17:19:38<George>Well... crap
17:19:40<George>http://static-www.ec.popcap.com/binaries/popcap_downloads/ZumaSetup_FP.exe
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17:27:10<@OrIdow6>What?
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17:45:11<thuban>more weird formats
17:47:31<George>thuban: You got files outside of my format list? And "_FP"?
17:49:51<thuban>George: i have no way of knowing of anything i haven't heard about from you. my "slightly broader" search only involves combining different variants.
17:50:55<George>I see
17:55:00<George>If we could do something like GameName(Setup)_[0-9a-zA-Z] for exe and dmg and give it a pretty generous character limit (say) that would probably cover everything. But, yeah... that would also take forever...
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19:31:04<HiccupJul_>would it be possible to scrape a site using archivebot using login credentials?
19:31:17<HiccupJul_>(my own credentials)
19:31:47<HiccupJul_>redump.org is being neglected by its current owner, he might even let the domain expire, and i think it'd be good to scrape the whole site
19:31:53<HiccupJul_>but a lot of it is behind a login wall
19:32:40<HiccupJul_>i mean i'd be happy to just run something locally - archivebot, wget, whatever
19:33:08<HiccupJul_>i've got a working wget command but i'm not sure how to make it download all pages from redump.org including subdomains, but not download external pages
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19:50:10<spirit>Domain Name: redump.org
19:50:10<spirit>Updated Date: 2021-07-22T09:26:41Z
19:50:19<spirit>what are you referring to?!
19:50:27<spirit>oh
19:50:46<spirit>wrong year
19:50:51<spirit>still, context?
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19:56:57<HiccupJul_>well
19:57:04<HiccupJul_>its a video game disc preservation project
19:57:41<HiccupJul_>it has information on more than 50,000 discs and the site is used to help people make collections of disc images ("ISOs") of these discs
19:59:28<HiccupJul_>https://www.whois.com/whois/redump.org
20:00:05<HiccupJul_>seems like it will expire at the end of the month. nothing to say the admin won't renew it, but he doesn't even speak to the people that maintain the database, so...
20:01:02<spirit>aye redump rules
20:01:09<spirit>maybe ask about it in their forums?
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20:04:35<HiccupJul_>ah well
20:04:46<HiccupJul_>i'm doing this on behalf/in communication with other users
20:05:11<HiccupJul_>the admin is extremely paranoid and uncommunicative, there's no point trying to talk to him
20:05:30<HiccupJul_>but as he's so negligent, its not like he will actually notice or do anything about people scraping the site
20:06:01<HiccupJul_>people are scraping parts of it already, but i want to do a whole-site scrape
20:07:12<spirit>i saw no mention of anything in the forums which seems to be the most reaosnable place?
20:07:50<HiccupJul_>a lot of discussion occurs in the "VGPC" discords, which aren't affiliated but most/many active redump users talk there
20:08:15<HiccupJul_>the admin (irobot) tends to shut down threads that are critical of him
20:08:36<thuban>HiccupJul_: archivebot doesn't save stuff behind login walls, but https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/grab-site is the local equivalent
20:09:14<HiccupJul_>thanks
20:09:43<HiccupJul_>i'll try that instead of wget
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20:11:33<spirit>(discord is a fucking information void and must die)
20:11:42<spirit>ouch, good luck then and thanks for considering the archival!
20:13:01<thuban>(if you'd prefer wget, you should be able to get what you want with the --span-hosts and --domains options)
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20:16:48<HiccupJul_>hm
20:17:03<HiccupJul_>grab-site's usage manual says that --no-offsite-links can prevent subdomain crawling...
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20:18:42<HiccupJul_>but maybe i don't need to use that flag, and grab-site will be sensible and not try and archive the entire web
20:19:47<thuban>uh, hm
20:20:34<TheTechRobo>HiccupJul_: grab-site by default only crawls the offsite links to a depth of 1, i.e. not recursively
20:20:47<HiccupJul_>ah, okay that seems sensible
20:20:51<TheTechRobo>it'll download the offsite pages and requisites
20:20:56<HiccupJul_>great
20:21:04<HiccupJul_>and it won't count subdomains as offsite?
20:21:08<TheTechRobo>you can make it archive the entire web with `--wpull-args=--span-hosts=''` (untested but should work)
20:21:09<thuban>right. but i'm not actually sure whether--
20:21:11<TheTechRobo><HiccupJul_> and it won't count subdomains as offsite?
20:21:17<TheTechRobo>No idea
20:21:25<HiccupJul_>because redump uses a forum and wiki subdomain
20:21:43<TheTechRobo>You can specify multiple start URLs to grab-site
20:21:53<TheTechRobo>If it's only a few domains, just specify all of them
20:21:54<thuban>i _think_ it counts them as onsite
20:22:00<TheTechRobo>thuban: really?
20:22:04<HiccupJul_>yeah i could do that
20:22:10<HiccupJul_>although for all i know, there are other subdomains
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20:22:15<TheTechRobo>To be on the safe side, I'd just specify all of them.
20:22:20<thuban>but that's based on some comments in the docs re tumblr; i'd have to check the wpull code to be sure
20:22:21<HiccupJul_>and no way to know that without crawling, so chicken and egg problem
20:22:33<HiccupJul_>but yeah i will supply all subdomains i know
20:22:39<HiccupJul_>plus a few possibly unlisted pages
20:22:41<TheTechRobo>just explore the site a bit, and see if you find anything else
20:22:59<HiccupJul_>tbh i probably would have heard of it if there was anything else
20:23:07<HiccupJul_>i'm just being extra thorough
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20:25:10<TheTechRobo>HiccupJul_: http://irc.redump.org/ is an Apache default page
20:25:28<HiccupJul_>never heard of that one before
20:26:17<HiccupJul_>although irc://irc.redump.org exists
20:26:24<HiccupJul_>just never tried it with http
20:27:16<TheTechRobo>i just saw it as a subdomain, not as http
20:27:19<TheTechRobo>then I tried with http
20:27:26<TheTechRobo>also http://fc84ebe9582e4be0bac53d5342870c67.redump.org/ exists but is also an apache default page
20:27:41<HiccupJul_>strange
20:28:30<ThreeHM>BTW, I'm running wiki.redump.org through wikiteam for completeness
20:28:50<TheTechRobo>(finding this stuff through subdomain finders)
20:29:04<TheTechRobo>HiccupJul_: also, any invite links to Discord servers so I can archive them? :-)
20:30:36<HiccupJul_>yeah there's a few wikiteam dumps already
20:30:48<HiccupJul_>two on archive.org are mine, but haven't done one for a while so thanks
20:31:05<HiccupJul_>VGPC = Video Game Preservation Collective
20:31:13<HiccupJul_>that's the discord
20:31:39<HiccupJul_>i would give you an invite link, but you might not get in if you say you are there to scrape it
20:31:52<HiccupJul_>but i'll probably scrape it myself tbh
20:32:47<HiccupJul_>what would you recommend for scraping?
20:33:07<spirit>dont scrape with a discord account thats important to you
20:33:11<HiccupJul_>yeah i won't
20:33:16<HiccupJul_>i make throwaways for it
20:33:22<HiccupJul_>you can find the invite by googling anyway if you want to try
20:34:13<HiccupJul_>if it puts you at ease, we don't use the discord like a wiki, instead we use a website run by negligent admin ;)
20:35:13<spirit>:D
20:35:20<spirit>as a negligent admin myself i can relate
20:36:18<HiccupJul_>i'm sure you aren't as bad
20:36:26<HiccupJul_>the fact that you admit it shows your aren't as bad lol
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20:42:58<ThreeHM>Oh fun, my wikiteam upload got detected as malware and deleted again (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
20:44:22<ThreeHM>Now I get to upload it compressed with zip instead of 7z to avoid the false positive, only like 50x the file size this way...
20:44:47<thuban>zst?
20:46:39<HiccupJul_>ah
20:46:45<HiccupJul_>ThreeHM: email IA
20:46:50<HiccupJul_>i got mine restored like that
20:47:23<ThreeHM>thuban: Good idea, that seems to go undetected and it's only double the file size compared to 7z
20:47:49<HiccupJul_>i think even a single detection as anything in virustotal triggers it
20:48:10<HiccupJul_>i think these big zips get detected falsely as zip bombs
20:49:39<HiccupJul_>but you already know that i'm sure
20:49:43<ThreeHM>Yeah, it's a bit paranoid on IA's side IMO. Especially considering how awful most (if not all) antivirus products are
20:50:09<HiccupJul_>yeah it is, luckily they seem to be okay with un-hiding the item if you ask
20:50:51<HiccupJul_>i wonder if there's a virus collection on archive.org...
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20:52:04<HiccupJul_>plus i think its valid to keep viruses, if that data is part of a CD-ROM or site or something
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20:52:38<HiccupJul_>within reason, so probably only old viruses
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21:04:12<HiccupJul1>now using thelounge
21:04:43<HiccupJul1>HiccupJul will eventually auto-disconnect i guess
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21:12:46<TheTechRobo>HiccupJul1: I won't say I'm scraping :-)
21:12:55<TheTechRobo>HiccupJul1: The scraping tool I use is https://github.com/Sanqui/discard2
21:13:08<TheTechRobo>plus https://github.com/TheTechRobo/discord-urls-extractor for extracting urls
21:14:53<TheTechRobo>#discard for more discussion
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21:17:36<thuban>i now think i was wrong earlier, but the wpull code is too abstracted for me to be certain.
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21:18:11<TheTechRobo>thuban: what do you mean by abstracted?
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21:20:02<thuban>sessions, factories, delegation, etc etc
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21:21:27<thuban>(i spent at least five minutes just trying to figure out what called the span-hosts filter in the first place; turned out it was in URLFiltersPostURLImportSetupTask instead of URLFiltersSetupTask)
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21:42:50<thuban>JAA: wpull (and therefore grab-site/archivebot) considers foo.example.com to be a _different_ hostname from example.com and therefore does _not_ by default recurse into it from a starting url on example.com (except for page requisites and single links as are normally permitted offsite),
21:43:21<thuban>_and_ although `--domains example.com` will whitelist foo.example.com (and indeed all other subdomains), it still won't be recursed into without also setting `--span-hosts`, which is incompatible with `--span-hosts-allow`, so the normal behavior of permitting offsite page requisites and single links will be disabled by `--domain`,
21:43:32<thuban>_so_ the best way of getting both example.com and foo.example.com recursively is just to supply them both as starting urls in the same crawl.
21:43:35<thuban>is that correct?
21:56:12<thuban>s/`--domain`/`--domains`/
21:58:02<@JAA>thuban: The first part sounds correct, yeah. The conclusion is not though. If you do that, any link from example.com to foo.example.com or vice-versa will be considered off-site, and it won't recurse further on those URLs, so you may miss large swaths of both sites. I think your desired behaviour is only possible with a custom accept_url hook.
21:59:10<@JAA>(On that note, there's no special-casing of 'www' either; example.com and www.example.com are different domains as well.)
22:04:01<thuban>huh, ok. i'm a bit confused, though:
22:08:42<thuban>the SpanHostFilter is constructed (https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull/blob/develop/wpull/application/tasks/rule.py#L93) with multiple hostnames from the initial URLTable (https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull/blob/develop/wpull/database/sqltable.py#L226), and its test() method checks whether the url's hostname matches _any_ of them
22:08:44<thuban>(https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull/blob/develop/wpull/urlfilter.py#L239).
22:08:58<@JAA>Look at the ParentFilter.
22:09:24<@JAA>See also: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull/issues/373
22:09:47<@JAA>Er no, not ParentFilter.
22:09:55<thuban>yeah, i was about to say
22:10:14<@JAA>It is the SpanHostFilter, yes.
22:10:17<thuban>^ what is that query actually getting, if not hostnames from multiple start points? (why can it return multiple hostnames at all?)
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22:13:32<thuban>((the obvious thing to do here is just run it and _see_ what it does, but i don't happen to have a random subdomain handy...))
22:14:12<@JAA>Yeah, it should return all hostnames of the initial URLs.
22:14:17<@JAA>all unique hostnames*
22:14:46<@JAA>So actually, it might work the way you want. I thought it didn't, but maybe that was something else.
22:15:23<@JAA>I think I observed such things with AB; perhaps that's something in the AB plugin rather than wpull.
22:17:23<thuban>_huh_
22:18:17<HiccupJul1>sounds like i need to find a small site with a subdomain and try it out...
22:18:19<@JAA>I'm not sure you can combine it with --domains though. You'd need every relevant domain in the initial URLs.
22:18:36<@JAA>Else SpanHostsFilter would still get hungery and eat those.
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22:23:34<thuban>not sure what you mean
22:24:08<Ruk8>Hello everyone! Sorry if this is not the right place to discuss this topic, I'm an Italian wanna-be archivist and I'ts my first time here.
22:24:44<thuban>hello Ruk8, what's on your mind?
22:24:50<@JAA>thuban: Starting a crawl from https://example.org/ with `--domains example.org` without `--span-hosts-allow` will not let it recurse through subdomains because those do not appear in the initial URL hostnames and thus get kicked out by SpanHostsFilter.
22:25:37<@JAA>Er, with --span-hosts-allow I think. A bare --span-hosts would probably work (and also recurse all over the rest of the web).
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22:26:41<thuban>JAA: yeah, that's what i said https://hackint.logs.kiska.pw/archiveteam-bs/20220725#c323963
22:27:00<@JAA>Yeah, I'm just confused and tired. Better don't listen to me right now. :-)
22:27:37<Ruk8>Recently, I took an archive of all the public Adobe downloads (yeah, they still exist, mainly for enterprise costumers, not the CC the be clear) that are not present and cannot be crawled by the the Internet'archive's savepage now service. The archive is approximately 60 GB and I'm wondering how can I upload that to the internet archive and, more
22:27:38<Ruk8>importantly, making the archive indexable by the wayback machine.
22:27:58<Ruk8>(60 GB uncompressed)
22:28:12<Ruk8>I read you need to be whitelisted to do that
22:28:29<@JAA>thuban: A crude workaround would be to use --span-hosts with --accept-regex like ^https?://([^/]*\.)?example\.org(:\d+)?/ to emulate --domains and spanning only within the domain.
22:28:57<thuban>JAA: lol. get some sleep
22:29:29<@JAA>I will, as soon as the room cools down enough to be able to. ._.
22:29:57<thuban>(the regex is both amusing and mildly evil, but still wouldn't grab 'offsite' page reqs)
22:31:34<@JAA>Correct. I think that behaviour can only be achieved with an accept_url hook which would effectively reimplement wpull's filters in a different way.
22:32:16<@JAA>Oh yeah, the regex also won't catch URLs with an auth part, so ehh. :-)
22:33:42<@JAA>^https?://([^/]*[@.])?example\.org(:\d+)?/
22:34:16<thuban>if by "that behavior" you mean recursing into subdomains, i think my original suggestion of supplying both domains as start points was correct! in fact in #373 it's exactly the behavior you're complaining of.
22:35:11<@JAA>'That behaviour' = start from only example.org without specifying all subdomains (because you might not even know all of them?) but recursing through them while also retrieving page requisites from other domains.
22:36:23<@JAA>(Or start from a subset of all subdomains and following/recursing based on links or whatever. Anything that isn't a complete list of the subdomains.)
22:36:37<thuban>oic. yes, you're quite right about that.
22:36:52<HiccupJul1>for my use case, would it be okay to use --input-file and in that file, put redump.org, forum.redump and wiki.redump.org
22:37:03<HiccupJul1>(assuming there are no other subdomains)
22:37:07<HiccupJul1>?
22:37:39<HiccupJul1>i guess that would work
22:37:50<HiccupJul1>but if it encountered secret.redump.org, it wouldn't traverse far into that
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22:38:15<Jake>Ruk8: typically only very specific users get their WARCs into the Wayback Machine. Do you have a list of URLs we could archive through #archivebot maybe?
22:38:28<Ruk8>Sure
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22:39:15<Ruk8>Can I DM u the list?
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22:40:20<thuban>Ruk8: anything that goes through archivebot will end up public.
22:40:45<@JAA>HiccupJul1: If you use --span-hosts-allow with that, yes, I think that's right.
22:40:54<Ruk8>Yeah, I asked that only to not flood the chat xD
22:40:59<thuban>if you're just concerned about the file transfer, may i suggest transfer.archivete.am?
22:46:25<Ruk8>Done, here the url list: https://transfer.archivete.am/cVM94/adobe_framemaker_archive_urls.txt
22:49:28<HiccupJul1>JAA: why would you need --span-hosts-allow ?
22:50:01<@JAA>Ruk8: Thanks, I've thrown it into ArchiveBot.
22:50:46<@JAA>HiccupJul1: To enable the SpanHostsFilter, which allows recursing across sites. You specifically want the -allow one because I assume you don't want to crawl the entire internet.
22:51:38<thuban>HiccupJul1: this is not necessary for your use case; it is automatically set by grab-site.
22:52:07<@JAA>Ruk8: You can monitor the progress on http://dashboard.at.ninjawedding.org/ (job dnszlwttejc3iypadr3o0rdxi). When it finishes, it will show up in the Wayback Machine usually within a couple days.
22:54:09<@JAA>HiccupJul1: Sorry, didn't read the entire backlog, only thuban's question. Yeah, grab-site sets that already for you.
22:56:24<HiccupJul1>ah
22:56:38<HiccupJul1>okay so just grab-site pointed at a list with each (sub)domain is fine? great
22:56:50<HiccupJul1>i'll set that running soon tonight
22:57:47<@JAA>Probably hopefully maybe :-)
22:58:01<HiccupJul1>well, i'll be sure to explore the site once its done
22:58:09<HiccupJul1>explore the mirror
22:58:42<Ruk8>Thanks everyone for the support
22:59:39<thuban>HiccupJul1: you may or may not also wish (after consulting your conscience with regard to the login wall) to upload the result to archive.org--not everything has to be in the wbm to be useful
22:59:48<thuban>Ruk8: you're very welcome!
23:00:00<Ruk8>I'm happy to have given my contribution
23:04:13<TheTechRobo>Ruk8: thanks :-)
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23:09:50<HiccupJul1>ah yeah i will be uploading to IA
23:10:26<HiccupJul1>and there are plans for a new site if redump goes kaput
23:13:10<HiccupJul1>(by redump users)
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