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| 02:30:11 | | Topic: Lengthy ArchiveTeam-related discussions, questions here | Offtopic: #archiveteam-ot | https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1069715869994020867 |
| 02:30:11 | | Topic set by JAA at 2021-11-02 03:43:57Z |
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| 04:26:40 | <pabs> | someone who died: https://twitter.com/thomas_lord https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dasht https://lwn.net/Articles/901807/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32155067 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/user/3938/track https://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2022-06-26/article/49837 https://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2022-06-26/article/49843?headline=Berkeley-s-Loss--Becky-O-Malley |
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| 05:29:46 | <tech234a> | update regarding Nintendo 3DS/Wii U eShop, unsure if anything can be done about this https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/57847#s1q6 |
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| 11:50:46 | <ant> | heya, following up on a convo from a night or two ago |
| 11:51:17 | <ant> | re: viewing warc'd yahoo groups data |
| 11:52:52 | <ant> | just posted a script i wrote that makes the warc'd YG api responses a little easier to work with https://github.com/coolwebfriend/ygWarcToJson/blob/main/ygWarcToJson.py |
| 11:56:31 | <ant> | just noticed the resulting file is somehow larger than the warc, lol |
| 11:56:54 | <ant> | but more readable, i think |
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| 12:26:16 | <systwi> | ^ Pinging audrooku|m, Doranwen and anthony (MIA). |
| 12:26:46 | <systwi> | Hope you don't mind, just thought you might want to see in case you miss it. |
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| 14:31:49 | <hey> | Was wondering how I can search archived videos? |
| 14:31:50 | <hey> | https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Google_Video_(Archive) |
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| 15:19:28 | <Void0> | regarding the project you linked, would it be easier to just backup the books portion which is what the lawsuit is directing? |
| 15:20:22 | <systwi> | It would, in theory. Checking them out would be a challenge, as I believe one account can only check out up to 5-10 books at a time. |
| 15:21:48 | <systwi> | There was talk here about the lawsuit and the potential for grabbing the eBooks around the time the news broke, but I don't know if much has come of it since. |
| 15:22:16 | <systwi> | There's probably a...somewhat...easy way of downloading a bunch of them in bulk, but I don't know what it could consist of. |
| 15:22:23 | <systwi> | s/could/might/ |
| 15:24:42 | <systwi> | Sanqui: Makes it difficult that Jason isn't on IRC/doesn't appear to help with projects as frequently anymore. |
| 15:24:42 | <@Sanqui> | <@Sanqui> backing up archive.org is likely the one thing beyond our capabilities |
| 15:24:42 | <@Sanqui> | <@Sanqui> we tried, and we should try again, but there needs to be a solid technological stack, and that's still looking grim five years later |
| 15:25:10 | <@Sanqui> | systwi: Jason needn't be involved for the most part. He formulated the requirements last time & they still apply, should a promising solution crop up I'm sure he would provide the support he is able to. |
| 15:26:55 | <systwi> | I understand. AFAIK I wasn't in the scene back at that time, if this was 2016. |
| 15:27:11 | <Void0> | thank you! i also reached out to the person behind the project to archive z-lib to see if they could help out. i agree the issue is the limits on how many books can be taken out by an account |
| 15:27:22 | <systwi> | I thought, who else would know optimal ways of scraping IA than him. |
| 15:27:27 | <Void0> | also my lack of programming/coding skills |
| 15:27:38 | <systwi> | *better than him; if that makes sense. |
| 15:28:09 | <Void0> | ^ 100% i'd be curious how much data the books take vs the whole archive |
| 15:28:36 | <Void0> | https://www.inputmag.com/culture/internet-archive-copyright-concession-publisher-lawsuit most recent news on the lawsuit |
| 15:28:40 | <@Sanqui> | I'm not sure he can even formally give support for "scraping" the books. Because the whole shtick is that IA is legally only allowed to lend these out, and even there they're on thin ice. |
| 15:28:42 | <systwi> | The furthest I've been able to do WRT eBook saving was done, probably back in 2016, checking out about 20 books manually and stripping their DRM (which is pretty easy to do). |
| 15:29:26 | <systwi> | Right, right. It's tricky. :-/ |
| 15:32:05 | <Void0> | understood, yea sounds like a tricky situation. thanks for the perspective Sanqui |
| 15:37:51 | <systwi> | Semi-related, but if only the TPB founders were able to purchase Sealand, that would have probably helped us in some way WRT the whole grey-area mess of storing/mirroring it all, even though it's pretty small land. |
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| 15:54:30 | <Doranwen> | systwi: I did a bit of the checking out and stripping DRM but I'm not able to do that anymore |
| 15:55:07 | <Doranwen> | especially now that most are "only check out for an hour" |
| 15:55:12 | <systwi> | I haven't tried it since so it might be patched by now. :-L |
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| 15:55:30 | <systwi> | An hour? I've been falling behind. |
| 15:55:33 | <Doranwen> | I did, however, set up a Python script (my first!) to automate taking screenshots of each page, and some basic bash scripts that will crop those screenshots with a little manual tweaking, so it *is* possible to turn even that into a usable book |
| 15:55:45 | <Doranwen> | yeah, that happened summer of 2020 with the first lawsuit issues, iirc |
| 15:56:37 | <Doranwen> | the only real limitation with my method is the size of one's screen, really |
| 15:56:48 | <Doranwen> | if I had a bigger monitor it would be helpful with the larger-sized books, ah well |
| 15:58:13 | <systwi> | I had to do something similar for a college textbook I _had_ to purchase, only online (digitally), through a crappy online-only viewer. Prints would plaster your email address into the page, scale it down to like a 600x200 image (or something like that, basically a thumbnail) and limit you to five pages/day. |
| 15:59:06 | <Doranwen> | and it's not that fast - taking into account the time to screenshot the entire thing, restart/fix missing/errored pics due to Internet glitches, and then adjust the auto-cropping script for different sections because suddenly the book shifted positions on the screen |
| 15:59:18 | <systwi> | Screenshotting each and every page was the only way to go. I went the more jank way of simulating keypresses for several hours. |
| 15:59:19 | <@Sanqui> | Look up Puppeteer or Playwright (latter has a Python API). Lets you run a browser headlessly and subsequently take screenshots at arbitrary resolutions. |
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| 15:59:37 | <Doranwen> | the end result does look pretty nice, though, and at least I don't have to manually take screenshots |
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| 16:00:00 | <Doranwen> | just check the book out, maximize screen view, pull up the script, input the number of pages, and let it do its thing |
| 16:00:20 | <systwi> | Thanks Sanqui, maybe I'll try that again as the screenshots suffered from the same problem as Doranwen (low screen resolution). |
| 16:00:59 | <Doranwen> | I don't think I want to deal with that - but fortunately few of the books I was trying to look at *needed* a big screen resolution |
| 16:01:51 | <Doranwen> | if you do get that working, systwi, and want to screenshot one or two for me, let me know XD I'll be happy to share anything I've come up with though you could probably set up what I have pretty easily (I had to get some major help from some users to get the scripts working as I'm not that good at writing those) |
| 16:03:43 | <systwi> | Certainly, will keep you in mind when I do that again. Probably won't be for a while because of school, (_very_) limited disk space, etc. |
| 16:03:53 | <systwi> | But it's on that to-do list for sure. |
| 16:04:28 | <Doranwen> | I processed only a few dozen that way - and have over 350 that I took screenshots of but haven't had time to finish the processing |
| 16:04:50 | <Doranwen> | mostly because I wanted to read them but I hate dealing with that viewer thing |
| 16:08:23 | <systwi> | I understand. |
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| 16:42:27 | <beluga> | Note: moms are removing their daughters TikTok’s due to an incident https://www.dailydot.com/irl/wren-eleanor-exploitation-tiktok/?amp |
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| 16:47:33 | <beluga> | https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/4012 If you wanna archive tiktok comments this page has resources about it. Comments are a paged json file and replies are a linked paged json file |
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| 17:31:55 | <thuban> | systwi: sealand was a publicity stunt, not a serious legal stratagem (it hasn't even been in international waters since 1987) |
| 17:33:47 | <thuban> | also, i'm not saying @ me if you need drm stripped, but friends don't let friends take hundreds of screenshots of text |
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| 18:05:31 | | Topic: Lengthy ArchiveTeam-related discussions, questions here | Offtopic: #archiveteam-ot | https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1069715869994020867 |
| 18:05:31 | | Topic set by JAA at 2021-11-02 03:43:57Z |
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