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04:59:00<NotMichael>Oh, hey.
04:59:26<NotMichael>Does anyone happen to be online at the moment?
05:00:23<systwi>systwi is currently online at the moment.
05:00:57<NotMichael>I actually happen to have a question if that's fine.
05:01:05<Jake>Just ask the question :)
05:01:08<NotMichael>Alright lol
05:01:12<systwi>Sure, no need to ask.
05:01:27<NotMichael>I was wondering if anyone's happened to archive pages from Steam Greenlight back in the early days of around 2013/2014?
05:01:29<systwi>A common saying on IRC, "no need to ask to ask, just ask!"
05:01:56<systwi>I haven't, personally. I wasn't a member of ArchiveTeam that long ago.
05:02:04<NotMichael>Ah, alright.
05:02:25<Jake>I wasn't either, but it doesn't appear we did a project for Greenlight, were you looking for a specific page?
05:02:35<NotMichael>Yes, I was actually.
05:02:43<NotMichael>It's specifically a really old version OF a specific page.
05:03:05<NotMichael>Happened to ask on the off-chance anyone happened to have it somewhere.
05:03:17<Jake>Have you checked the Wayback Machine?
05:03:22<NotMichael>Yup.
05:03:25<NotMichael>Absolutely COMBED through it.
05:03:26<NotMichael>Like
05:03:30<NotMichael>all possible links.
05:03:35<systwi>Similarly, do you have a link to where the page used to be?
05:03:45<NotMichael>Oh no, it's definitely still up.
05:03:51<NotMichael>The CONTENTS however have changed drastically.
05:03:57<systwi>Ahh, gotcha.
05:04:23<NotMichael>Would you still like the link?
05:04:43<Jake>I'll take a look!
05:04:47<NotMichael>Nice.
05:04:49<Jake>Are you looking for something specific on a capture?
05:04:51<NotMichael>It's this Indie Game.
05:04:53<NotMichael>Yes, actually.
05:04:55<systwi>Sure.
05:05:05<NotMichael>I'm looking for old videos and screenshots from an older version of this game's Steam Greenlight page.
05:05:05<NotMichael>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92952101
05:05:17<NotMichael>Back during the early days of this game's development, it showed mostly blockout videos, and a much older steam greenlight video.
05:05:21<NotMichael>None of which survived to the modern day.
05:05:56<NotMichael>The game was MUCH different back then, too.
05:06:43<NotMichael>The developer also originally uploaded progress videos showcasing what got added, what was polished, etc. Much like above, they were all eradicated pretty much.
05:07:10<systwi>Huh, I didn't know A Hat in Time was that old.
05:07:26<NotMichael>It initially started as a Summer Project that someone ended up making for fun.
05:07:33<NotMichael>Then it turned into what it is today.
05:07:42<Jake>This looks a little too polished for a blockout, https://web.archive.org/web/20130530225704/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPMj_4czU1U (don't mind the big error message, the playback window works.)
05:07:53<NotMichael>Nope.
05:07:58<NotMichael>Not what I was referring to
05:08:08<NotMichael>I mean the MUCH older videos.
05:08:12<NotMichael>From like, 2012, early 2013.
05:08:22<NotMichael>I actually have youtube URLs of them.
05:08:28<systwi>Hmm, yeah, haven't had much luck looking. :-/
05:08:36<NotMichael>However I don't think they'd be that much useful.
05:08:38<systwi>Oh, can you post those?
05:08:41<NotMichael>sure thing.
05:09:12<systwi>I'm assuming those were dead around 2013/2014 also, right?
05:09:33<systwi>*2012/2013
05:09:34<NotMichael>oh yeah.
05:09:34<NotMichael>The dev totally NUKED all the old content.
05:09:57<NotMichael>This is a LONG list.
05:10:12<systwi>Can you drop the URLs into a 0bin.net paste?
05:10:14<NotMichael>So i'll just send it using some other site instead.
05:10:16<NotMichael>sure thing.
05:10:24<systwi>Cool, thanks.
05:10:27<NotMichael>I'm in a group that's attempting to search for these, too.
05:10:32<NotMichael>Some of those were "veterans" technically.
05:10:35<NotMichael>Been around since 2012.
05:10:37<systwi>LostMediaWiki? :-)
05:10:39<NotMichael>However no luck.
05:10:40<NotMichael>Nope.
05:10:46<NotMichael>It's more like an independant group
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05:14:20<NotMichael>https://0bin.net/paste/jv-UFyZ3#r8zYOk0wtp4YVifN6fcOWhKIFs9cv0Zal53G-uqUD8x
05:14:22<NotMichael>Here you go.
05:14:25<NotMichael>This is a LONG list.
05:14:38<NotMichael>These are all videos from Late 2012 to Early 2013.
05:14:48<NotMichael>the "UDKGame" set of videos are the earliest known ones.
05:15:35<NotMichael>Finding these are like finding a very tiny needle in a haystack that stretches on endlessly.
05:15:48<NotMichael>At least that's what it FEELS like.
05:17:31<@JAA>Rehosted: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/gDx8Z/A%20Hat%20in%20Time%20-%20Lost_Dead%20Video%20URLs.txt
05:18:29<systwi>Thanks JAA, I should've suggested that to begin with. :-/
05:20:36<systwi>NotMichael: I'll check through the list and see what comes up. Feel free to mention my name later on if I don't respond back with any update (I am kind of swamped as it is).
05:21:00<Jake>I've done a bit of checking on about the first half, WBM doesn't seem to have most of it.
05:21:10<systwi>Ah, okay. :(
05:21:24<NotMichael>Yeah. Finding these videos are a complete nightmare.
05:21:44<NotMichael>Lucky to find a couple of them but a lot of them are still missing.
05:24:30<systwi>"A Hat in Time - Eye Spin! - HdNr5TKgCT" - The YouTube ID is missing a character.
05:24:34<NotMichael>it is?
05:24:39<NotMichael>one moment.
05:24:43<systwi>IDs are 11 characters long, yes.
05:24:54<systwi>*video IDs
05:25:04<NotMichael>there's a lowercase c at the end that I forgot to type out.
05:25:10<systwi>Ah, okay, thanks, no worries.
05:25:24<NotMichael>Well, i'll be off for now.
05:25:41<systwi>Bye o/
05:25:42<NotMichael>Make sure to mention me if anything happens to be found. Even if it's rather small.
05:25:53<systwi>Will do.
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06:17:47<@OrIdow6>masterX244: What is the "software part"? I don't see anything of that name on the homepage. Is this insider info on the shutdown or is it public somewhere?
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06:19:44<@OrIdow6>Also, look like there have been some AB jobs over the years, with luck the section in question will be mostly covered
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06:19:54<@OrIdow6>s/mostly //
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06:24:19<masterX244>Prototopia retro (and unfortuately hidden behind login since a while the rest with newer releases)
06:24:27<masterX244>Got the info from their discord
06:25:19<masterX244>Builddb can be affected, too.
06:26:09<masterX244>@everyone good news, OG will remain alive after all, but with drastic changes.
06:26:10<masterX244>I've managed to talk a former staff member to come back and run OG, but under the agreement all software aspects must be dropped from here/site.
06:26:10<masterX244>The site will continue to focus on hardware, preservation and restoring hardware but software aspects will be removed fully.
06:26:10<masterX244>All file Discord channels will be exported, and deleted over the next few days. The backups will be shared clearly.
06:26:10<masterX244>This clearly hinders Tera Release 3, which will have it's link dropped elsewhere next week and not on OG itself. The above plans basically mirror the original plans just with someone we know is trusted.
06:26:15<masterX244>Orig8
06:26:30<masterX244>original announcement there
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06:42:15<@OrIdow6>What's hidden behind a login? I can access https://www.obscuregamers.com/forums/prototopia-retro.65/ just fine
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07:32:27<masterX244>there is a "Prototopia (Newer Downloads)" hidden for newer console generations
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07:42:18<@OrIdow6>I see
07:43:10<@OrIdow6>As you probably know Archiveteam generally doesn't get stuff behind logins like that, if you want we can give you guidance on how to do it yourself (and/or people may volunteer to do it unofficially)
07:43:30<@OrIdow6>Do you know why it's private? Could there be a chance they could make it public briefly for us to archive?
07:44:03<@OrIdow6>Also looks like all? the hosting is in external places (a lot on archive.org, as a matter of fact), which may need to be dealt with as well
07:45:00<masterX244>Was to stay under the radar of the big publishers. Good thing is that the owner pulls a backup before zapping it. poked on the discord after relaying the shutdown here
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08:28:03<@OrIdow6>Alright, thanks
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13:15:33<NotMichael>Forgot that exiting the tab did that.
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13:20:42<NotMichael>Anything interesting been found from that list while I was gone?
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13:34:12<NotMichael>Also, for those interested, there's a screenshot or two from the UDKGame Era that DID end up getting found a while back.
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14:17:28<TheTechRobo>NotMichael: I didn't find anything
14:17:40<TheTechRobo>I don't know about anyone else, though.
14:17:50<TheTechRobo>I was searching through IA youtube-<ID> items.
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14:24:36<NotMichael>Ah, alright.
14:24:52<NotMichael>If anything interesting happens to get found, make sure to mention me.
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15:35:33<@JAA>masterX244: If there's a way to join their Discord (the link on the site is expired), #discard to get an independent dump would be a good idea.
15:39:45<@JAA>Ah, one needs an account and then link it to Discord 'due to abuse'.
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15:40:31<TheTechRobo>JAA: It's possible that's just for sending messages. Many servers do that - you can lurk there, but not send messages.
15:40:49<@JAA>TheTechRobo: There is no invite link though.
15:40:59<@JAA>https://www.obscuregamers.com/pages/discord/
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17:22:41<masterX244>they had to zap a few channels on the discord alredy but they discord-chat-exported them and their attachments though.
17:22:41<masterX244>https://mega.nz/file/uNsQwI6A#dsDnOSYdmZWJz-PMar3hIGiLDEB7cb4Uxv0BZD6ZhRo
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17:53:02<NotMichael>There's been an attempt to actually email Wayback Archive to see if anyone happened to have those videos archives somewhere that we just haven't looked, yet only received a bot reply sadly.
17:53:16<NotMichael>This was about a couple months ago.
17:53:36<NotMichael>Wonder if there's anywhere I HAVEN'T tried looking at this point
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18:03:07<thuban>systwi, did you check the #youtubearchive stash for the videos NotMichael's looking for?
18:03:16<thetechrobo_>masterX244: We have a much better way of scraping Discord servers. I'm in the process of joining the server to archive it.
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18:03:20<thetechrobo_>thuban: Wouldn't they be too old...?
18:03:32<thetechrobo_>NotMichael: When were these old videos removed?
18:03:53<NotMichael>These videos were removed sometime during 2013.
18:03:57<NotMichael>no wait
18:03:57<masterX244>they already zapped the channels though. the rar contains those special channels that had to be cleared ASAP
18:03:58<NotMichael>actually-
18:04:00<thuban>i'm not 100% familiar with when that project came online / under what conditions stuff gets moved to IA
18:04:07<thuban>but it wouldn't hurt to check
18:04:09<NotMichael>The OLDEST videos got removed in 2013.
18:04:15<NotMichael>More later development videos got removed around uhh
18:04:17<NotMichael>2015/2016.
18:05:52<NotMichael>Someone sent a backup link of the Missing/Deleted Videos List but sadly I ended up disconnecting so I don't have it saved.
18:06:49<thetechrobo_>masterX244: Yes, but the rest of the server is still endangered. Acquisitions don't always end well.
18:07:11<NotMichael>although I DO have a link.
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18:11:05<NotMichael>https://0bin.net/paste/jv-UFyZ3#r8zYOk0wtp4YVifN6fcOWhKIFs9cv0Zal53G-uqUD8x
18:11:05<NotMichael>This is a list of videos that are from late 2013 to early-mid 2013.
18:11:06<NotMichael>*2012
18:11:06<NotMichael>Finding these are nearly impossible.
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18:14:01<NotMichael>I've even looked through some rather obscure sites.
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19:38:50<systwi>thuban, NotMichael:
19:38:57<systwi>Woops, sorry, too early.
19:39:35<systwi>I was going to check #youtubearchive, it was on my list of places to check. I formatted the list and pasted it all in, 0 captures on everything. :(
19:43:28<NotMichael>rip.
19:43:30<NotMichael>absolute agony
19:43:32<NotMichael>pain, perhaps
19:43:49<NotMichael>Wait, question.
19:44:01<NotMichael>Does steam store youtube videos on their greenlight pages for instance?
19:44:02<systwi>I also just checked https://archive.org/details/youtube-xxxxxxxxxxx, which it sounds like TheTechRobo also did, and found nothing. :(
19:44:03<NotMichael>Like, embedded?
19:44:41<systwi>It's possible, I'm not sure. I think the URL for those is https://youtube.com/embed/xxxxxxxxxxx
19:44:50<systwi>Or it could be https://youtu.be/xxxxxxxxxxx
19:45:12<NotMichael>I've scoured those permutations
19:45:21<NotMichael>same thing for /v/xxxxxxxx and the like
19:45:33<systwi>Oops, sorry, try prefixing 'www' to the youtube.com URL template.
19:45:49<systwi>Hmm. :-/
19:45:52<NotMichael>Although...
19:46:03<NotMichael>There IS one main video that's likely popular enough that SOMEONE archived it.
19:46:25<NotMichael>And that's the Steam Greenlight Video.
19:46:27<NotMichael>A HAT IN TIME - u_C98nlPwFk
19:46:50<NotMichael>That's like, the holy grail of this search lol
19:47:37<systwi>You could ask on https://old.reddit.com/r/dhexchange, if you haven't already.
19:48:05<NotMichael>Oh.
19:48:15<NotMichael>Exchange?
19:48:21<NotMichael>I don't have any interesting data on me, really.
19:48:57<systwi>Yeah, Data Hoarder Exchange. I mean, it's not necessarily a 'trade,' but more of a "hey, I need this data, does anyone happen to have it?"
19:49:08<systwi>An asking post.
19:49:16<NotMichael>Hoping and praying that I get anything out of this lol
19:49:56<@JAA>systwi: The WBM ignores the www prefix anyway.
19:49:58<systwi>There's also a LostMediaWiki Discord server you could join and ask on, which could get more people to help in the search.
19:50:21<systwi>JAA: Ah, okay, never realised that.
19:50:40<NotMichael>Oh i've tried.
19:50:48<NotMichael>I even asked one of the popular Lost Media youtubers about it I think.
19:50:56<NotMichael>But he's mainly busy so he's sadly never helped out with the search.
19:51:22<@JAA>systwi: It also ignores the scheme and the auth. So you can access anything by madeupscheme://totallyauser:totallymypassword@www.example.org/ in the WBM. It's *great*. /s
19:52:08<NotMichael>What are those letters at the end of a youtube link called?
19:52:15<NotMichael>I ended up forgetting lol
19:53:26<@JAA>NotMichael: Video ID?
19:53:33<NotMichael>yeah, thanks.
19:54:50<systwi>JAA: Heh, wonderful. I guess it's for the ease of use of your average computer user.
19:55:04<@JAA>Yeah
19:55:16<@JAA>Just sad that there's no way (that I know of) to disable it.
19:55:35<@JAA>It makes sense for general use, but sometimes it makes things very annoying.
19:55:39<systwi>But I thought you guys were Internet Archive!!! /s
19:55:45<systwi>:P
19:56:05<TheTechRobo>JAA: Yeah, I know of at least one website where www. and non-www were completely different.
19:56:19<TheTechRobo>The WBM would make that difficult to browse.
19:56:20<systwi>I recall a small handful of sites, too.
19:56:52<systwi>NotMichael: I also checked another IRC channel that interfaces with the Wayback Machine. Did a query on all video IDs to no avail. :(
19:57:02<systwi>I didn't expect much, but thought it might be worth a try.
19:57:09<Ryz>There are unfortunate a few cases between www and non-www websites from my experience :/
19:57:10<@JAA>There are also sites where the auth data is significant, sites where HTTP vs HTTPS vs FTP differs, etc.
19:57:17<NotMichael>I've checked pretty much everywhere.
19:57:25<NotMichael>Including extremely shady youtube bootleg/clone sites.
19:57:28<@JAA>It's almost as if those are different URLs. Who knew?
19:57:29<NotMichael>Every possible URL permutation
19:57:29<NotMichael>etc.
19:57:53<systwi>Drat, sorry. :(
19:57:58<NotMichael>So it seems as if the only way these could ever get found was if someone for some reason archived it way back when.
19:58:09<NotMichael>Which the chances of that are REALLY slim.
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19:58:43<@JAA>Sounds likely, yeah. Or if the ones who originally made them were willing to still share them.
19:59:41<NotMichael>Oh DEFINITELY not.
19:59:54<NotMichael>The original creator had their harddrive fail numerous times during development.
19:59:58<NotMichael>meaning the original videos are LONG gone.
20:00:12<@JAA>What are backups? :-)
20:00:19<@JAA>Who needs those anyway? :-)
20:00:36<NotMichael>Yeah, the creator didn't really uhhh
20:00:39<NotMichael>back things up too well lol
20:00:50<NotMichael>even if he did, his harddrive(s?) ended up failing
20:00:57<NotMichael>so it's pretty much impossible to recover.
20:01:31<NotMichael>Plus he hates his old work.
20:01:32<NotMichael>DESPISES.
20:01:42<NotMichael>which I don't see what the big deal is considering most old content was just
20:01:46<NotMichael>blockouts and placeholders galore.
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20:05:09<systwi>More fuel for the fire, wonderful.
20:07:29<@JAA>masterX244: Any idea *when* the Prototopia forums will get wiped? Also, any forums apart from those?
20:08:47<masterX244>not sure, in the next few days according to the posts. and not sure if other parts get scrubbed, too
20:12:43@JAA now playing: Metallica - Sad But True
20:12:51<@JAA>Oops
20:13:00<@JAA>Ack
20:13:10<@JAA>I'll look into archiving the Prototopia forums at least.
20:13:18<@JAA>Won't be in the WBM because of the login requirement.
20:13:43<TheTechRobo>Can ArchiveBot cover the public stuff?
20:14:51<@JAA>Not selectively, just the whole forums (or site).
20:19:53<TheTechRobo>That's what I meant
20:24:29<NotMichael>Oh wow. 3 total likes on the post.
20:24:38<NotMichael>No comments yet, but it's slowly but surely gaining traction.
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20:45:51<masterX244>good to AB the public part, too. part of Prototopia is visible there, too
20:46:19<masterX244>xenonwiki (linked at OG) and the builddb might be endangered, too
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21:10:18<systwi>On the subject of slightly-different URLs really being _different_ URLs, this also applies to URLs ending in a /
21:11:01<systwi>Easiest example is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin versus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin/
21:17:47<NotMichael>Are there any rather obscure youtube permutations, by chance?
21:17:56<NotMichael>such as /v/ or /embed/, etc.
21:18:50<@JAA>NotMichael: These are the ones I have come across: https://gitea.arpa.li/JustAnotherArchivist/little-things/src/branch/master/youtube-extract#L62-L88
21:19:28<@JAA>(Fixed permalink: https://gitea.arpa.li/JustAnotherArchivist/little-things/src/commit/ccf4d678fb50c01cb93fde2d998445805fc02d1a/youtube-extract#L62-L88 )
21:20:15<@JAA>I eventually abandoned this approach of ID extraction from URLs because it's such a mess, so this is certainly not complete.
21:20:19<NotMichael>I wish there was a bot that could just comb the wayback machine for every single instance of these with a youtube video ID of choice.
21:20:28<NotMichael>That would make life incredibly easier
21:20:30<@JAA>But it covers a lot of things.
21:20:43<@JAA>Well, I did extract all video IDs from the WBM index a while ago.
21:21:10<@JAA>https://archive.org/details/youtube_cdx_202111
21:21:31<@JAA>Please annoy arkiver to move it to the appropriate collection already if you want that. :-)
21:21:40<thuban>are you a linkin park fan, JAA?
21:22:11<NotMichael>ah, rip.
21:22:19<NotMichael>wish there was one that was from like 2012.
21:22:22<NotMichael>maybe 2013.
21:22:33<NotMichael>but I don't think many people were doing this stuff back then.
21:22:38<@JAA>thuban: OT, but yeah, I like the earlier albums.
21:22:55<@JAA>NotMichael: That index contains everything that was in the WBM by November, all the way back to the earliest snapshots.
21:23:02<@JAA>If it's not in there, it won't be in the WBM.
21:23:04<NotMichael>oh.
21:23:17<@JAA>If it's in there, something *might* be in there.
21:23:41<@JAA>Still not necessarily easy to find though. I don't think I have the raw data anymore.
21:24:08<@JAA>Well, actually, the raw/ directory contains the raw data. :-P
21:26:44<NotMichael>videos.zst is locked right now.
21:27:42<@JAA>Yep, that's what I meant above, a.rkiver needs to move it to a different collection so it becomes publicly accessible.
21:28:25<NotMichael>So do I just mention them-
21:29:26<NotMichael>what do I even ask lol
21:29:26<NotMichael>ah okay
21:30:37<NotMichael>arkiver: Yo, can you move it into a different collection?
21:31:02<NotMichael>[Insert about 50 messages annoying you here that I cannot bother to write]
21:31:21<@JAA>(... and also the other YouTube items I poked you about months ago :-P)
21:33:43<NotMichael>Now I just gotta wait?
21:34:13<systwi>A classic theme of IRC, yes.
21:34:34<NotMichael>Truly astounding
21:34:35<systwi>They'll see it eventually, mentioning their name should notify them.
21:34:43<systwi>Hehe :P
21:34:49<NotMichael>Thanks for being interested in my dumb little search.
21:35:01<systwi>Dumb? Ahh, come on, I think it's interesting.
21:35:26<NotMichael>Nice to hear.
21:36:02<NotMichael>Only real question is how the hell i'm gonna comb through all this data.
21:36:21<NotMichael>Like, I got tons of time on my hands but not sure HOW to really do it.
21:38:02<systwi>What data is it? A command line tool might make the search a lot easier.
21:38:15<NotMichael>I'm looking for archives of certain videos.
21:38:18<systwi>Oh, that locked archive mentioned earlier, probably.
21:38:21<NotMichael>Or at least try to
21:38:22<NotMichael>yeah.
21:39:39<systwi>I don't know the structure, and I haven't loaded the webpage to see the size, but it might be just a `grep '(videoID_1|videoID_2|...)'
21:39:45<systwi>'
21:40:28<NotMichael>for clarification.
21:40:41<NotMichael>This archive covers everything it's ever captured that's youtube-related until 2021?
21:41:02<NotMichael>I'm trying to explain how this thing works to someone.
21:41:04<systwi>In other words, (with some extra command line magick) you can decompress the entire archive and simultaneously search for all of your video IDs from the output.
21:41:09<systwi>s/search/filter/
21:41:12<@JAA>Fixed rehosted version of https://0bin.net/paste/jv-UFyZ3#r8zYOk0wtp4YVifN6fcOWhKIFs9cv0Zal53G-uqUD8x because 0bin is even worse than I thought: https://transfer.archivete.am/rbvAL/A%20Hat%20in%20Time%20-%20Lost_Dead%20Video%20URLs.txt
21:41:21<NotMichael>thanks
21:41:44<@JAA>(The other file was missing line breaks because 0bin doesn't include those on copying to clipboard or download. WTF is that?)
21:42:21<systwi>JAA: Yeah, was wondering why the line breaks were gone. I thought maybe it was saved with CR terminated strings, only, or something odd like that.
21:42:38<systwi>Nope, no newline terminators at all. :-S
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22:10:47<NotMichael>Quick little update on my post.
22:10:53<NotMichael>Apparently 400 people saw it.
22:11:02<NotMichael>10 upvotes.
22:11:08<NotMichael>I'm actually kind of surprised.
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22:51:59<NotMichael45>Huh?
22:52:04<NotMichael45>Okay guess my name changed
22:52:07<NotMichael45>no idea how it's still in use
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22:54:06<systwi>That happens sometimes, the solution is to wait a couple minutes for the other to disconnect.
22:54:30<systwi>Then you can /nick NotMichael
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22:55:04<systwi>re: old name in use, that happens sometimes, the solution is to wait a couple minutes for the other to disconnect.
22:55:06<systwi>Then you can /nick NotMichael
22:55:11<NotMichael44>ah okay
22:55:12<NotMichael44>thanks
22:55:23<systwi>No problem.
22:55:24<@JAA>You should be able to do that now.
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22:55:34<NotMichael>okay there
22:55:46<NotMichael>now I just need an invite back ig lol
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22:56:08<@JAA>You can just /join #channel if it isn't invite-only. :-)
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