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02:23:48<h2ibot>Arkiver uploaded File:Scratch Logo.png: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=File%3AScratch%20Logo.png
02:59:53<h2ibot>Wickedplayer494 uploaded File:Scratch1.4.png: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=File%3AScratch1.4.png
03:02:54<h2ibot>Wickedplayer494 edited Scratch (+120, Imagery and navbox): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48671&oldid=48651
03:15:14<pabs>might be worth archiving this webOS archive? https://www.webosarchive.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31607318
03:15:52<pabs>its spread over several domains and there are GitHub repos
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05:36:25<drexler>So, is it possible to get a database index of OpenVerse?
05:36:47<drexler>https://rom1504.github.io/clip-retrieval/
05:36:57<drexler>I want to put together a public domain version of LAION 400m
05:37:02<drexler>And that would save a lot of time
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17:00:59<drexler>SketchTheCow, speaking of AI art, you around?
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18:23:49<thuban>i waited too long to archive something i knew might be time-sensitive. now it's gone and i have only myself to blame ._.
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18:24:13<@JAA>[x] I'm in this picture, and I don't like it.
18:27:40<Ryz>More archiving looty <#>;
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19:52:38<drexler>thuban, many such cases lol
19:54:02<thuban>sad!
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21:07:50<@arkiver>thuban: don't beat yourself up too much about it!
21:08:26<@arkiver>it happens unfortunately (I missed blogos.com), let's move on, plenty of other archival jobs to run
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21:53:41<Ryz>More loot to find and archiveeeeeeee
22:11:31<drexler>I'm currently annoyed because WordPress doesn't publish the OpenVerse database index
22:11:49<drexler>Which, if I had and scraped it, would basically be my public domain LAION 400m right there
22:12:14<drexler>And I find this annoying because it's like...it's a Creative Commons backed project, WikiMedia publishes one, why doesn't OpenVerse lol
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22:13:50<drexler>It's especially annoying because the biggest publisher/host of public domain imagery right now is...Flickr
22:13:59<drexler>And we all know Flickr isn't in great financial shape
22:14:41<drexler>If they go without making arrangements for stewardship of the data, we could easily lose one of the most valuable media collections in existence.
22:17:04<drexler>It's triply annoying because search methods were recently invented that are easy to implement and let us much more powerfully search these kinds of collections than we could before using deep learning, so it's not even like the old "eh, who would ever look through it?" argument holds water anymore.
22:22:14<drexler>Like, you can search by image and text using open source models to find things that aren't in a caption for the image at all.
22:22:36<drexler>And with some preprocessing it's lightweight enough to run on CPU
22:23:50<drexler>https://rom1504.github.io/clip-retrieval/ implements this
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22:35:29<drexler>Then if you look at the OpenVerse API https://api.openverse.engineering/v1/#operation/image_search it says in the docs that they are trying to structurally prevent you from downloading the whole database
22:36:06<@arkiver>also ".engineering"
22:36:35<drexler>What? Why? *This is public domain data*, why is WordPress being allowed to build a moat around this, why is Creative Commons allowing it? It's not like Creative Commons needs WordPress to provide search from a technical perspective, you can see the link I just gave you gives you an index over 5 *billion* images.
22:37:06<drexler>In short, this is chickenshit, and I'm pissed.
22:40:09<drexler>arkiver, I didn't even notice that lol
22:43:55<drexler>By contrast, turning this stuff into an ML dataset is probably one of the easier ways to make sure it stays available to the public. Since ML guys will train on the whole 400 million images, raise holy hell if you try to silently wall off access to the full thing, stick the entire dataset up on academictorrents, etc
22:45:17<drexler>It's honestly just a better strategy than giving the whole thing to WordPress and having them pinky promise they won't follow their structural incentives to build a moat.
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