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00:01:02<Jake>Yes, everything times out, pings and HTTP request. Blanket ban on that IP.
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00:17:02<yay>might want to consider starting to download everything before they implement measures to prevent "DOS attempts"
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00:30:52<thuban>JAA: thanks for putting that in! i should probably make a matching pr for the manpage (and one for the config loc...)
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00:32:42<thuban>i don't appear to be banned (on the ip i'm now using) either; possibly the range i was running finished before sysadmin started paying attention
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00:41:49<thuban>yay: i'm hopeful that they won't (sophisticated dos protection seems like a waste of money on a lame-duck site, whereas pulling the plug before the promised shutdown date would be pretty cold)
00:41:54<thuban>but it's a thought.
00:42:35<thuban>arkiver, you mentioned setting up a project; do you want hits as they come in?
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00:43:15<@arkiver>thuban: 'hits'?
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00:44:18<thuban>actual sites to archive
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00:44:49<thuban>(as opposed to urls where there are no sites, 'misses' in the brute-force search)
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01:33:51<ThreeHM>Got banned as well; happened some time after my last crawl finished
01:40:44<Jake>very interesting.
01:44:04<@JAA>My second machine also got banned a couple hours ago.
01:44:50<@JAA>Had only started it there tonight.
01:49:31<TheTechRobo>Haven't really been following the conversation; if there's a command I can run that even me with my slow internet can help, I'll run it :-)
01:49:53<thuban>TheTechRobo: see https://pad.notkiska.pw/p/glencoe
01:53:10<TheTechRobo>thuban: I assume I include the square brackets in the range?
01:53:33<thuban>yep (see curl's manpage for syntax details)
01:54:24<TheTechRobo>claimed a range
01:54:31<thuban>thanks!
01:56:11<thuban>n.b. that there appears to be a memory leak in curl and large ranges may get oom killed.
01:57:10<thuban>i've been sticking to 1e6 urls per curl process--ime that finishes a little too quickly to be convenient, but you can chain a bunch in a bash loop
01:57:11<TheTechRobo>> (you probably didn't mean to claim the whole remaining range)
01:57:16<TheTechRobo>yeah, i fixed it but my internet sucks
01:57:27<TheTechRobo>let me reload
01:58:08<@JAA>Who is geo?
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02:02:14<TheTechRobo>did my claiming of 2610000000-2650000000 go through?
02:02:25<@JAA>Yep
02:02:25<TheTechRobo>hard to tell, it doesn't confirm that my edits went through other than through reloading
02:02:37<TheTechRobo>Thans
02:02:40<TheTechRobo>*thanks
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02:06:25<yay>regarding the curl memory leak: I ran the steps from https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/36450/how-can-i-find-a-memory-leak-of-a-running-process, and the memory dump is many repeated instances of something like
02:06:25<yay>/etc/ssl/certs/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crtSayonara=Dewa_mata.com/dev/null/7.83.1TP/1.http://glencoe.mheducation.com/sites/1973909851/
02:06:39<yay>(mentally insert newlines where appropriate)
02:08:02<Jake>.... that shouldn't be happening.... hahahaha
02:09:57<TheTechRobo>Weird
02:10:02<thuban>it's possible the problem is in openssl rather than curl itself (that's happened before)
02:11:30<TheTechRobo>That would make sense
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02:23:28<TheTechRobo>I got a single timeout but none after
02:23:47<TheTechRobo>or actually, connection reset by peer
02:23:53<TheTechRobo>i can reproduce it, too
02:24:00<TheTechRobo>anyone else get a connection reset here? http://glencoe.mheducation.com/sites/1810526697/
02:24:15<@JAA>Yep
02:24:23<TheTechRobo>Weird.
02:28:34<@JAA>Getting a 404 now.
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02:30:32<TheTechRobo>thuban: what do you mean by "ob1 error"?
02:30:49<Jake>A good test for me was to ping their site, all packets are blocked when you are banned.
02:31:12<thuban>off by one
02:31:31<TheTechRobo>oh
02:31:53<TheTechRobo>fixed
02:37:48<TheTechRobo>that memory leak is really annoying
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02:44:14<yay>JAA: geo is a guy from Discord that I roped into helping
02:46:14<@JAA>Alright, thanks.
02:52:58<TheTechRobo>going to bed, gn all
03:05:35<yay>here I am debugging curl memory leaks :p
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03:57:44<yay>glencoe seems to be becoming a bit sluggish
03:59:21<Jake>Looking at the list, we have more people than ever hitting it, and at 300 requests/s? Somewhat surprised it's survived so far.
04:00:02<yay>pings are erratic, ranging from 70ms to 110ms
04:00:29<@JAA>300? I was doing 7000...
04:00:39<thuban>that's not 300 requests per second, it's 300 requests in parallel. more like--yeah, what JAA said
04:01:00<yay>yeah that's max concurrent connections and not requests/sec
04:02:08<Jake>Yes, my bad. :)
04:03:34<@JAA>I'm really impressed by curl, by the way. I've done 800 req/s before with qwarc on the same machine, but that was with four processors, not one. Though it was full GET requests and also writing to WARC, not just fetching and discarding except for the status code.
04:04:56<yay>I still don't know about the curl memory leak
04:05:02<yay>kinda think it might be openssl now?
04:05:31<yay>all the memory leak detectors I've tried so far report 0B memory usage
04:05:31<Jake>Regardless, still a very impressive amount of requests to be handling for an EOL service :)
04:06:49<@JAA>Indeed
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04:34:11<yay>https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/8933 filed a github issue
04:34:18<@JAA>Jake: On the upper end of your range, cf. the comment below geo's.
04:35:16<Jake>checking.
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05:18:07<Jake>I _think_ I did! Do we have a good way of double checking?
05:21:19<@JAA>I'll add my procedure to the pad.
05:25:31<@JAA>Oh yeah, I actually did it manually at the time. Hold my beer. :-)
05:34:49<@JAA>Jake: There.
05:40:38<Jake>ty. I can't say I used anything like that on OOM to figure out the "true" end, just looked at a hundred or so and found the lowest. (I assumed it was somewhat sequential!) Happy to rerun it if you think we've missed something.
05:42:07<@JAA>It's somewhat sequential, but in my OOM abort case, there was a difference of over 30k IDs between lowest unfetched and highest fetched.
05:42:35<@JAA>Which is only a few seconds worth, naturally.
05:44:15<@JAA>You can adapt the comm comand to display all IDs in the range that are not in the output file quite easily. Just replace the second seq parameter with your perceived end of range and remove the `head -1`.
05:45:02<@JAA>That'll give you a list of IDs within the range you claimed on the list but which are not in the output file. Then a little sed and piping to xargs curl to retry them, I guess.
05:45:52<@JAA>(And then upload a second filtered-* file if there is anything non-404 in those, which is unlikely but you never know.)
05:46:22<Jake>👍will check
05:46:53<yay>it might be worth uploading the entire (compressed!) logs to make sure we didn't miss anything
05:48:12<@JAA>We could do that, I guess. It would be ~25 GiB with zstd -10 from my numbers.
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05:52:26<@JAA>Or something smaller, like a list of attempted IDs.
05:53:00<@JAA>Or everyone can just run that comm command regardless of whether it was an OOM/^C/whatever or not to verify that it's correct before marking a range as done.
05:58:18<Jake>As long as everyone is verifying I don't think we need to waste the space of uploading full logs. I'm off to bed, but I'll check mine first thing tomorrow.
06:05:36<@JAA>Yeah, 25 GiB of almost entirely sequential ints and 404s is quite some waste of space.
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08:00:16<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Tracker (+1773, Add a little history, all discerned through…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48654&oldid=46622
08:03:47<@OrIdow6>FWIW goat.me/goat.at is one of those rare sites that I might be able to do myself
08:03:55<@OrIdow6>I.e. with GNU Parallel and wget-at
08:04:10<@OrIdow6>So will do that tomorrow
08:06:09<@OrIdow6>I suppose I could have done that instead of writing about the history of the tracker, but whatever
08:25:01<@Sanqui>history is important!
08:25:36<@Sanqui>archive team celebrated 13 this year, after all, we already have a fair bit of our own history
08:27:31<@OrIdow6> Yeah, I am glad to have slightly lit up the mostly dark abyss that is that 13 years
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11:19:09<thuban>welp, i'm banned
11:28:45<thuban>(this means i will be unable to do re-runs, if i'm collating. there shouldn't be too many in total; treat them as hits?
11:28:49<thuban>)
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13:59:52<TheTechRobo>> Because of the parallel processing, responses are not received in order, so it will usually be the case that the end of the fully covered ID range is not the highest ID appearing in the output.
14:00:03<TheTechRobo>I don't really see why that's a problem; it's just a little bit of duplication, no?
14:00:39<TheTechRobo>(if you set the start of the range to be the last line of the file when it isn't the highest one)
14:02:32<TheTechRobo>Oh, I see now.
14:03:50<TheTechRobo>Some requests might be incomplete, etc.
14:03:54<TheTechRobo>That makes sense
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14:32:15<TheTechRobo>https://transfer.archivete.am/O4B5L/2610000000-2620000000.tsv.zst for 261-262
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14:36:22<TheTechRobo>that has been verified, btw
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14:43:59<yay>*too
14:44:08<yay>I have another IP though
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16:50:04<@JAA>24 hours later, I'm still banned.
16:53:21<michaelblob>on another note, didn't expect bare metal to be almost 2x faster than a vm when running curl
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18:38:08<yay>you know, it would be funny if I got my school banned by spamming glencoe with curl requests
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18:45:36<TheTechRobo>Somehow still not banned on my VPS
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18:48:04<TheTechRobo>How should I retry "Connection reset by peer" ones? My https://transfer.archivete.am/O4B5L/2610000000-2620000000.tsv.zst only has "connection reset" ones, it seems. Can someone either retry them or give me a command to use?
18:48:40<yay>I think we're retrying them later once we get the bulk of them dome
18:48:45<yay>*done
18:49:14<TheTechRobo>alright
18:56:06<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Tracker (+7, /* History */): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48655&oldid=48654
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19:41:19<@arkiver>JAA: thuban: is it correct 'glencoe' is not on deathwatch page?
19:41:44<@arkiver>shutdown is 30 june according to https://pad.notkiska.pw/p/glencoe, but no mention on deathwatch page
19:41:53<@JAA>Yeah, appears to be missing.
19:42:03<@arkiver>can we please add it?
19:42:10<@arkiver>so many messages here, I'm not sure what is going on
19:42:40<@arkiver>and lets create a channel
19:43:48<@arkiver>so, I check https://transfer.archivete.am/ovn0l/filtered-1900000000-1959299859.tsv.zst and get http://glencoe.mheducation.com/sites/1901365308/ from that list. but it gives me a 404
19:43:52<@arkiver>is that correct?
19:44:48<@JAA>arkiver: Those files contain '000' lines, which failed on the first retrieval attempt and need to be retried. Look for lines with '200' as the second field for working sites.
19:44:57<@arkiver>i see
19:45:08<@JAA>(Equivalent to wget response status 0)
19:45:52<yay>glencoe.mheducation.com/sites/1911124000/ is the single 200 response in that file, btw
19:46:21<@arkiver>we're not checking all IDs?
19:46:27<@arkiver>i see many gaps, what is the reason?
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19:46:35<yay>we are
19:46:53<yay>those are just verified 404s, which would be pretty pointless to include
19:47:04<@arkiver>i see, so everything not in the lists is not 404?
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19:47:14<yay>arkiver: yes
19:47:20<@arkiver>then why would we include lines with 200 in the file?
19:47:28<@JAA>200 = sites that exist
19:47:33<@JAA>404 = sites that definitely don't exist
19:47:35<@JAA>000 = ???
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19:47:54<@arkiver>right, misinterpreted yay , thanks
19:48:34<@JAA>It looks like the proper domain might be glencoe.com, not glencoe.mheducation.com?
19:48:53<yay>> The glencoe.com site was retired on August 11th, 2017 as part of a continuous effort to provide you with the most relevant and up to date content.
19:49:24<@JAA>I'm getting the same retirement notice about June 30 on http://glencoe.com/ as I do on http://glencoe.mheducation.com/.
19:49:33<yay>mhm
19:49:40<yay>I wonder what "associate sites" there are
19:49:58<@JAA>But the 'sites' are 404s, yeah.
19:50:13<@arkiver>is everything just single pages like http://glencoe.mheducation.com/sites/2138132181/information_center_view0/ , or is there some deeper structure sometimes?
19:50:46<yay>I don't think so
19:50:52<yay>also https://mhedu.force.com/DTS/s/article/Glencoe-Online-Learning-Centers might be a useful reference
19:51:30<yay>that doesn't include all the sites, though
19:51:37<yay>it would be _such_ a tragedy if we lost ron's test page to history
19:52:15<h2ibot>JustAnotherArchivist edited Deathwatch (+373, /* 2022 */ Add Glencoe): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48656&oldid=48640
19:53:02<yay>thanks arkiver
19:53:05<@JAA>novella.mhhe.com was also a thing, apparently.
19:53:13<@JAA>(That was me.)
19:53:44<@arkiver>thanks JAA
19:54:32<yay>^
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20:05:20<yay>https://transfer.archivete.am/wLH1P/known_sites.txt
20:07:29<yay>could we do something with these 700-ish sites from the official list?
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21:30:04<@OrIdow6>goat.me/goat.at is running
21:32:45<yay>I'm downloading the known list of glencoe sites using wget to WARC
21:32:50<yay>should I upload to IA afterwards?
21:33:30<yay>looking at the lines scrolling by is definitely giving me a bit of a headache
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22:48:31<TheTechRobo>yay: yeah, but keep in mind that it's smart to do it via archivebot
22:48:42<TheTechRobo>only whitelisted users' warcs go into the wbm
22:48:54<TheTechRobo>and most people aren't whitelisted[citation needed]
22:49:14<yay>why archivebot?
22:49:27<yay>is that a "trusted" downloader or something?
22:50:05<TheTechRobo>It's an official Archive Team project created by trusted people, so yeah.
22:50:39<TheTechRobo>Uploading WARCs is fine, just don't expect them to go into the Wayback Machine.
22:50:56<TheTechRobo>Not a member of IA though so take my info with a grain of salt. :-)
22:51:26<TheTechRobo>s/member/employee
22:53:20<TheTechRobo>yay: ^
22:53:24<yay>ArchiveBot looks like a bit of a pain to get running :)
22:54:26<TheTechRobo>Only to self-host, in which case your WARCs won't go in.
22:54:34<TheTechRobo>Otherwise, it's as simple as
22:54:45<TheTechRobo>!ao < https://example.com/imagelist
22:54:55<TheTechRobo>(a bit more difficult than that, but that's the gist of it
22:54:55<TheTechRobo>)
22:55:36<TheTechRobo>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveBot for more details
22:55:37<TheTechRobo>yay: ^
22:56:07<yay>yep
22:56:11<yay>don't think I have perms though
23:18:05<TheTechRobo>You don't , but you can request someone else to do it for you
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23:27:21<yay>I basically already have a list of 657 official urls which could be started on immediately
23:27:59<yay>the brute-force search might discover more, so I don't know if we want to wait on that for convenience with collating all of the discovered hits
23:28:42<Jake>Is this the same list that thub an had?
23:29:58<yay>I don't know
23:30:15<yay>it's the list that the http://glencoe.com/ retirement notice points to
23:31:04<yay>> A list of programs that have active Online Learning Centers can be found [here](https://mhedu.force.com/DTS/s/article/Glencoe-Online-Learning-Centers).
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