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| 01:31:44 | <TheTechRobo> | Well, I mean, it's a fair idea. Just not at all practical. |
| 01:31:55 | <TheTechRobo> | OrIdow6: What was the smart TVs idea? |
| 01:33:06 | <@JAA> | 'You guys should go buy every Smart TV ever and figure out where they fetch their ads from so they can be archived', basically. |
| 01:35:20 | <TheTechRobo> | Again, it's a good thing to archive (shows consumer culture, etc). Very impractical, though. |
| 01:36:35 | <@JAA> | Yeah, it was very much 'here's an idea for a project that would take ridiculous amounts of time and money, oh and also I'm not going to do anything towards that goal'. |
| 01:37:38 | <TheTechRobo> | My family actually has a smart TV (two, actually; a Roku and a Roku TV) so it might be interesting to figure out how the billboard thingy on the side of the homescreen is gotten so I can save it |
| 01:37:58 | <TheTechRobo> | Only problem is, it's a smart TV. Not sure how I'd MITM that if it uses SSL... |
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| 01:50:31 | <pabs> | TheTechRobo: many such TVs run Linux (some even run systemd) |
| 01:51:15 | <pabs> | so presumably you could mod the OS somehow |
| 01:51:18 | <TheTechRobo> | pabs: That would make sense, but I'm no good at finding security problems, etc. In this case I'd need to somehow find the SSL certificate store and change it. |
| 01:51:33 | <TheTechRobo> | I'm pretty sure there's signing employed in a Roku, too, so you can't tamper with it like I want to |
| 01:51:44 | <pabs> | yeah, probably :( |
| 01:51:53 | <@JAA> | And get into the OS at all first. Not all of these let you simply get a terminal. |
| 01:52:43 | | pabs wonders if any of them are violating the GPL like Vizio is https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html |
| 01:53:52 | <@JAA> | I'd be surprised if not. |
| 01:54:59 | <@JAA> | But that's kind of unrelated. Even if they provide source code, that doesn't mean there's an (easy) way into the system to mess with certificates etc. |
| 01:57:21 | <pabs> | it kind of is; you can't be GPL compliant if users can't modify, build, reinstall and run the modified GPLed code |
| 01:58:11 | <pabs> | but they probably do the ad stuff in proprietary parts, which can stop working when the GPL stuff is modified, and the GPL doesn't stop that |
| 01:59:16 | <@JAA> | Well, depends on the GPL version. That is part of the reason why Linus doesn't like GPLv3. |
| 01:59:42 | <TheTechRobo> | JAA: Wait, I thought GPLv3 was _beneficial_ because it prevents tivolisation? |
| 01:59:57 | <@JAA> | Depends on which side you're on. Linus is fine with that usage. |
| 02:00:10 | <TheTechRobo> | Why doesn't he like GPLv3, then? |
| 02:00:10 | <@JAA> | (At least as far as I remember from some Q&A session I watched a long time ago.) |
| 02:00:42 | <pabs> | the same applies for both GPLv2 and GPLv3 |
| 02:00:55 | <@JAA> | Because he's in favour of allowing tivoisation. |
| 02:00:57 | <pabs> | what Tivo did is still allowed by GPLv3 |
| 02:01:17 | <pabs> | (break their proprietary bits when the GPL bits were modified) |
| 02:02:22 | <@JAA> | Yeah right, it was reduced or removed entirely in later drafts but before the finalisation of v3. |
| 02:02:33 | <pabs> | some backgrounders: https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2021/mar/25/install-gplv2/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2021/jul/23/tivoization-and-the-gpl-right-to-install/ https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Safely-Copylefted-Cars-Reexamining-GPLv3-Installation-Information-Requirements-ALS-Bradley-Kuhn-Behan-Webster-1.pdf |
| 02:02:47 | <TheTechRobo> | <pabs> (break their proprietary bits when the GPL bits were modified) |
| 02:02:49 | <TheTechRobo> | Wow, that's fucked up. |
| 02:02:56 | <pabs> | (the last link covers GPLv3 allowing what Tivo did) |
| 02:03:27 | <pabs> | of course these days there are much worse things; Android vendors blocking updates of Linux entirely |
| 02:03:47 | <TheTechRobo> | People ask me why I'm cynical |
| 02:04:19 | <pabs> | and the Android vendors also do what Tivo did, they require a device wipe before you can unlock the bootloader and install Linux. so you have no access to their proprietary binaries |
| 02:05:57 | <@JAA> | If they even let you unlock the bootloader without personally bringing the device to their HQ or something. |
| 02:06:13 | <@JAA> | Anyway, we're well into -ot material here by now. :-) |
| 02:06:17 | <pabs> | often they have an online thing that gives out codes that you can enter to allow it |
| 02:06:21 | <pabs> | yeah definitely |
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| 03:22:46 | <CompArison> | hey |
| 03:22:59 | <CompArison> | im trying to access the wii shop channel on my pc |
| 03:23:21 | <CompArison> | specifically i just want the website files |
| 03:23:30 | <CompArison> | im having no luck so far |
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| 03:25:24 | <CompArison> | i changed the user agent and stuff but its still giving me the same "can't connect" thing |
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| 03:28:15 | <@JAA> | Uh, are you trying to connect to Nintendo's servers? Those have been offline for years now. |
| 03:28:56 | <CompArison> | im just following this tutorial on the wiki http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Accessing_Wii_Shop_Channel_from_PC |
| 03:29:27 | <@JAA> | That's a description of how the content could be accessed before the shutdown. |
| 03:29:32 | <CompArison> | bruh |
| 03:30:06 | <@JAA> | Basically technical information on how the service worked at the time to get the archival process started. |
| 03:30:18 | <@JAA> | https://archive.org/details/WiiShopChannelBackup seems to be where the primary archive of it is located. |
| 03:30:20 | <CompArison> | the wiki doesn't say anything about the fact that it doesn't work anymore |
| 03:30:28 | <CompArison> | yeah im currently downloading that |
| 03:30:31 | <@JAA> | 'Status: Offline' |
| 03:30:32 | <@JAA> | :-) |
| 03:30:48 | <CompArison> | =L |
| 03:30:51 | <@JAA> | But yeah, that section could use some rewording. |
| 03:31:09 | <CompArison> | well is there any way to get the html file |
| 03:31:13 | <CompArison> | is that in the backup |
| 03:32:43 | <Jake> | Are you looking for something specific? |
| 03:33:56 | <CompArison> | basically im trying to recreate the wii shop channel in html but since i found out that the channel uses html i figured i might as well use that |
| 03:35:43 | <h2ibot> | JustAnotherArchivist edited Wii Shop Channel (+68, Add data and lead to infobox): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48548&oldid=47986 |
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| 21:44:49 | <asdadfe324> | Not sure if this is the right place to do this, but might I suggest archiving a reddit-like website: tildes.net |
| 21:45:17 | <asdadfe324> | Even many "popular" (it's a small website...) threads aren't on the wayback machine |
| 21:51:06 | <asie> | https://twitter.com/RPGWatch/status/1522691941145657345 https://www.rpgwatch.com/ a site+forum of 16 years is shutting down by the end of July |
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