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02:31:52<pabs>isdn4linux historical CVS archive (converted to git) https://projects.osmocom.org/news/187
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21:27:35<betamax>JAA: I don't know how backed up archivebot is right now, but I have another list of URLs that could do with queueing in AB
21:27:38<betamax>https://transfer.sh/dmWWgw/st-andrews-user-hosting.txt
21:28:01<betamax>these are personal webpages by students and staff at the University of St. Andrews
21:28:33<betamax>they aren't being deleted, but the uni is moving them all behind a student/staff-only VPN in a few weeks, so they're going to become inaccessable to the larger internet
21:29:22<betamax>(I'm mentioning this in #-bs to avoid it getting lost in the scrollback in #archivebot)
21:29:40<betamax>do you think there's available capacity in AB to get them archived?
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21:50:01<appstorium>hello! i need to discuss a big service we need to archive.
21:50:16<appstorium>it hosts programs and even culture
21:50:37<appstorium>but the problem is if stuff are gone its most likely lost media
21:50:46<appstorium>It is the App Store
21:51:31<appstorium>some of these apps are only accesible if you have it in your purchaces list
21:51:51<appstorium>which means some people would need to donate some Apple IDs
21:52:08<cptcobalt>lmao
21:52:08<appstorium>the app store has no downloading currently
21:52:18<appstorium>lmao for who?
21:52:43<appstorium>there are some ios exclusive apps or apps that have exclusive designs
21:52:44<cptcobalt>it's a completely valid concern but a huge amount of work not just from a file archival level
21:52:57<appstorium>ok
21:53:23<appstorium>we should at least develop a program to archive it and put it on the archive.org
21:53:28<cptcobalt>but additionally *most* apps require some level of server interactions which is non-trivial from an archival perspective
21:53:45<appstorium>there are ios games
21:53:55<appstorium>like gizmonauts, which i grew up with
21:53:59<appstorium>its lost media
21:54:13<appstorium>all because of the app store and lack of archival
21:54:21<appstorium>it doesnt need a server
21:54:46<appstorium>the point im trying to make is there are loads of apps that dont access servers
21:55:04<appstorium>and even if they do, they can be extracted for their assets
21:55:15<appstorium>only android has constant archival
21:55:21<appstorium>so ehy not ios
21:55:41<appstorium>the fun fact is old ios versions are also availble
21:56:27<appstorium>apple removee abandined apps and also 32 bit apps to
21:56:29<appstorium>o
21:56:55<appstorium>also there is a working ios emulator for android
21:56:56<appstorium>https://systems.cs.columbia.edu/projects/cycada/
21:57:09<appstorium>but it just needs to be released
21:57:19<appstorium>by the developer in its good state
21:57:29<appstorium>it might run well on modern devices.
21:57:45<cptcobalt>there are far more modern iOS emulation efforts, such as https://www.corellium.com
21:58:13<appstorium>those are for 32 bit apps
21:58:17<appstorium>https://www.google.com/search?q=jailbreak+download+older+app+versions&rlz=1CARLJX_enUS968&oq=jailbreak+install+old+version&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i22i30j0i390l2.7929j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=active&ssui=on
21:58:25<appstorium>also old versions of apps are availbe
21:59:23<appstorium>and also reviews are a concern
21:59:30<astrid>appstorium: it can be helpful to think of archiveteam more as a framework for helping you accomplish archival-related projects, than as a service bureau. you are most likely to have a project succeed if you put in the work yourself and get people to join in and help when they get excited and see that you are making progress.
21:59:43<appstorium>obscure apps need to be archived the most
21:59:51<appstorium>ok thanks
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22:00:50<astrid>app store archival sounds like a cool and useful thing, and i hope people are working on it.
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22:00:57<cptcobalt>absolutely
22:01:01<cptcobalt>even just the .ipas
22:01:30<marked1>can someone explain why android is easier than ios in this regard?
22:01:31<cptcobalt>but that's not the complete story and I roughly guess it's insufficient for, say, ~80% of apps
22:02:00<cptcobalt>marked1: the platform embraces side loading, and sites like apkmirror exist
22:02:07<appstorium> im just gonna ask the devs at r/jailbreak to request a foss ios app archiver
22:02:36<appstorium>marked1 also many people like me use android just because of sideloadin
22:02:37<appstorium>gg
22:02:44<cptcobalt>most ad-hoc side loading on iOS needs self-signed app binaries (like https://altstore.io) or a jailbreak plus some dubious program sources
22:02:49<appstorium>i use it for freedom in general
22:02:54<appstorium>ok thanks
22:03:12<appstorium>im gonna ask somewhere else unless somebody's intrested
22:03:56<appstorium>recently i found someone with gizmonauts and currently working on extracting or downloading the app
22:04:00<appstorium>bye!
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22:04:10<cptcobalt>appstorium: Astrid makes a good point – we are all working on our own archival projects, learn what you need to follow your passion
22:04:11<cptcobalt>aw rip
22:04:46<cptcobalt>it's quite a hard problem, not invalid, but it should start with someone trying to scope the work and getting it done
22:06:27<astrid>(also hello, this is my once every few years check in, i am waiting for a particular forum to come back online so i can archivebot it before it's too late)
22:08:15<Jake>👋
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22:14:01<cptcobalt>👋 too; I'm mostly an idler and not a regular, I just have a *lot* of expertise with apps, not as much from the coding standpoint but from the platform/store admin perspective (long story)
22:18:42<marked1>IDK if it's the best name, but there was a page created https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Mobile_Phone_Applications
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22:27:39<astrid>cptcobalt: ah that sounds like valuable domain experience for that particular !
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22:34:44<Ryz>While I don't have any coding experience at all, I contribute to ArchiveTeam by being good at finding stuff to archive via ArchiveBot <#>;
22:34:48<Ryz>Countless loot out there
22:35:29<@JAA>astrid: I could set up a monitor in #nodeping if you want.
22:36:24<@JAA>Regarding Apple's App Store, is it even possible to download the files without auth etc.? I thought they locked down their walled garden very hard.
22:37:37<cptcobalt>yeah it's relatively locked down but if you have creds it's not impossible
22:38:39<cptcobalt>*theoretically* you could make an app that simulates the store interaction to download all the ipas you're entitled to; may need to do some cert or SSL shenanigans while reversing that wouldn't be completely insurmountable
22:39:23<cptcobalt>and there is enough "old client" support that it can still be done in a browser-like manner (see, old iTunes)
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22:39:48<@JAA>Right, but they'll definitely detect and block automated attempts to do large-scale downloads. And that's what we'd want to do, archive all the apps.
22:40:14<cptcobalt>even on modern iOS and modern macOS it's pretty trivial to get the ipas using apple's configurator tools and such (perhaps even finder, but I don't know precisely how that logic changed over the last few years)
22:40:21<cptcobalt>yeah
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22:41:31<cptcobalt>also the breadth of the search is going to be limited if you're restricted to actual users, *most* people have the top few percent of apps, but very few have numerous apps off the most frequently used list
22:42:01<cptcobalt>the point of a systemic archival would be to try to archive *everything*, which would be rather difficult, especially from a paid app perspective too
22:45:04<h2ibot>Pcr edited Deathwatch (+91, /* 2022 */ Add Flickr content removal): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48485&oldid=48464
22:45:05<h2ibot>Marked edited Mobile Phone Applications (+125): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48486&oldid=28847
22:53:02<astrid>JAA: what is #nodeping about?
22:56:08<@JAA>astrid: It's a channel for status changes from monitors at our https://nodeping.com/ account.
22:56:33<astrid>ah neat. no worries, i have people in another channel who will bother me when they see it up again
23:04:47<@JAA>Alright :-)
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