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00:50:58<tech234a>https://bugs.python.org/ is being migrated to GitHub issues
00:51:15<tech234a>site is currently read-only
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00:51:30<TheTechRobo>tech234a: I think that's already in deathwatch?
00:51:40<TheTechRobo>yeh
00:51:42<TheTechRobo>*yeah
00:52:12<tech234a>Yeah it is, I hadn't remembered seeing it in IRC
00:52:15<tech234a>Thanks
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06:48:50<Ryz>So a bit weird, because of YouTube's take on TikTok with their 'Shorts' feature or function; previous videos that would be considered a short before the feature was applied are retroactively applied; one example is this YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLA1RbPxnAdpfSkBGesLcaA/videos
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08:50:15<Deviro>is this place active? i could use some help with archiving news posted on steam
09:06:52<spirit>https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
09:13:46<Deviro>i run a small archiving project on a game called PR BF2, im collecting all the info i can on it and its subsequent spiritual succesors. ive been archiving the news from steam but i think they changed something recently and archive.org doesnt seem to show the text and images on a post. it just shows the steam logo buffering and probably tring to
09:13:46<Deviro>fetch content or something: https://web.archive.org/web/20220409084424/https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/736590/view/3135073898851129243 ; this wasnt a problem before, i just wanted to ask if you guys know if anything changed within steam and if there's a workaraound
09:35:02<spirit>ha, no way! can you help ME out with this by any chance? https://www.realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151811
09:35:19<spirit>for the web archive, i hav eno clue but surely someone else might be able to help
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10:02:34<Deviro>that's awesome, sadly i dont have old pr installers, except i managed to snag the first few releases a few months ago, but im sure you have those already
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10:05:09<Deviro>im more into the timeline aspect of it, im sure you've seen this already, but in case you haven't: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148376
10:15:38<cronfox>nickserv
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10:38:32<spirit>cheers! nah, i am not interested in the mod/game itself tbh, just a file hoarder ;)
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12:23:03<Deviro>ive asked around for help with your problem, here's another question - does your fileplanet archive contain the forums as well? ive been looking for something from 2004 as well :P
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12:40:33<spirit>not THAT archive, but you might like https://gamespy-archives.quaddicted.com/
12:41:16<spirit>https://gamespy-archives.quaddicted.com/111archives/ specifically
12:41:48<spirit>that page is off and on as i forget to enable the server sometimes
12:41:52<spirit>best grab all you want
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12:52:14<Deviro>i looked at it while ago but it only contains posts from 2007 and further i think, or i might not know how to search things, it's always a mess
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13:09:37<spirit>:D
13:11:37<thuban>Deviro: i haven't reverse-engineered this in detail, but it looks like steam relies on javascript in a way that doesn't play nice with the wayback machine. the wbm tries to rewrite urls in order to use its own versions of page resources, but depending on how xhr urls are constructed, this can go wrong
13:11:45<thuban>(if the wbm can't 'see' a url in the code, it can't rewrite it, and then when the javascript runs, it'll request the original web resource instead of the wbm version and probably get blocked by the content security policy)
13:11:59<thuban>the good news is that the data is actually all there!
13:12:45<thuban>the js isn't used to _fetch_ the contents of the news posts, just to render stuff that's already there
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13:14:48<thuban>if you view source (including in the wbm version), it's all in the "data-patnereventstore" attribute of the "application_config" div; looks like bbcode within json within html-entity encoding
13:15:57<thuban>*partnereventstore
13:16:23<spirit>those archives are a bit finicky, yeah. best just extract either the 7z or a warc and grep through for the text you are looking for
13:16:31<spirit>there is one html file per thread page iirc
13:19:44<Deviro>that makes a lot of sense thuban, im not programmer savvy, thanks for the help, im sure this will be resolved at some point, but i hate not being able to archive things properly, thanks for the help, the data being there at least is a good thing
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16:44:21<h2ibot>TheTechRobo edited Telegram (+0, todo => inprogress): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48461&oldid=48165
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17:45:16<jcotton42>Hi, I'm trying to look for a pre-rewrite version of fanfic from fanfiction.net. There are a couple archives on fanfiction.net, but all the ones I've been able to check so far are too new
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17:45:43<jcotton42>The only one I haven't checked yet is the Archive Team fanfiction swipe, https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_fanfiction but I can't figure out how to find the story in there, or if it is even in there
17:46:54<jcotton42>I grabbed all the cdx.idx and megawarc.json files and tried grepping them for keywords (author's name, story ID) but couldn't find anything that looked right
17:46:57<jcotton42>The URL is https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3148571/1/Ultimate-Danny-Phantom btw
17:47:15<jcotton42>(I got a few matches on the author's name, Grumbles, but it seems to just be their user page)
17:47:38<jcotton42>So I joined here as I saw on the archive team wiki that this was the IRC channel for this project
17:51:08<jcotton42>dropping for a second to switch to my phone
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17:52:34<@JAA>jcotton42: https://web.archive.org/web/20120413073613/http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3148571/1/Ultimate_Danny_Phantom is the earliest WBM snpashot I can find.
17:52:42<@JAA>That's from the archiveteam_fanfiction data.
17:54:44<jcotton42>Huh weird I couldn't get way back itself to work when I tried earlier
17:54:55<jcotton42>Thanks, this looks like what I need
17:55:30<@JAA>Dashes vs underscores in the slug. FFN apparently changed the URL format at some point.
17:56:46<jcotton42>Ahhh
17:56:58<jcotton42>good to know
18:03:59<jcotton42>Thanks again
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18:26:19<@rewby>And that's one of the rare moments where we hear about somebody using an AT dataset./
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21:08:14<Ryz>Sadness, the 'Save to the Wayback Machine' extension is being discontinued (at least on Google Chrome) :c
21:08:48<Ryz>Apparently there's the official version, but skeptical if it's better than what I was accustomed to workflow wise~
21:18:18<Ryz>Welp, this is seriously seriously got good for my archiving productivity; the official version doesn't give me the information on when it was last archived when clicking the extension button
21:19:02<Ryz>Instead I would have to click on the calendar button and it would have to open up a tab to show when was the last time it was archived :/
21:20:33<Ryz>*seriously seriously not good
21:26:21<Ryz>I'm assuming there's something holding back from updating VerifiedJ? s:
21:27:37<Ryz>I don't archive it via that extension a lot time ago; but I extensively use that thing nearly every day for doing ignores for ArchiveBot jobs by checking the last time it was archived
21:28:00<Ryz>Which is really inconvenient when using the official version
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21:56:59<Craigle>Ryz: Are you talking about this one? https://github.com/internetarchive/wayback-machine-webextension
21:57:28<Craigle>Because it definitely shows when a page was last archived without doing more than clicking on the extension button
22:00:52<Ryz>You sure? I clicked on the official extension button and it only shows something like this: https://transfer.archivete.am/pQBWO/2022-04-09_14-59-55.png
22:01:14<Ryz>And not something like what the unofficial extension does: https://transfer.archivete.am/myM3O/2022-04-09_15-00-49.png
22:04:48<Ryz>Cragile ^
22:04:52<Ryz>*Craigle ^
22:06:20<Craigle>Yes, if you click the "Settings" icon and then check the box for "Wayback Machine Count" it will display it
22:06:26<Craigle>https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/DkVoR/ext.JPG
22:08:21<Craigle>I manually install it from source on github because the Chrome Store version is/was an older one. But the Chrome Store version likely has that feature as well
22:09:31<Ryz>I clicked the option, here's what I got: https://transfer.archivete.am/kik1o/2022-04-09_15-08-06.png
22:10:05<Ryz>It only says how many times that page was saved :C
22:10:46<Craigle>Is that the one from the Chrome Store, or did you load it from Github?
22:11:01<Ryz>I got it from the Google Chrome store~
22:12:59<Craigle>I suspect it may be an older version then. The one I loaded from Github a month or so ago shows "Version - 3.0.0.17"
22:13:21<Craigle>I believe that was why I loaded it manually. I don't think the Chrome Store version was at 3.0
22:13:31<Ryz>Whaaa? I just installed it from Google Chrome, which I was assuming it was the latest version ><;
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22:14:55<Craigle>I shows version 3.0 in the Chrome Store. I wouldn't think the functionality would be that different
22:16:23<Craigle>I'm running Brave and not straight Chrome, but since it's the same engine, I wouldn't expect that to make a difference either
22:17:24<marked2>I just installed from the Chrome store. It did show last archive time at first. and now it's stopped. More often than not it doesn't show it so far.
22:19:32<Craigle>I wonder if it's just a little slow pulling the data
22:20:36<Craigle>I just loaded a couple of sites fresh and it shows the count and date for me. That's really strange that it's not consistent
22:20:41<Ryz>For the reference URL I use: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheRunawayGuys/videos
22:21:50<Ryz>Uuuuuuugh, I'm actually upset that this might run my workflow s:
22:22:56<Craigle>Comes right up for me: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/cRDCJ/Capture.JPG
22:23:58<marked2>turning on that setting "Wayback Machine Count" makes it much more consistent
22:24:23<Ryz>That's the weird thing, I did turn on "Wayback Machine Count" oo;
22:25:03<Craigle>I only have that and the replace 404 pages settings turned on. No other ones. I am logged in if that makes a difference
22:27:52<Ryz>Not logged in at all for me
22:29:06<marked2>yeah that's interesting. If I'm logged in I get times. If I'm logged out, I only get counts, and it requires an extra click.
22:29:30<VerifiedJ>You need to be logged into the IA for the official extension to show last saved dates for some reason
22:29:43<VerifiedJ>Hi Ryz
22:30:16<Ryz>Nooooooo seriously? :C
22:30:20<Ryz>Heya VerifiedJ
22:30:26<Craigle>If I recall you also get rate limited pretty steeply if you're not logged in
22:30:37<Craigle>I think that was why I logged in in the first place
22:31:40<Ryz>Rate limited deeply is a big oofer, since I also constantly check for dates~
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22:46:11<Ryz>So yeah, still pretty annoyed this happened; gonna be a real hell impact for my productivity...
22:48:30<Ryz>No way to fix this VerifiedJ?
22:55:28<marked2>I think I found the API call https://github.com/internetarchive/wayback-machine-webextension/blob/a4f96e4a47917d79afd32d49dc1871b848b236d6/webextension/scripts/utils.js#L341
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23:02:09<VerifiedJ>Ryz, I have an idea. I'll email you about it tomorrow. its midnight here and i need sleep.
23:02:19<Ryz>Oh!
23:02:26<Ryz>Huh, VerifiedJ,
23:02:39<Ryz>Uhh, I haven't heard from you when I sent two messages like...uhh, long long ago ><;
23:03:04<Ryz>Also, could just DM/PM me via IRC~
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23:18:49<E>If I want to run a Warrior instance (or similar) for a few hours a day on a scheduled basis, is there a recommended way to do it? Thank you!
23:23:53<TheTechRobo>E: Hm, you could set up a scheduled task (i.e. crontab on Unix, Task Scheduler/whatever on Windows, not sure on Mac) to start and stop the Docker container manually... (you can run the Warrior via Docker, as that's how the virtual machine works iirc)
23:24:08<TheTechRobo>Not an expert at thsi kind of stuff tho
23:24:45<E>Thank you! Yeah, I was thinking of doing something like that, just not familiar with Docker
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23:38:04<@JAA>I think orchestration software like K8s has such things, but that's almost definitely overkill here. I'd also go with a small script with cron or systemd or whatever your system is already using.
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