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00:49:03<jodizzle>ArcticCircleSystem is correct in #archiveteam that we should archive Kazakhstan, but I think unfortunately a lot of the domains aren't available right now due to blackouts: https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1479568654048145416
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00:49:22<ArcticCircleSystem>R: wait so what's the line between a discussion and not a discussion?
00:49:41<ArcticCircleSystem>R: because I'm not sure only one person explaining a situation is a discussion but I don't know if
00:49:44<ArcticCircleSystem>R: I don't know
00:50:17<@OrIdow6>The point is that #archiveteam is an announcements channel
00:50:37<ArcticCircleSystem>R: okay
00:51:12<ArcticCircleSystem>R: shoot I accidentally exited #archiveteam. was going to copy what I said there into here but it's not logged
00:51:41<jodizzle>Think 1-2 lines of messages in #archiveteam usually. Quick postings.
00:51:48<ArcticCircleSystem>R: got it
00:52:08<ArcticCircleSystem>R: okay here's what's going on with Fer.al right now that places it at high risk
00:53:47<ArcticCircleSystem>R: Last month Wildworks, the company that made the MMO, announced a new MMO called Cinder.io. An NFT MMO. The community HATED this for all the obvious reasons one would hate NFTs. So the CEO of the company did an AMA in which he was an asshole to various community members, dismissed concerns of cultural appropriation in his games, and basically
00:53:47<ArcticCircleSystem>said that he knows people in the community don't like NFTs but doesn't care.
00:53:49<h2ibot>Lennier1 edited Game Jolt (+660, Add statement from Game Jolt): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48109&oldid=48108
00:53:59<@OrIdow6>ArcticCircleSystem: You can see #archiveteam logs here https://hackint.logs.kiska.pw/archiveteam/20220108
00:54:26<ArcticCircleSystem>R: OrIdow6 thanks
00:57:01<@OrIdow6>Are you proposing that we save the in-game content for these games, or just the websites etc.?
00:57:20<ArcticCircleSystem>R: Orldow6 hopefully save the in-game content.
00:58:08<ArcticCircleSystem>R: anyway, then the Cinder.io website was brought online. And that's when things really went to shit. Because as it turns out, the CEO lied about Cinder.io only being in development for a few months. Turns out it was in development for around two years, being tested as another MMO at first. The only MMO that was released into beta by Wildworks two
00:58:09<ArcticCircleSystem>years ago was Fer.al. People also noticed that the ToS for Fer.al said that Wildworks owned all designs for avatars. And that Wildworks was planning to sell designs pulled from avatars via Cinder.io. To say people were pissed was an understatement. It was scorched earth all around. CEO went radio silent, admins of the official Discord server went
00:58:09<ArcticCircleSystem>radio silent, mods resigned en masse due to poor treatment, players left en masse.
00:58:11<ArcticCircleSystem>R: it was bad.
00:58:46<ArcticCircleSystem>R: Updates for Fer.al had become stagnant the previous few months, and I've heard the same occurred for Animal Jam Classic and possibly Animal Jam Play Wild.
00:59:03<ArcticCircleSystem>R: The games, especially Fer.al, are rotting in their own bugs and glitches.
00:59:50<ArcticCircleSystem>R: as of a few days ago, all items were removed from Fer.al's in-game stores. AJC seems to have its stores intact. Couldn't check AJPW because there's a glitch on the desktop client that's preventing me from logging into my account. I can only log in as a guest.
01:00:28<ArcticCircleSystem>R: Much of the community speculates that it's likely that Fer.al will be sunsetted due to the fallout. AJC and AJPW are also at risk, though Fer.al is especially so.
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01:06:54<ArcticCircleSystem39>R: back
01:07:11<ArcticCircleSystem39>R: I keep getting dced
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01:08:13<ArcticCircleSystem>R: alright got it
01:08:34<ArcticCircleSystem>R: (have to use some VPN thing to connect to a server for a website we're working on, it gets laggy)
01:08:42<ArcticCircleSystem>R: hopefully we didn't miss anything anyone said
01:10:53<h2ibot>Jodizzle created Governments/Kazakhstan (+470, Initial list, mostly social media; most sites…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Governments/Kazakhstan
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01:12:07<ArcticCircleSystem>R: Should I start making a WildWorks page?
01:14:20<jodizzle>(you didn't miss anything)
01:15:35<@OrIdow6>You can make a page if you want
01:16:13<@OrIdow6>Archiving media inside the game might be hard, given that I know nothing about this game
01:16:39<@OrIdow6>So if you can you might want to move in that direction
01:16:47<@OrIdow6>With what you describe there
01:18:02<ArcticCircleSystem>R: Alright. Not sure where to start in archiving the game as I know little about MMO archival, but I'll work on a page to start and ask around our circles to see if anyone in Flashpoint or something knows more.
01:19:36<ArcticCircleSystem>R: I think if we make a channel for this, #goingferal would be good
01:19:46<ArcticCircleSystem>R: or something i don't know
01:19:50<@OrIdow6>("Given that I know nothing about this game" meaning I expect it to be hard, but don't know; not that I'm the only person here and anything that's hard for me is hard for ArchiveTean)
01:20:32<@OrIdow6>In what timeframe do you expect this material to go offline?
01:21:22<tbc1887>I'm not sure which game of theirs you're currently referring to (but I imagine it would work for most web based games), logging in and looking at the source urls for assets might show a scrapeable pattern, otherwise running around the game for a bit saving all the urls could get some too. Not sure how effective it would be, just an idea
01:25:11<ArcticCircleSystem>R: @Orldow6 tbc1887 No confirmation on the timeframe, but likely within the year at best due to how things have been going so far. Also Animal Jam Classic is no longer web-based. It uses a desktop app now due to the death of flash.
01:25:17<ArcticCircleSystem>R: Orldow6
01:25:20<ArcticCircleSystem>R: hm
01:25:34<ArcticCircleSystem>R: doesn't seem to be pinging Orldow
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01:33:19<@JAA>That's because it's a capital i, not a lower-case L. Also, what's that 'R:' on every message of yours?
01:33:23<ArcticCircleSystem>R: Should I also make individual pages for Fer.al, Cinder.io, Animal Jam Classic, and Animal Jam Play Wild?
01:33:53<ArcticCircleSystem>R: JAA It stands for my name, Red.
01:34:29<@JAA>Uh, that's what nicknames are for, but ok.
01:35:07<tbc1887>@ArcticCircleSystem It might make more sense to gather them all under the publisher name, like the multiple youtube projects are on the one page with multiple cards
01:35:18<ArcticCircleSystem>R: tbc1887 Got it.
01:35:38<tbc1887>For reference: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/YouTube
01:38:02<ArcticCircleSystem>R: referencing Google's page
01:38:14<ArcticCircleSystem>R: it's very hard to write a page, never done it before on here
01:39:59<h2ibot>Jodizzle edited Governments/Kazakhstan (+446, Add President related links (and a little more)): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48111&oldid=48110
01:40:05<tbc1887>I *think* if you use the visual editor on regular wikipedia then switch to the regular editor you currently see on AT, you can copy the source as it should match
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01:44:18<ArcticCircleSystem>R: tbc1887 I'm referencing the page for Google on the Archive Team wiki. I know MediaWiki stuff, I'm just not the best at writing.
01:47:25<tbc1887>@ArcticCircleSystem Ah, apologies
01:48:15<ArcticCircleSystem>R: I'm just gonna try to make an outline of the basic information and put that up and then just correct that and add more to it from there.
01:48:26<tbc1887>Sounds good
01:48:29<ArcticCircleSystem>R: so sorry if it's kinda bad at first, I just want to get something up
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02:14:54<@arkiver>ArcticCircleSystem: it's odd that you use R:
02:15:06<@arkiver>you using some type of bridge between this and discord or something?
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02:16:06<ArcticCircleSystem>R: arkiver I just forgot that I could change my nickname to reflect my name and just used the one I usually use and... I don't know I'm tired
02:16:20<ArcticCircleSystem>R: i don't know how to explain it
02:16:40<ArcticCircleSystem>R: also just used to doing that honestly
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02:21:16<@arkiver>you can change your nick
02:21:21<@arkiver>go /nick and your new nick
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02:26:47ArcticCircleSystem is now known as Red
02:27:11Red is now known as Red-ArcticCircleSystem
02:27:31<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: alright got it
02:27:43<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>oh right
02:27:47<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>feels weird not to do it
02:27:54<@arkiver>there we go
02:28:01<@arkiver>welcome to IRC ;)
02:28:08<@arkiver>land of the brave
02:28:17<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: I'm gonna keep doing it because it feels weird not to do it but I'll keep the name
02:28:20<@arkiver>overcome your fear
02:28:33<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: not really a fear more just
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02:28:39<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: I don't know how to describe it
02:28:48<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: anyway I created the page for WildWorks
02:29:06<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: it's kinda bad right now but hopefully we can correct it more later with more info from community members
02:29:26<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: we left the community a bit ago and only knew about this stuff after remembering Animal Jam was a thing
02:30:08<h2ibot>Jake edited Memory of Mankind (+23, Add link to AB job): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48112&oldid=45217
02:35:10<h2ibot>Jake edited Mercurial (+49, Add link to (I think) the correct collection.…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48113&oldid=45451
02:35:42<nicolas17>I guess DID...
02:37:10<h2ibot>2tbc1887 edited YouTube (+41, Link rot: replaced deleted url with wayback…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48114&oldid=48037
02:37:11<h2ibot>Arctic Circle System created WildWorks (+2950, Alright hopefully that's enough to start. Not…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=WildWorks
02:37:12<h2ibot>Arctic Circle System uploaded File:Wildworks logo.png (Logo for WildWorks): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=File%3AWildworks%20logo.png
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02:45:25<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: okay the wildworks logo doesn't seem to be working on here https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/WildWorks
02:48:12<h2ibot>Jake edited Microsoft Download Center (+120, Add link to IA collection): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48119&oldid=47605
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02:49:18<@JAA>Red-ArcticCircleSystem: Fixed
02:53:21<Jake>Another HTML index that is currently not rendering. https://archive.org/download/microsoft_download_center_html_index_2020-08/list.html
02:54:44<@arkiver>Jake: if it's in an open collection, it needs to be moved out of there
03:02:48<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: JAA thanks
03:04:49<Jake>arkiver: It looks like it is in an open collection, but I don't think I can move it anywhere.
03:17:17<h2ibot>Jodizzle edited Governments/Kazakhstan (+428, Add links related to the Prime Minister): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48120&oldid=48111
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03:23:52<Jake>Trying to find the chromebot WARCs for https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Remix_3D but the job ID doesn't seem to actually resolve to anything I can search for on IA.
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03:28:04<@JAA>chromebot WARCs are a mess because all data from jobs on a particular day are mixed together and deduped. So there isn't an individual WARC for a job.
03:28:14<@JAA>(Also, all the WARCs are horribly broken.)
03:28:56<Jake>Ah, well that seems... fun
03:29:19<h2ibot>Jake edited Minecraft.net (+23, Add link to the archives section of the wiki page.): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48122&oldid=29780
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03:37:12<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: installing wireshark to see what I can figure out
03:38:04<Jake>If you are talking about Game Jolt, it most likely uses https so something like Fiddler would be more useful.
03:40:07<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: Jake Actually I was going to try to see how we can archive the files for Animal Jam Play Wild
03:40:21<h2ibot>Jake edited Mozilla Addons (+23, Add link to the extremely well documented section.): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48126&oldid=32266
03:40:30<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: Though I suppose I should also try Fiddler.
03:41:37<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: though the problem is these MMOs use desktop clients
03:41:42<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: they are not browser-based
03:42:11<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: Animal Jam, Animal Jam Classic, and Fer.al use desktop clients. AJC used to be web-based, but Flash died.
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03:43:34<Jake>I'm installing Game Jolt so I'll check it out here.
03:45:38<Jake>man this search on here sucks!
03:45:52<@OrIdow6>Jake: AFAIK GameJolt is unrelated to this thing Red-ArcticCircleSystem except that we have directed our attention to them at around the same time
03:46:02<@OrIdow6>*is working on except
03:46:04<Jake>ah...
03:46:07<Jake>that would make far more sense
03:51:10<Jake>I guess my logs cut out at a perfect time here. Are we looking for the assets or something else here.
04:01:31<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: Jake Trying to figure out how to archive the files for the MMOs mentioned
04:02:11<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: and possibly reverse engineer them so that someone can host versions of them for the future
04:02:13<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: or something
04:02:38<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: i don't know, I don't know how archiving MMOs works and there's three of them in danger of shutting down right now and I don't know what to do or how to do any of it
04:04:05<Red-ArcticCircleSystem>R: brb gonna reboot to install wireshark
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08:08:27<Jake>Do captures in the WBM = saved? https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Nupedia
08:08:35<Jake>(also apologies for the 'spam', that's it for me tonight)
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18:07:39<bonga>Can you make a tool that converts all the visited urls from a Chrome net export to a txt with one url per line
18:08:19<bonga>The reason behind this is because I want to put some game assets in the IA.
18:08:40<bonga>And I no longer have access to the game but the game is still up
18:08:52<bonga>And the game is a html5 game
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18:17:28<spirit>how does that export look like?
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19:08:34<h2ibot>Lennier1 edited Game Jolt (+108, Format links): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48150&oldid=48109
19:22:36<h2ibot>Lennier1 edited Game Jolt (+536, Locked games briefly back on-line): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48151&oldid=48150
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21:28:01<h2ibot>OrIdow6 edited Framasoft (+21, Booklin update): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=48152&oldid=48099
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