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| 01:42:10 | <gfshusbandforever> | So when you archive other web archives like archive.today |
| 01:42:33 | <gfshusbandforever> | will you make it the original url or the old archive url |
| 01:42:53 | <gfshusbandforever> | so let’s say someone uses archive.is to archive poop.com |
| 01:43:31 | <gfshusbandforever> | will it be archive.is/djsjdjjd or web.archive.org/20201231/poop.com |
| 01:44:06 | <gfshusbandforever> | Sorry for sounding childish |
| 01:44:20 | <gfshusbandforever> | but my test disabled most of my brain |
| 01:47:35 | <@JAA> | We aren't currently archiving archive.is/today/tld-of-the-week, and they've been hostile about mirroring in the past, so who knows whether it'll ever happen. But it would show up under web.archive.org/web/*/archive.tld/* since that's what we'd retrieve. |
| 01:49:40 | <gfshusbandforever> | Ok thank you but I kinda want to do it with the OG url to make reasearching easier but ok |
| 01:50:21 | <@JAA> | Yeah, that's not possible without falsifying information, and we never do that. |
| 01:51:15 | <@JAA> | Presumably if we archived them, someone could build an index though to make browsing easier. But again, all of that is hypothetical. No such project planned. |
| 01:51:46 | <gfshusbandforever> | Yeah I realized falsify is worse |
| 01:51:56 | <gfshusbandforever> | Yeah. |
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| 05:07:34 | <@OrIdow6> | That is something I think could be incorporated into some hypothetical future playback solution |
| 05:07:48 | <@OrIdow6> | Especially with the Google cache |
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| 08:22:02 | <flashfire42> | Do we have a channel for deviantart? lots of artists removing their stuff due to NFTs |
| 08:22:55 | <@OrIdow6> | #devianttart |
| 08:45:10 | <mpeter|m> | how many channels does archiveteam have? is there a list? |
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| 08:56:09 | <@OrIdow6> | AFAIK, there is not a list |
| 08:56:55 | <@OrIdow6> | Theoretically the wiki would serve that function, and I think it'll be mostly accurate for channels that are older than a few months but active within a year or so |
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| 11:42:03 | <omni> | hi, I've been having issues lately accessing web.archive.org through tor, it's previously been a savior for me to be able to read web pages blocking tor or obstructed by cloudflare (it's often not even possible to solve the captchas, you get new ones forever or get a message you're blocked anyway) |
| 11:56:42 | <@OrIdow6> | omni: #internetarchive ; also know that we are not the Internet Archive |
| 11:57:11 | <@OrIdow6> | So "support" from us is unofficial |
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| 12:41:20 | <omni> | OrIdow6: thanks! |
| 12:41:39 | <omni> | I may have mixed this up previously, sorry |
| 12:43:55 | <omni> | OrIdow6: oh, you meant "we" as in #internetarchive? (saw the topic there) |
| 12:45:15 | <@OrIdow6> | "We" is the same group of people that's in both channels |
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| 16:53:21 | <@JAA> | mpeter|m: Roughly 150 registered ones on hackint currently. This includes many old project channels that haven't seen any messages in the better part of a year etc. The number of actually relevant channels is probably like 20-30, and perhaps a dozen are active on a daily basis. |
| 16:54:21 | <@JAA> | Speaking of which, I intend to close some of the old, now-irrelevant project channels sometime soon. |
| 17:03:15 | <h2ibot> | JustAnotherArchivist changed the user rights of User:Rewby |
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| 17:38:04 | <pie_> | JAA: o/ |
| 17:38:54 | <@JAA> | Hi. I don't know the answer to your question, but this is the right channel for such discussions. :-) |
| 17:43:58 | <klg> | I happen to have 51 tar.gzs of ppapi flash players for x86_64 linux between 24.0.0.194 and 32.0.0.465, but it's not complete and these aren't installers |
| 17:47:59 | <pie_> | reposting the question then: |
| 17:48:00 | <pie_> | <pie_> has anyone seen a reasonably complete archive of flash player installers? |
| 17:48:00 | <pie_> | <pie_> i havent found anything that has the .tar.gz-s specifically yet |
| 17:48:19 | <pie_> | klg: i happen to be looking for https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/updaters/32/flash_player_sa_linux.x86_64.tar.gz |
| 17:48:57 | <pie_> | specifically one of these hashes |
| 17:48:59 | <pie_> | wanted: sha256:07vz17zhwh31phccpbmwgfa3fdb2f7bnc3sf66ipsw1xcqgncpsx |
| 17:48:59 | <pie_> | got: sha256:1hwnvwph7p3nfv2xf7kjw3zdpb546dsia0cmhzg81z016fi7lgw8 |
| 17:49:15 | <pie_> | though i havent figured out yet how to convert that to a normal sha256, the nix format is kind of weird |
| 17:50:19 | <pie_> | hm. thats a bit problematic |
| 17:50:26 | <pie_> | apparently there have been multiple versions under that url over time |
| 17:50:41 | <pie_> | some of the other URLs are properly versioned but not that one... |
| 17:51:00 | <pie_> | actually |
| 17:51:02 | <pie_> | im not sure |
| 17:51:22 | <@JAA> | Have you looked through https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/updaters/* already? |
| 17:52:24 | <@JAA> | 15 unique snapshots from that URL in the WBM. |
| 17:55:13 | <pie_> | i didnt think to try that - i dont actually know how IA works - I figured binaries like that wouldnt be archived |
| 17:55:27 | <pie_> | how does it check if the binary has actually changed? |
| 17:56:46 | <@JAA> | I think it just counts the number of unique digests (SHA-1 to be precise). |
| 17:57:25 | <pie_> | Sorry, I mean, does it actually try to download the file and check if it changed or does it just look at headers or such? |
| 17:58:53 | <@JAA> | The URL was simply retrieved and the response stored 140 times. The uniqueness thing is merely a statistic on the available data. It doesn't mean the URL was regularly checked or anything. |
| 18:00:59 | <pie_> | right, I mean _if_ it was checked, did they actually check the data? |
| 18:01:43 | <pie_> | though at least for the two I've tried so far, they differed, so thats something |
| 18:07:26 | <@JAA> | What do you mean by 'check the data'? It's simply an HTTP retrieval. I don't know what IA does internally, but when we archive things here, there's generally no comparison of any sorts to previous snapshots. It just gets downloaded and stored. |
| 18:08:27 | <@JAA> | Which means there might be a lot of duplication in the archives, but it appears that's not too much of an issue in general, else we would've been yelled at by now. :-) |
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| 18:32:26 | <pie_> | hmm wellllllllllllllllllll oook |
| 18:32:36 | <pie_> | sorry, lagged a bit :p |
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| 18:39:53 | <pie_> | hm , i havent managed to find that specific version but i did for a commit one before |
| 18:42:17 | <klg> | https://web.archive.org/web/20201014051116/https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/updaters/32/flash_player_sa_linux.x86_64.tar.gz |
| 18:42:20 | <klg> | this one |
| 18:50:38 | <pie_> | klg: I tried that but it had the wrong hash |
| 18:50:40 | <pie_> | let me try again |
| 18:50:53 | <pie_> | maybe I forgot to add the _if to the URL and accidentally got the wrong thing or something |
| 18:51:17 | <pie_> | that should indeed be the right file because .445 was a security update released on October 13 and I imagine they would also update this file |
| 18:51:29 | <pie_> | given that the waybackmachine has it archived from Oct 14 it should be the right file indeed |
| 18:52:15 | <pie_> | yeah the hash I get for that is ebc8747ea60b05c8fd049c2e020faf9bb5332bce59d216d2f7b9b5da026848c1 |
| 18:52:49 | <pie_> | I need 5d5f661f663d707da3314e0f66d771623537947bbcaecb18bc61400eff097f1f |
| 18:52:51 | <klg> | weird, I get 5d5f661f663d707da3314e0f66d771623537947bbcaecb18bc61400eff097f1f |
| 18:52:57 | <pie_> | oh |
| 18:53:04 | <pie_> | damn ok let me look into it more |
| 18:53:16 | <pie_> | I appreciate your checking because otherwise I'd still be running in circles :) |
| 18:53:33 | <pie_> | I was starting to look into downloading the whole directory from WM and checking if anything matches the hash xD |
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| 18:54:40 | <pie_> | (with python or something) |
| 18:57:07 | <pie_> | klg: yeah its not working no matter what I do what am I missing... |
| 18:57:20 | <pie_> | wait |
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| 18:58:21 | <pie_> | ugh ok something is getting mixed up between what im looking at in nix-hash --type sha256 and sha256sum |
| 18:58:24 | <pie_> | the outputs are different |
| 18:58:32 | <pie_> | using sha256sum yields the hash i gave |
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| 18:59:20 | <pie_> | weird. i expected round-tripping to work in nix-hash but its probabyl doing something other than what I expected then (which is in a way reasonable, but I dont see through it right now) |
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| 19:01:37 | <klg> | idk about nix, it's sha256sum that gives me the 5d5f...1f |
| 19:03:56 | <@JAA> | pie_: Looking at the documentation of nix-hash (apart from thinking 'why??' because wow that thing is weird), looks like you might need --flat, else it does some recursive stuff. |
| 19:05:11 | <@JAA> | Although maybe I'm misreading that. The docs are very confusing. |
| 19:05:32 | <pie_> | yeah that does do the right thing |
| 19:05:37 | <pie_> | some of the nix tooling is funky |
| 19:05:52 | <pie_> | i should have probably done a better job and read the docs too |
| 19:06:02 | <pie_> | im not very comfortable with that specific subsystem |
| 19:06:55 | <pie_> | now i just need to figure out why adding that to the storage area doesnt satisfy the build script |
| 19:12:09 | <pie_> | ok I got it to work |
| 19:12:33 | <pie_> | i didnt realize i needed to add it while specifying the algorithm expected by the build script, it worked after a little debugging |
| 19:12:38 | <pie_> | thanks again for the help :D |
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