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| 02:30:26 | <Ryz> | thuban, I'm not too sure if you've done anything significant; I haven't really been paying attention to you compared to say Megame when it comes to requests; perhaps JAA or someone else can answer~ oo; |
| 02:36:50 | <thuban> | i'm not quite sure what you mean, sorry |
| 02:44:57 | <Ryz> | Usually being voiced is when you done some form of constant contributing websites or content to ArchiveBot; if the requests are more occasional than frequent, we might not notice you in terms of efforts, as we might view it as occasionally dropping by for requests and maybe focusing on other areas in ArchiveTeam |
| 02:49:16 | <Ryz> | I personally don't know what the other OPped people have set as criteria for new voiced or OPped people, but for me, I would like to see what kind of stuff you'll request, anything maybe more personal or more urgent, and then I try and help filter out stuff whether it's ran in ArchiveBot or have other reasons |
| 02:54:49 | <thuban> | oh, i see. i have focused on other areas in the past (mostly because i worry that making too many requests is bothering people, haha). |
| 02:54:56 | <thuban> | right now i'm trying to stay on top of endangered hong kong media as documented in https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Hong_Kong_media (a lot of sites, at least some of which are definitely urgent); i hope to start covering macau soon as well. there are a handful of other things, but those are definitely the lion's share & most pressing |
| 03:01:57 | <Ryz> | Yeah, I value more urgent ones notably more than personal ones~ |
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| 05:26:24 | <flashfire42> | https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1413890758801858564?s=20 |
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| 11:07:48 | <@OrIdow6> | So lihkg.com, presumably CloudFlare, seems to be doing inspection of the TLS handshake, or whatever it is, which makes automatically getting to it difficult |
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| 11:10:33 | <@OrIdow6> | Since even with a headless browser, (presumably), it observes warcprox's TLS behavior (and similar, e.g. TCP) instead of the browser's |
| 11:11:44 | <@OrIdow6> | Any thoughts on contacting them? In particular arkiver |
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| 11:12:42 | <@OrIdow6> | Risk is that this sounds like it's going to be a more or less political shutdown, so it risks a sort of international Parler |
| 11:14:34 | <@OrIdow6> | Even if we got around the protection (and I've come up with at least 1, albeit maybe tedious, way to maybe do that) a percieved DDoS might be sensitive, since past ones have been done by the Chinese government (https://www.zdnet.com/article/china-resurrects-great-cannon-for-ddos-attacks-on-hong-kong-forum/) |
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| 11:19:48 | <@OrIdow6> | To solve the mystery, my "tedious" way would be to try to bolt Firefox's NSS (which, at least AFAIK, handles its TLS) onto warcprox |
| 11:21:46 | <rewby> | ... That's one way of doing this |
| 11:23:56 | <rewby> | For context, I prototyped up a docker container that's a self-contained package of chrome (with rdp "desktop"), warcprox, webdriver and python code to drive the lot |
| 11:24:22 | <@OrIdow6> | Haha |
| 11:24:34 | <@OrIdow6> | (In response to your first reply) |
| 11:25:39 | <rewby> | I don't 100% know the exact socket backend used by warcprox, but if it supports proxies it might be easiest to chain a second proxy in based on NSS (as a way to make your "tedious" idea work) |
| 11:32:02 | <@OrIdow6> | Problem then would be warc accuracy |
| 11:32:11 | <rewby> | Hm yeah |
| 11:33:06 | <@OrIdow6> | In any case, every time I discuss this my proposals on ti seem to become more and more shadowy |
| 11:33:44 | <@OrIdow6> | If so possible would rather not to any of that |
| 11:46:03 | <rewby> | The main obstacle to archival of them is that they have some sort of (possibly cloudflare based) captcha system |
| 11:50:17 | <rewby> | Or rather, it seems to be |
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| 16:46:10 | <@arkiver> | OrIdow6: on the TLS stuff? |
| 16:46:34 | <@arkiver> | reddit does something similar, wrote a fix for that some weeks ago |
| 16:46:54 | <@arkiver> | OrIdow6: i can check it out tomorrow |
| 16:47:34 | <@arkiver> | do we have any idea when lihkg might go away? |
| 16:48:33 | <@arkiver> | lets create a channel for lihkg |
| 16:49:23 | <@arkiver> | thanks flashfire42 |
| 16:50:38 | <@arkiver> | for anyone speaking chinese - have an idea on a good channel name for lihkg? (ping nuroten if you read the logs) |
| 16:53:48 | <@arkiver> | 2.6 million IDs is not too bad, should be doable. |
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| 17:29:00 | <Ryz> | Hmm, with people moving from World or Warcraft to Final Fantasy XIV (Final Fantasy 14) - there's a possibility of World of Warcraft fansites starting to decay~ |
| 17:29:15 | <Ryz> | https://clutchpoints.com/asmongold-hordes-of-world-of-warcraft-players-into-final-fantasy-xiv/ |
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| 17:45:57 | <nuroten> | arkiver: no good ideas for lihkg channel name. the Chinese characters possibly come from 連 (pronounced roughly like "lean"), as in to link, and 登 (pronounced like "dung"), as in to log on |
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| 17:48:23 | <nuroten> | (Cantonese pronunciation - lin4 dang1) abcde may have some witty ideas. I'm half tempted to suggest something silly like #hkisbeautiful |
| 17:50:17 | <nuroten> | (it's a reference to a bottled water ad campaign featuring the hashtag #HongKongisBeautiful that got pulled from the shelves suddenly without explanation) |
| 17:51:23 | <nuroten> | but that might be for hk media-related things in general, not just lihkg |
| 17:53:58 | <alligatorwage> | there is a list here of hk youtube channels that are aligned with pro-democracy movement. i'd recommend backing up the [1] 抗爭 (protests/protest groups), [2] 議員 (politicians), 「3」時事 （politics and current events), [4]電台 (online radio shows and political / newscommentary), and (5)直播 (live streams of protests, newsworthy |
| 17:53:58 | <alligatorwage> | events, etc) first. |
| 17:53:59 | <alligatorwage> | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ncxe8ngEVQcis1_oSbidcxN0XNGUd-MTRC7D-YxrpTo/edit |
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| 18:15:01 | <nuroten> | thanks alligatorwage (if you're reading this) |
| 18:34:01 | <nuroten> | my bad, hong kong is *very* beautiful :) https://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news/section/4/231357/Watson%27s-water-sloshes-over-buzzwords for the new channel, "tyundang"? a partly nonsensical pun about the lights (written in another character but pronounced the same way) being "cut" |
| 18:38:18 | <nuroten> | if likhg is lindang, where "lin" is to link or connect, "tyun" means to cut or interrupt, e.g. "tyun din" (斷電) is a power cut |
| 18:47:35 | <nuroten> | lihkg that is ... people don't commonly say "tyun dang" in conversation, though I heard it once in some kind of notification in a youtube video. anyway, I don't have a better pun for the English name that doesn't sound like a curse |
| 19:01:21 | <duce1337> | is there ogrish.com archives? |
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| 20:34:42 | <thuban> | glad to hear we've got movement on likhg <3 |
| 20:34:54 | <thuban> | i will have a look at the youtube channels alligatorwage linked. looks like the recommended categories are #gid=2054106654, #gid=687901783, #gid=268430318, #gid=76773534, and #gid=977707103 in that order (and the counts given are of subscribers). |
| 20:35:18 | <nuroten> | thuban: I'm going through the spreadsheets, got radio section cross-checked, doing politicians |
| 20:36:52 | <thuban> | ah, i see where you've added them in the etherpad |
| 20:36:55 | <nuroten> | the sheet "protest / protest groups" not sure if it is priority to save. the largest section is the "politics and current events" one, though it has some overlap with the wiki page already |
| 20:37:25 | <nuroten> | I haven't checked the "livestream" sheet yet |
| 20:37:54 | <thuban> | seems pretty important to me? i can get started on that one |
| 20:38:45 | <thuban> | i was also going to suggest checking for associated websites, social media, etc but i see you are already doing that as well :') |
| 20:39:11 | <nuroten> | XD |
| 20:40:35 | <nuroten> | I would agree regarding "protest / protest groups" but a bit confused by the contents |
| 20:41:00 | <thuban> | oh? why? |
| 20:41:45 | <nuroten> | never mind, I got flipped to the comments section, oops |
| 20:42:13 | <nuroten> | shall we split it up? which section are you looking through first? |
| 20:43:36 | <nuroten> | oh okay |
| 20:44:14 | <thuban> | hm... actually, i think i'm going to take a couple of hours to run some errands, so if you work on whatever you'd like i'll start on whatever's left when i get back |
| 20:47:49 | <nuroten> | cool |
| 20:58:41 | <@JAA> | pabs: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/ is running through ArchiveBot now. |
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| 21:17:49 | <abcde> | Is there a channel for lihkg? |
| 21:18:48 | <nuroten> | abcde: arkiver is taking name suggestions. I was going to suggest sikdang (熄燈) as a play on the homophone, maybe you have better ideas |
| 21:19:19 | <abcde> | that works! |
| 21:20:48 | <nuroten> | :) |
| 21:22:24 | <nuroten> | arkiver: let us know if there's anything else you need to open up a channel for lihkg, thanks |
| 21:24:22 | <nuroten> | abcde: not sure if you saw, alligatorwage posted a spreadsheet link, thuban and I are going through some of the categories to add youtube channels we haven't picked up yet |
| 21:27:26 | <nuroten> | arkiver: sorry, I should mention "sik dang" means informally "to turn off the lights" |
| 21:27:56 | <@JAA> | Nice, I like it. |
| 21:28:48 | <abcde> | @nuroten |
| 21:28:52 | <abcde> | Very nice. |
| 21:28:58 | <@JAA> | #sikdang created. |
| 21:29:20 | <nuroten> | JAA: great, thanks! |
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| 23:20:37 | <pabs> | great thanks JAA |
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