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| 00:36:55 | <EdSavoie> | heyo |
| 00:37:04 | <EdSavoie> | So, The guys who made Enjin have been neglecting the CMS for some time in favour of their new crypto currency |
| 00:38:58 | <EdSavoie> | but recently it's starting realllly going downhill. Modules, email verifications, and all sorts of other things have started breaking down, they silently PULLED their mobile apps from all storefronts without warning, and their support tickets are completely non-responsive. |
| 00:40:38 | <EdSavoie> | Given that enjin sites are hosted on *their* servers, there's obviously quite a bit of concern that all of these communities, and the content contained with them could go poof at any time |
| 00:45:28 | <EdSavoie> | Communities have also been mysteriously given a free upgrade to the enjin "ultimate" plan, again, without any announcement or notice of any kind |
| 00:49:05 | <Jake> | Hello, thanks for this. I'll try and get it added to the Deathwatch page and see if we can look into this soon! |
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| 01:03:49 | <pcr> | Enjin has 20 million users and over 300,000 sites, so that'll be a large grab |
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| 01:08:15 | <EdSavoie> | sadly, depending on the site, a fair bit of pages and content are hidden behind a "join this community" button, which much like their email backend, is wildly flaky |
| 01:11:11 | <pcr> | Clicking around and not getting any resistance to staying logged out, where are you getting the button? |
| 01:12:26 | <EdSavoie> | it's community specific, but the default behavior for subforums and posts you can't see without joining the community *is to not show them* |
| 01:16:22 | <EdSavoie> | i should point out, enjin has a few different states a user can be in. Obviously there's your regular logged in / logged out, but there's also a state for being logged into your enjin account, but not actually a member of the community you are viewing |
| 01:19:30 | <@OrIdow6> | On the Japan thing: Not that I know of |
| 01:28:45 | <@OrIdow6> | EdSavoie: At what time have these warning signs happened? To me both "a while ago" and "yesterday" would suggest the same level of urgency for different reasons, but it would help for context |
| 01:36:30 | <EdSavoie> | The most recent warning sign seems late yesterday, when people starting reporting the free upgrade to Ultimate |
| 01:39:23 | <EdSavoie> | Mid April was probably when things started going wonky with modules starting to break, but within the last week or so, things have gotten worse in terms of emails not going through |
| 01:41:26 | <pcr> | From what I'm reading on the forums, apparently some of the modules haven't been updated from flash which isn't a good sign. |
| 01:41:32 | <@OrIdow6> | Hm |
| 01:44:56 | <@OrIdow6> | Famous last words, it looks fairly simple |
| 01:48:21 | <EdSavoie> | Their official accounts are also all silent on anything to do with their forum platform. Even the support outages are only about the crypto stuff. Humorously, their official enjinstatus dot com page times out. |
| 01:48:53 | <pcr> | The free upgrades started being handed out back in April |
| 01:50:35 | <@OrIdow6> | arkiver: I will try to do the above by Friday, or maybe before if I can manage, unless you want to |
| 01:54:17 | <EdSavoie> | I started digging into all of this on behalf of a community i'm in that still uses their enjin for more formal tasks, we're going to try to open a ticket to request a database dump, seeing as that's the only form of official export mechanism they seem to have ever entertained. I'm skeptical, but at least it'll determine if the support team even has |
| 01:54:17 | <EdSavoie> | a pulse |
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| 02:19:04 | <@OrIdow6> | Sounds good |
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| 13:06:19 | <@arkiver> | EdSavoie: hi, do the users have pages? |
| 13:06:47 | <@arkiver> | EdSavoie: you're talking about communities here right https://www.enjin.com/communities |
| 13:09:22 | <Jake> | I think those are what we are talking about |
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| 18:45:15 | <@arkiver> | lets create a channel for enjin |
| 18:45:17 | <@arkiver> | any ideas? |
| 18:46:25 | <asie> | #enjank |
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| 18:56:10 | <@OrIdow6> | #horz |
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| 19:00:06 | <@JAA> | enjout |
| 19:00:24 | <Ryz> | Heya folks, can http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/ be archived? It doesn't look like it'll grab the video files through ArchiveBot; reason why I ask this is because the website is going to be revamped - as the message first appeared on 2021 April as per https://web.archive.org/web/20210405121945/http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/ |
| 19:00:41 | <Ryz> | The forums are down unfortunately but the videos are still present |
| 19:03:46 | <@JAA> | Ew, JS hell. That would need a lot of work. |
| 19:05:09 | <Ryz> | At least it's not behind Adobe Flash anymore but yeah s: |
| 19:05:51 | <Ryz> | An example of a video file is http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/v/amalgamated-bank-monster-thur-10-13-1977-5pm-to-530pm.mp4 which came from http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/#videoclip-4948 |
| 19:10:11 | <@EggplantN> | #enjinx |
| 19:10:18 | <@arkiver> | Ryz: guesses on size? |
| 19:10:27 | <@EggplantN> | or enjinxed |
| 19:10:50 | <@arkiver> | enjinxed is nice |
| 19:10:53 | <@arkiver> | #enjinxed |
| 19:10:58 | <Ryz> | arkiver, let's see, there's 4,736 entries in http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/ - |
| 19:12:07 | <Ryz> | Checking the video file of http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/v/amalgamated-bank-monster-thur-10-13-1977-5pm-to-530pm.mp4 - that's around 60 MiB (or '57.6 MB') |
| 19:12:14 | <Ryz> | That's a 10 second video though... |
| 19:12:17 | <@arkiver> | so not big |
| 19:12:20 | <@arkiver> | ah |
| 19:12:23 | <@arkiver> | okey maybe big |
| 19:12:40 | <@JAA> | Maybe a TB or so? |
| 19:13:01 | <@arkiver> | waa thinking that, then read 60 MB is 10 seconds |
| 19:13:05 | <@arkiver> | but yeah likely not too big |
| 19:13:25 | <Ryz> | So assuming that's the baseline, 4,736 entries x '60 MB' is 284160 MB |
| 19:13:34 | <@EggplantN> | yeah should be sub TB then |
| 19:14:15 | <thuban> | extracting video urls themselves is pretty trivial, but there's metadata (description, viewer comments, etc) and getting working wbm playback would no doubt be finicky |
| 19:14:16 | <Ryz> | There's also odd non-video files like http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/sound/WGN-Movie-Greats-Marty-Gold-And-His-Orchestra-A-Heart-Must-Learn-to-Cry-(Theme-from-36-Hours).mp3 - which came from the "Most Recent Site Comments" section |
| 19:14:35 | <@EggplantN> | its hosted on shared hosting from what I can tell, so theres no way its more than a TB if the laws of common sense exists |
| 19:14:37 | <@EggplantN> | root@at-rsync3:/data# host www.fuzzymemories.tv |
| 19:14:37 | <@EggplantN> | www.fuzzymemories.tv has address 69.163.224.92 |
| 19:14:37 | <@EggplantN> | root@at-rsync3:/data# host 69.163.224.92 |
| 19:14:37 | <@EggplantN> | 92.224.163.69.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer apache2-argon.fungus.dreamhost.com. |
| 19:14:37 | <@EggplantN> | root@at-rsync3:/data# |
| 19:16:45 | <Ryz> | Another sampling, http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/#videoclip-4947 - http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/v/amalgamated-bank-monster-thur-10-13-1977-5pm-to-530pm.mp4 - 30 seconds - it's '43.3 MB' - so maybe 40-60 MB per entry? |
| 19:21:25 | <Ryz> | The lower end could probably be 4,736 entries x '40 MB" = 189,440 MB |
| 19:23:19 | <@JAA> | Oh nice, there's a Math.random() in the XHR URLs. |
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| 19:25:13 | <@JAA> | Chances are this won't work in the WBM anyway. |
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| 19:42:22 | <Ryz> | Mmm :c |
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| 20:52:29 | <EdSavoie> | arkiver: Sorry for the delay, yeah i'm talking about communities primarily. Users do have public walls though. |
| 20:54:28 | <@arkiver> | EdSavoie: we moved to #enjinxed |
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| 22:30:16 | <@OrIdow6> | That TV thing sounds like they could be batch-uploaded as normal IA items |
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| 22:51:24 | <TheTechRobo> | Hey, did anyone archive Everyplay perchance? |
| 22:51:46 | <TheTechRobo> | Had a lot of Geometry Dash stuff before it was shut down, I myself posted a lot of stuff on there and everything got deleted in 2018 |
| 22:58:57 | <@JAA> | TheTechRobo: No mention of it in my logs before July 2019. |
| 22:59:41 | <TheTechRobo> | Ah, that sucks. Gotta love (hate) when companies delete random stuff for NO GOOD REASON except it's not as popular as YouTube |
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